Pearl Jam Fans Are Hypocrites!

freedomboy

With Pearl Jam going back on tour in a month or so, how will you be ensuring that you produce as little waste as possible on your journey? How is this going to help in the grander scheme of things? Will actions like this save us from ourselves?

P.S. The title was just to get you to read these questions. Please reply.

In Solidarity,

Dave

theroachman

The waste it takes to get to a show has a lot to do with how our cities have been set up by city planers awashed in cheap oil. PJ may play here in Denver during the Convention.

If it is at Red Rocks everyone will be forced to drive in car there. Some will get there in a bus but your talking one of the worst city / suburb set ups in the whole US. Not an easy drive

If PJ plays the Pepsi center the best most people can do is take light rail but since the light rail is far from were the majority of the population is located. And the bus service in the evening might as well not exist it so bad, people will end up driving to a light rail station or to directly to the stadium.

beachdweller

brokendave wrote:

With Pearl Jam going back on tour in a month or so, how will you be ensuring that you produce as little waste as possible on your journey? How is this going to help in the grander scheme of things? Will actions like this save us from ourselves?

P.S. The title was just to get you to read these questions. Please reply.

In Solidarity,

Dave

why do I care what you ask? you're broken? just kidding, nice questions to ask.

I'm a mess with this at the moment, flying about 30k miles a year with work, the rest of my footprint is small. but overall it sucks 13 tons a year...I know, bad beachie...I did pay $148 in carbon offset last year to offset my 13 tons, but honestly, I'm not completely sure that makes a difference yet. It went to wind energy.

I'll do the same this year, cause I love my job, and don't plan on leaving it.

I'm flying to DC from San Jose, CA for that PJ show. It'll be figured into my footprint for 2008 and offset.

so thats what I do.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i plan on driving by myself in my gas guzzling Explorer, but since i never really gave a damn, i guess i'm not a hypocrite.

freedomboy

MrSmith wrote:

i plan on driving by myself in my gas guzzling Explorer, but since i never really gave a damn, i guess i'm not a hypocrite.

A true narcissist; congrats.

I have a new question for you then. How is it that you are a fan of Pearl Jam, if you don't agree with their ideas, their stage antics, or much of their lyrics for that matter? Maybe I am making a straw man out of you. If so, just answer the one's that apply.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

brokendave wrote:

A true narcissist; congrats.

I have a new question for you then. How is it that you are a fan of Pearl Jam, if you don't agree with their ideas, their stage antics, or much of their lyrics for that matter? Maybe I am making a straw man out of you. If so, just answer the one's that apply.

well, actually, PJ didnt really get political in their music until Binaural, with rare exceptions like Glorified G, and i can generally tolerate most of Ed's drunken rants.

Its kind of narcissistic to think that just by switching to a more efficient car I will solve global warming. Won't fix it, sorry. Its pointless when the world population is still exploding.

jeffbr

brokendave wrote:

With Pearl Jam going back on tour in a month or so, how will you be ensuring that you produce as little waste as possible on your journey?

By not travelling to the east coast for any of the shows.

brokendave wrote:

How is this going to help in the grander scheme of things?

It will help not at all in the grand scheme, since those flights will still probably be full, and the shows sold out.

brokendave wrote:

Will actions like this save us from ourselves?

Save us from ourselves? I believe we play a relatively small role in climate change so this is impossible to answer.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

oh btw, if anyone wants to buy my Explorer, I'm happy to sell it. Its been a good vehicle until recently and gas sucks. my next car will be much smaller

LONGRD

I'm planning to take the train into and out of NYC during the MGS shows, unless this other carpool plan follows through.

If you do that math, that's 6 hours of me not polluting the air my car. But then I'll drive to Hartford and Boston so much for the 6 hour savings.

LONGRD

MrSmith wrote:

well, actually, PJ didnt really get political in their music until Binaural, with rare exceptions like Glorified G, and i can generally tolerate most of Ed's drunken rants.

Its kind of narcissistic to think that just by switching to a more efficient car I will solve global warming. Won't fix it, sorry. Its pointless when the world population is still exploding.

So true man, I fell in love with PJ through their music not political views. I don't give a shit about politics in the first place so Eddie's rants just goes through one ear and out the other

Anon

brokendave wrote:

A true narcissist; congrats.

I have a new question for you then. How is it that you are a fan of Pearl Jam, if you don't agree with their ideas, their stage antics, or much of their lyrics for that matter? Maybe I am making a straw man out of you. If so, just answer the one's that apply.

But why can't you understand that you can still like their music, without having to 'agree' with all their ideas and their stage antics. It's called being a fan, not a disciple.

This is the sort of mentality you see by some posters on the 'the porch'. That's why i rarely post there. They don't understand that you can still be a massive supporter of pearl jams music, even if you don't agree with everything they hold close to their heart. Say anything, and you get called out with 'you are not a true fan'. It's so retarded.

On your logic, because apparently the band supports Obama, we should all vote for him right? And we should all support the WM3, and so on and so on.

JD Sal

brokendave wrote:

With Pearl Jam going back on tour in a month or so, how will you be ensuring that you produce as little waste as possible on your journey? How is this going to help in the grander scheme of things? Will actions like this save us from ourselves?

P.S. The title was just to get you to read these questions. Please reply.

In Solidarity,

Dave

So no one should ever travel? Or drive more than a short distance? We can't stop living and enjoying things like Pearl Jam concerts. I think the greater question is what do Pearl Jam fans do in their everyday lives to produce as little waste as possible.

Myself, I drive a Hybrid. I recycle. I carpool when possible. I turn off lights when I leave a room and I buy energy saving appliances. I try to do whatever I can to do my part. I think it's hypocritical when PJ fans talk about conservation and then don't live anywhere close to the standard that they're preaching. But going to a few concerts...not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.

Anon

JD Sal wrote:

So no one should ever travel? Or drive more than a short distance? We can't stop living and enjoying things like Pearl Jam concerts. I think the greater question is what do Pearl Jam fans do in their everyday lives to produce as little waste as possible.

Myself, I drive a Hybrid. I recycle. I carpool when possible. I turn off lights when I leave a room and I buy energy saving appliances. I try to do whatever I can to do my part. I think it's hypocritical when PJ fans talk about conservation and then don't live anywhere close to the standard that they're preaching. But going to a few concerts...not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.

I so agree with everything you have said here. I always do whatever i can to do my part. I'm flying from boston for bonnaroo, but when i'm there i won't be using any water or power for a few days so that's gotta count for something right? Joking... about the water anyway.

Urban Hiker

I am traveling to NYC from Seattle for one day. Very wasteful, yes. However, I hope to fall in love with NYC and from June 24th on to start making plans for my move there.

So, it's a chance to see Pearl Jam and to see if NYC is a good fit for me. If things work out with NYC, I will be moving to a city with a better transportation system and smaller living space per person place (ergo smaller overall eco-footprint). Plus, if I plan things right, I can do my traveling to places closer to Seattle before moving to NYC first, then travel to places closer to NYC. In addition, Pearl Jam seems to tour the east coast more often than the west, so if I relocate to NYC (based on my experiences from this initially seemingly wasteful trip), I will reduce my future footprint dramatically.

Here's to hoping this trip to NYC is a smashing ecological success. Cheers!

Collin

MrSmith wrote:

well, actually, PJ didnt really get political in their music until Binaural, with rare exceptions like Glorified G, and i can generally tolerate most of Ed's drunken rants.

Pearl Jam has been political since the very beginning. Either way, I don't care why you like Pearl Jam, it's all good

Its kind of narcissistic to think that just by switching to a more efficient car I will solve global warming. Won't fix it, sorry. Its pointless when the world population is still exploding.

It's not pointless at all. A lot of today's problem stem from our oil addiction. If the people all show that they want change, away from oil, big companies will see that trend and see a way to make money and they'll invest in alternative resources.

Also, I don't understand why more people wouldn't switch the a less polluting car. More polluting is actually more CO2 emissions, which means you use more oil, which means you pay more money. So a more energy-efficient car saves you money (definitely in the long run) and it helps the bigger problem too.

So I disagree with you, I'd say it definitely has a point but you're right it'll take more than that alone...

I just hope people can look farther than their comfortable surroundings and see that things won't be "good" forever.

"the beautiful world as we know it is definitely at risk" (Guru)

g under p

I'll have to drive 7 miles here in West Palm Beach, Florida and the subway back home in Washington DC. I still do all the energy saving things but today I'm driving 4 hours away to the end of the Florida Keys.

Peace

3inputchick

I remember leaving Camden in 06..... the place was a mess..... hopefully people will be a little more aware this time around.

3inputchick

g under p wrote:

I'll have to drive 7 miles here in West Palm Beach, Florida and the subway back home in Washington DC. I still do all the energy saving things but today I'm driving 4 hours away to the end of the Florida Keys.

Peace

I love Marathon!!!!
GO eat at the Quay!

Towsertunes

Walk,run,crawl, wear out your converse just to get to that PJ show
and save the planet.
Then stand back after the show and watch Eddie wave to you from the window of that huge tour bus that he rides in.

Oh,but it probably burns biofuel.

Collin

I haven't met a single person who is not a hypocrite in some way.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i heard a lot of the band drives SUVs