Pearl Jam Fans Are Hypocrites!
freedomboy
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With Pearl Jam going back on tour in a month or so, how will you be ensuring that you produce as little waste as possible on your journey? How is this going to help in the grander scheme of things? Will actions like this save us from ourselves?
P.S. The title was just to get you to read these questions. Please reply.
In Solidarity,
Dave
P.S. The title was just to get you to read these questions. Please reply.
In Solidarity,
Dave
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If it is at Red Rocks everyone will be forced to drive in car there. Some will get there in a bus but your talking one of the worst city / suburb set ups in the whole US. Not an easy drive
If PJ plays the Pepsi center the best most people can do is take light rail but since the light rail is far from were the majority of the population is located. And the bus service in the evening might as well not exist it so bad, people will end up driving to a light rail station or to directly to the stadium.
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why do I care what you ask? you're broken? just kidding, nice questions to ask.
I'm a mess with this at the moment, flying about 30k miles a year with work, the rest of my footprint is small. but overall it sucks 13 tons a year...I know, bad beachie...I did pay $148 in carbon offset last year to offset my 13 tons, but honestly, I'm not completely sure that makes a difference yet. It went to wind energy.
I'll do the same this year, cause I love my job, and don't plan on leaving it.
I'm flying to DC from San Jose, CA for that PJ show. It'll be figured into my footprint for 2008 and offset.
so thats what I do.
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A true narcissist; congrats.
I have a new question for you then. How is it that you are a fan of Pearl Jam, if you don't agree with their ideas, their stage antics, or much of their lyrics for that matter? Maybe I am making a straw man out of you. If so, just answer the one's that apply.
well, actually, PJ didnt really get political in their music until Binaural, with rare exceptions like Glorified G, and i can generally tolerate most of Ed's drunken rants.
Its kind of narcissistic to think that just by switching to a more efficient car I will solve global warming. Won't fix it, sorry. Its pointless when the world population is still exploding.
By not travelling to the east coast for any of the shows.
It will help not at all in the grand scheme, since those flights will still probably be full, and the shows sold out.
Save us from ourselves? I believe we play a relatively small role in climate change so this is impossible to answer.
If you do that math, that's 6 hours of me not polluting the air my car. But then I'll drive to Hartford and Boston so much for the 6 hour savings.
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But why can't you understand that you can still like their music, without having to 'agree' with all their ideas and their stage antics. It's called being a fan, not a disciple.
This is the sort of mentality you see by some posters on the 'the porch'. That's why i rarely post there. They don't understand that you can still be a massive supporter of pearl jams music, even if you don't agree with everything they hold close to their heart. Say anything, and you get called out with 'you are not a true fan'. It's so retarded.
On your logic, because apparently the band supports Obama, we should all vote for him right? And we should all support the WM3, and so on and so on.
So no one should ever travel? Or drive more than a short distance? We can't stop living and enjoying things like Pearl Jam concerts. I think the greater question is what do Pearl Jam fans do in their everyday lives to produce as little waste as possible.
Myself, I drive a Hybrid. I recycle. I carpool when possible. I turn off lights when I leave a room and I buy energy saving appliances. I try to do whatever I can to do my part. I think it's hypocritical when PJ fans talk about conservation and then don't live anywhere close to the standard that they're preaching. But going to a few concerts...not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.
So, it's a chance to see Pearl Jam and to see if NYC is a good fit for me. If things work out with NYC, I will be moving to a city with a better transportation system and smaller living space per person place (ergo smaller overall eco-footprint). Plus, if I plan things right, I can do my traveling to places closer to Seattle before moving to NYC first, then travel to places closer to NYC. In addition, Pearl Jam seems to tour the east coast more often than the west, so if I relocate to NYC (based on my experiences from this initially seemingly wasteful trip), I will reduce my future footprint dramatically.
Here's to hoping this trip to NYC is a smashing ecological success. Cheers!
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Pearl Jam has been political since the very beginning. Either way, I don't care why you like Pearl Jam, it's all good
It's not pointless at all. A lot of today's problem stem from our oil addiction. If the people all show that they want change, away from oil, big companies will see that trend and see a way to make money and they'll invest in alternative resources.
Also, I don't understand why more people wouldn't switch the a less polluting car. More polluting is actually more CO2 emissions, which means you use more oil, which means you pay more money. So a more energy-efficient car saves you money (definitely in the long run) and it helps the bigger problem too.
So I disagree with you, I'd say it definitely has a point but you're right it'll take more than that alone...
I just hope people can look farther than their comfortable surroundings and see that things won't be "good" forever.
"the beautiful world as we know it is definitely at risk" (Guru)
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Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
GO eat at the Quay!
and save the planet.
Then stand back after the show and watch Eddie wave to you from the window of that huge tour bus that he rides in.
Oh,but it probably burns biofuel.
is that exactly what I thought I read?"
How I choose to feel,...Is how I am.
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Exactly. And some people try to buy their way out of their hypocracy with carbon offsets. Sort of like Catholics who sin and then get absolution from their priest by saying 10 hail marys. If that works for your conscience, cool.
That makes me the most comfortable and it is the truth.
There are bigger problems and greater dangers to this country than how I get to a concert.
Shouldn't we be concerned about our output... maybe for the sake of the little kids and their future kids, instead of a Rock Band?
People do what they can... I do what I can (recycle, cut energy usage, eliminate unnecessary driving, etc...) because it is a sound policy to adopt. If you sit with your car's engine idling while you wait for your Big Mac in the drive thru line all the time... but, decide to carpool to the next Pearl Jam show to cut your carbon output... I think you are missing the point.
Hail, Hail!!!
I will be driving as gas efficient of a car as I can get, making sure to carpool.
and as always, I will be offsetting my carbon emmissions through CI
anything else?
oops, just read this.
so, doing the right thing or trying to do the right thing is buying your way out of hypocrisy?
so we should not recycle, not give to charity, not plant a tree, not give someone else the right of way in traffic, not cheat on our wives, not steal etc.? We should in fact, be the worst we can be because it doesn't really matter?
the quoted post goes a long way in understanding the twisted republican mind.
Someone sure jumps to conclusions.
Carbon offsets do nothing.
What are you, a stupid corporate whore or what?
is that exactly what I thought I read?"
How I choose to feel,...Is how I am.
Ha, so that's why you sound so confused all of the time. I'm not a Republican.
And you certainly have read a lot into my post that wasn't there. You've got a fabulously active imagination which I'm sure earned you high marks in creative writing classes in school.
There are plenty of articles coming out from pretty non-biased sources, and even some environmental sources that caution people that carbon offsets aren't all they're cracked up to be. The caution is that people shouldn't rely on them to absolve them of making correct decisions in the first place. And your sentence about "it really doesn't matter" shows that you've completely misunderstood my post, by about 180 degrees. I recycle. I have planted a number of trees on my property. I have never cheated on my wife in 20+ years of marriage, etc... You really need to read for comprehension rather than just knee-jerk based on preconceptions.
And get educated - google "problem with carbon offsets" and you'll see plenty of sources from environment websites.
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