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The Democrats Betrayal

AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9rI8f7N3LE
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    I like Keith Olbermann... The Republicrats are a bunch of tools.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9rI8f7N3LE
    ...
    Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same soiled cloth... politicians. All they want is to keep their jobs... and as long as there are mindless voters who automatically check the (R) or (D) box... simply because there is an (R) or a (D) next to their name, nothing is going to change.
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  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same soiled cloth... politicians. All they want is to keep their jobs... and as long as there are mindless voters who automatically check the (R) or (D) box... simply because there is an (R) or a (D) next to their name, nothing is going to change.
    As long as a party only needs to get a plurality to win, we're only ever going to have two parties. The names "Republican" and "Democrat" don't mean anything, and we'd have the same problem if we replaced them with "Libertarian" and "Green." What we will never have, however, are Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and Greens all sharing in the same Congress under defined party goals. For that, we may need to switch to a parliamentary system. Or something else entirely.


    Edit: My bad. Not parliamentary, but rather proportional representation.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    RainDog wrote:
    As long as a party only needs to get a plurality to win, we're only ever going to have two parties. The names "Republican" and "Democrat" don't mean anything, and we'd have the same problem if we replaced them with "Libertarian" and "Green." What we will never have, however, are Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and Greens all sharing in the same Congress under defined party goals. For that, we may need to switch to a parliamentary system. Or something else entirely.


    Edit: My bad. Not parliamentary, but rather proportional representation.


    Something's gotta change...this system is shit.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Milhouse VanHoutenMilhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    RainDog wrote:
    For that, we may need to switch to a parliamentary system. Or something else entirely.


    Edit: My bad. Not parliamentary, but rather proportional representation.

    Actually, we'd be able to haul the president's ass in front of the senate and take a formal vote of no confidence under a parlimentary system. That'd be neat to see.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    George Bush is a national embarrassment on a global scale
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same soiled cloth... politicians. All they want is to keep their jobs... and as long as there are mindless voters who automatically check the (R) or (D) box... simply because there is an (R) or a (D) next to their name, nothing is going to change.

    agree with you on the first point, but STRONGLY disagree with you on the second....

    Republicans and Democrats, ie elected officials don't give a damned about anything but their own power, re-election is their only goal.

    but voters aren't the one's who are mindless...the key is voters vs. the electorate...half of the people don't know what's going on...you can't lump them in with voters...

    as far as voters go...the majority of them are ideologues...right wing whack jobs like me...and bloggosphere kooks like many of my leftist friends here :) we aren't mindless...in fact, those people who are most ideological are the most informed...(as i side note, it's kind of noteworthy that both sides choose the most outrageous statements made by the most uniformed of the other side and project that as the mainstream (i.e. liberals hate america, conservatives love torture) so as to avoid substantive debate.) we have strong beliefs, but can only vote for the choices presented to us....and the one thing we can agree on...is that the choices we have suck.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Something's gotta change...this system is shit.


    well, it needs improvement, but no other civilization in the history of the planet has empowered the individual to the extent our system has...so i think the word "shit" is a little harsh.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    well, it needs improvement, but no other civilization in the history of the planet has empowered the individual to the extent our system has...so i think the word "shit" is a little harsh.


    SHIT.



    :D
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    SHIT.



    :D


    POOP

    (one of the funniest words of all time btw :) )
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    POOP

    (one of the funniest words of all time btw :) )

    See...you're coming along nicely. :p
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    See...you're coming along nicely. :p


    so on a scale of one to ten, where one is fecal matter, 5 is doodie, and 10 is shit, how would you rank our electoral system?

    yeah, i'll choose 7, poop!

    wow, that was the weirdest post i've ever made
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    so on a scale of one to ten, where one is fecal matter, 5 is doodie, and 10 is shit, how would you rank our electoral system?

    yeah, i'll choose 7, poop!

    wow, that was the weirdest post i've ever made

    SHIT.


    and why does our electoral system have to be measured with fecal matter? No matter what...it's still shit.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    SHIT.


    and why does our electoral system have to be measured with fecal matter? No matter what...it's still shit.


    b/c democracy (representative republic, whatever) is the worst form of government, except all the others!

    why i think shit is too powerful of a condemnation....ultimately, right now, as it stands here today, the status of the majority party has little bearing on how an individual chooses to pursue their (sorry...gonna go john locke on you) destiny. that's my point, no other political / economic system in the history of the world measures up to that...not to say there can't be, or should be, improvements, particularly with the corruption of the elites, regardless of party.

    i think i just talked myself down to doodie :)

    i know term limits isn't the long-term answer...but politics shouldn't be a career...i'm not sure how to change that.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    b/c democracy (representative republic, whatever) is the worst form of government, except all the others!


    Why do people always seem to sell themselves short? Even if this is the best system (highly debatable) out there...if it's not good, then why not try to come up with something new and better?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Why do people always seem to sell themselves short? Even if this is the best system (highly debatable) out there...if it's not good, then why not try to come up with something new and better?

    i'm not sure why people sell themselves short...human nature?

    i don't have as much of a problem with our system as we do with the people in our system...i think we basically need some sort of incentive system in place that makes it unattractive for people to seek public office, yet have people capable of solving problems serving in government. it's not that we sell ourselves short...that's a hard problem to solve!
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    RainDog wrote:
    As long as a party only needs to get a plurality to win, we're only ever going to have two parties. The names "Republican" and "Democrat" don't mean anything, and we'd have the same problem if we replaced them with "Libertarian" and "Green." What we will never have, however, are Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and Greens all sharing in the same Congress under defined party goals. For that, we may need to switch to a parliamentary system. Or something else entirely.


    Edit: My bad. Not parliamentary, but rather proportional representation.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
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