Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land
Abookamongstthemany
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If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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What's your opinion of it?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Sorry Abook, I know you're a woman who cares, but you're much more convincing when you direct your concerns with what's happening here at home.
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I could re-write. It just came out that way in the moment. First draft.
Q: What does "middle-minded" mean?
A: I was thinking of that time period in history when America was peachy-keen, and the dewy-eyed teens that grew up in that period were later to bring their teen-aged sensiblitlies with them to the present. It was a time in America when anything was possible for anyone and it just happened to also be a time of supreme social ignorance through the pure demographic of baby-boomers and old-school tradition. Elvis, et al, was the shit, they thought, so was Kennedy later. It was divinity. It was "rebellion, youth, and truth".
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A: Dylan was singing "I like Fidel Castro" while JFK was trying to kill Castro. He didn't buy into the Camelot crowd.
Q: Why do you talk to yourself on the board?
A: It amuses me. I find that some people are entertained by it... for their own reasons. I particularly like the readers who think I have a screw loose.
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It brings to light just how biased the media is at covering this conflict. And it explains how important it is for both sides to be told because public opinion often helps shape policy. In this case, it's absolutely dire for people to be informed accurately. It definitely sheds a new perspective on what's actually happening there and shows how the context of the violence that occurs is often misreported.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well, as an educational tool, ok.
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I'm a global citizen, we all are. My heart just breaks when I see or read the amount of suffering and turmoil in these people's lives. This is one of the biggest concerns of our time and you should be paying more attention. Usually on this board, when this issue comes up, it brings with it a bunch of hostility so people often skip over even reading what's been posted. But I see it as a great disservice to these people, who really need our help, to just look the other way just because it's not directly about us and where we live.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
First and foremost, it goes without saying, you're a human being. That game has been played, though. If you've read American history you might know of an interesting little factoid learned during the the white conquest of the indigenous people here. Their tribal names all translate into "the human beings". Whether you be Sioux or CHerokee or Blackfoot or Apache... "Manifest Destiny" defeated the "Human Beings" is one way to look at it.
So, yes, you are doing an educational service with what you post, but the implication I think you are providing as well is as old as the hills themselves: Us vs. Them.
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Now you did it.
Q: What did I do?
A: You fucking confused the readers.
Q: I suppose I did in a way. I know you understand what I'm saying.
A: Yes, I understand. Maybe I should try this in another way?
Q: You're asking me?
A: Alright, let me put it this way, I think it comes down to "Wholeness".
Q: Oh christ, another one of those.
A: No, really, think about it, "being" is really a fleeting thing. It is.
Q: I hope you're not going to ask that crap about "how do you know you're you behind your own eyes?'" again.
A: No. Not that. It's kind of like that. Of course as you already know I have a leg up on Time.
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Night divides the day;
Tried to run
Tried to hide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
We chased our pleasures here
Dug our treasures there,
Can you still recall
The time we cried?
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Everybody loves my baby
Everybody loves my baby
She gets, she gets
She gets, she gets...high
I found an island in your arms
A country in your eyes
Arms that chain,
Eyes that lie
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Made the scene from week to week
Day to day, hour to hour
The gate is straight
Deep and wide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through...
-jim morrison, the doors
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33,713 members on this board and you are the only one who continually talks to himself.
You're my favorite dissenter. The fact that you could make the grade to "dissent" is a testament to my work.
I am a believer, and you're a believer, too, and we're gonna ride this horse together, motherfucker, whether you like it or not.
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and how can I forget. you also take the prize for most incoherent posts. you remind me of Dino minus all the typos
You remind me of Dino.
I've always been drawn to the unfortunate kind.
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so now your comebacks have come to repeating what I say. whats next the sticks and stones rhyme ?
take a break from the train buddy, you bring nothing to the table
You are my pupil. I am your teacher. Learn.
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Sure this conflict started what, 50 yr ago, when Israel was declared an independent nation by the UN, without evicting any Palestinians Forgettign that it was largely the survivors of teh NAzi efforts, the Arab nations promptly vowed to annihalate the infant state. Fortunately, they weren't really geared up for it and Israel survived, but in the process used som propaganda about having nukes etc. In the midst of this unnecessary shitfight, teh PAlestinian refugee crisis was born. The rich Arab nations allowed it to persisit and fester, cos it suited them as a weapon against Israel. At any time, there has been enough wealth in the Arab nations to solve this problem. There are probably any number of singel individuals with enought wealth to fix this. Anyone else ever think that the mal-distribution of wealth in those countries might be at the core of the hate and violence that gets directed our way ???
Even today, there is so much attention paid by both sides to the past, and bugger all to the future. Both sides continue to do stupid things, while the violence is driven by anti-socially disorderd individuals who in another society would just become ordinary criminals or druggies or serial killers. Over there they become martyrs, but the violence is the same. While both sides continute to reward violent acts with attention and retaliation, they will not cease, and the "peace process" will falter.
We can't actually solve this problem, only they can.
They need to stop worrying about what is right, and start thinking about what is HELPFUL.
I agree with this, mostly. I also think both sides are at fault and hindering the peace process. I posted this in part because this side of the story is hardly mentioned in our media, if at all and also, there's a lot of people on this board that seem to think the Palestinian's deserve this treatment they receive from Israel and that Israel is some innocent victim here who needs our protection. The amount of aggression placed on the Palestinian people is ridiculous, sickening and inhumane. They are treated like some sub-human species that should be dealt with like you would discard a pest infestation. I think our government should be playing no part in the further aiding and supplying of Israel to destroy any more than it already has.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I like you. You are unique. Keep up doin' what ya doin'. Screw the man !
Who was the us and who was the them in this implication?
I meant that people usually are pro-palestine or pro-isreal. I agree with Abook about America getting it's military funds out of Israel...in fact, if anything, America should be ignoring that region altogether. Out of the middle east forever. There's nothing there for us.
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