The government should FORCE all employers to pay a living wage
darthvedder81
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Every single person in this country who works 40hr's a week should receive a living wage (at least $20 an hour) no matter what job they do. They also should receive full healthcare no co-pay and pensions. Any employer who doesn't provide this should be shut down.
So this life is sacrifice...
6/30/98 Minneapolis, 10/8/00 East Troy (Brrrr!), 6/16/03 St. Paul, 6/27/06 St. Paul
6/30/98 Minneapolis, 10/8/00 East Troy (Brrrr!), 6/16/03 St. Paul, 6/27/06 St. Paul
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you forgot tickets to every PJ show in the us ......for every household...
Why stop at $20 an hour? Everyone should get paid $100 and hour. They'd be much more comfortable wouldnt' they? Aren't you short changing them at $20 an hour?
And why stop at healthcare and pensions. I think they should have housing and food provided for them as well. And throw in some movie bucks, so they can take the family out once in a while.
And let's not just shut down the employers who can't provide that. I say the government should execute them.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/62-knowing-whats-best-for-poor-people/
"Stuff White People Like"
#62 - Knowing what’s best for poor people
February 10, 2008 by clander
White people spend a lot of time of worrying about poor people. It takes up a pretty significant portion of their day.
They feel guilty and sad that poor people shop at Wal*Mart instead of Whole Foods, that they vote Republican instead of Democratic, that they go to Community College/get a job instead of studying art at a University.
It is a poorly guarded secret that, deep down, white people believe if given money and education that all poor people would be EXACTLY like them. In fact, the only reason that poor people make the choices they do is because they have not been given the means to make the right choices and care about the right things.
A great way to make white people feel good is to tell them about situations where poor people changed how they were doing things because they were given the ‘whiter’ option. “Back in my old town, people used to shop at Wal*Mart and then this non-profit organization came in and set up a special farmers co-op so that we could buy more local produce, and within two weeks the Wal*Mart shut down and we elected our first Democratic representative in 40 years.” White people will first ask which non-profit and are they hiring? After that, they will be filled with euphoria and will invite you to more parties to tell this story to their friends, so that they can feel great.
But it is ESSENTIAL that you reassert that poor people do not make decisions based on free will. That news could crush white people and their hope for the future.
How many workers do you think these employers would have to then FIRE to provide "fair" or "living" wages to the remaining employees?
Do you think they would really take the hit from their own pockets?
And once they fire your coworkers to help pay you more, how much extra work do you think you will end up having to do to make the difference?
Will that make you more happy?
And what about all the people who get fired?
Should the government be forced to provide them all "living wage" unemployment income, insurance, & benefits?
For how long?
Who will pay for that?
Will you also take a tax increase to help offset the further deficit required to fund the FICA accounts?
If the layoffs affect business outputs and the economy suffers accordingly, should we then spend more tax dollars on bailouts?
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great idea.
bad reality.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Plus it totally shafts young people with no experience. I mean pretty much everywhere you go there is some level of unemployment so there is demand for jobs. So if I am an employer what incentive is there for me to hire the young person with 0 experience if I have to pay him $20 an hour when for the same price I can hire someone with much more experience. It would be like saying every car sold had to be priced at $20,000. Why would anyone buy a ford focus when for the same price they could get a Benz.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Very good points you raise, my friend. The quality of life for those going from $7/hr to $20/hr won't really improve, since the cost of living will increase, and a large percentage of these workers won't have jobs anymore.
Sure, wages are tripling, but, at the end of the day, the unskilled worker will suffer the most.
Anytime you try to redistribute the wealth, there is always an economic hangover.
Are you mentioning this as a feasible idea, or, are you just expressing hope?
If you truly want this to happen then join me in voting McKinney/Ferrraro '08. They will take us to Utopia.
the gov't has convinced the citizens to turn their back on each other rather than their masters.. so the responses you are going to get are the result of generations of slave minded rhetoric... as if they think they are working together when in actuality... every day they are selling themselves out
so the negativity you receive shouldnt be taken seriously... its the result of liberties being taken away from the massses... they no longer can think for themselves
how much money is that? If we need more money we can always just print more. Whats the big deal? its just paper.
inflation you say? Whats that? nevermind that.
tips at restaurants should also be raised to 100% of the check.
No - the government should force people to lower their standard of living.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
just a question, but.. what is your definition of an unskilled worker?
eventually everyone will be forced to grow up and realize their parents put them in a system that buys time for them only to be irresponsible.
while the rest of us pay.
its either now or later...
I'm liking this website more and more everyday
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I like the photo on the article's site!
someone with very little training or experience, whose job does requires very few qualifications.
P.S. I like the idea about free movie passes! And forget the government paying for your food, that's not good enough! What about people who can't cook? We need a Department of Catering dammit! Of course the only people who should be taxed would be the filthy rich (i.e. anyone making more than $20 an hour). Those bastards should pay for our misery and lack of HDTV's!!
6/30/98 Minneapolis, 10/8/00 East Troy (Brrrr!), 6/16/03 St. Paul, 6/27/06 St. Paul
Indeed. They have earned it. I mean they do so many things well and are so frugal and efficient with our tax dollars. It's hard not to speak of our government with out weeping for joy.
6/30/98 Minneapolis, 10/8/00 East Troy (Brrrr!), 6/16/03 St. Paul, 6/27/06 St. Paul
LOL, I took the bait. But the problem is, you did find at least one disciple who was ready to follow you and encourage you. I'm sure there are many more here who would support your first post. Anywhere else I would have immediately taken it for sarcasm, but here in this forum there's always someone.
The other problem is a typical person working a full time 40 hour a week job is probably already making decent money, or is at least happy with where they are. The people struggling are those who have to work 2 or more part time jobs like retail positions where they get like 12-20 hours a week each. How would this help those people?
Exactly. If people would just lower their standard of living and not worry about feeding and clothing their fucking kids and shit, they'd be just fine.
Seriously, no one is suggesting the government, provide 50 inch plasmas and shit like that. I'll say it again. No one who works, in the United States of America, should be poor. Its embarassing.
Maybe if the middle class would agree to a huge pay-cut, then there would be less poor people. However, when people realize they won't be poor, even if they don't go to college or learn a skill, there is less motivation to excel.
If corporations and employers were forced to pay a higher wage, do you think they would stay in business? Once their profits shrank, they'd close up shop, and thus, there'd be less jobs available.
As she slams the door in his drunken face
And now he stands outside
And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
And his tears fall and burn the garden green
Things are not that black and white. There is middle ground which has enough room for companies to make a good profit and employees to earn enough income without having to look for assistance elsewhere to simply survive. This is all very possible. Whether or not you agree it should be done is one thing but to act like the idea is absurd is also absurd. Giving $20/hr isn't the same as giving $100/hr.
The cost of a thing is the amount of what I call life which is required to be exchanged for it, immediately or in the long run.
~Henry David Thoreau
So in this quote we can use... the cost of 'labor' = 'the amount of life required to perform the labor in exchange for wages'
I'm not comfortable with saying the cost companies incur from a person's wages (which comes at the exchange of a substantial portion of one's own LIFE) should be the least amount possible while maintaining such large profit margins for themselves (which are always rationalized as the biggest focus a company shoud have) because then the market decides the value of human life. The market has no humanity because compassion is not sold and makes no profit. Profit drives the market and humanity is of little concern. We see this more and more here at home and it's rampant in 3rd world countries. There IS room to offer a living wage without being ridiculous about it and still making a profit.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If the minimum wage was $20/hour, and you made $30/hour, would you be willing to take a pay-cut to $25/hr, so that the corp AND the higher-paid employees both made sacrifices so that the lower earner could benefit?