I appreciate what the guy has done with his report by raising awareness. But you don't really help the cause by fear-mongering.
A carbon based tax will not help the environment all that much. Energy conservation will not help the environment all that much.
Innovation in sources of energy is the only thing going to help the environment. You can't force innovation and it's a pretty hard thing to speed up. The only thing any government can do to help innovation is to give away money to researchers. No European country is doing that much about it though. As much as people hate to hear it but big business will lead the way in tackling climate change. Governmemnts have shown time and time again that they are inept at tackling problems.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I appreciate what the guy has done with his report by raising awareness. But you don't really help the cause by fear-mongering.
A carbon based tax will not help the environment all that much. Energy conservation will not help the environment all that much.
Innovation in sources of energy is the only thing going to help the environment. You can't force innovation and it's a pretty hard thing to speed up. The only thing any government can do to help innovation is to give away money to researchers. No European country is doing that much about it though. As much as people hate to hear it but big business will lead the way in tackling climate change. Governmemnts have shown time and time again that they are inept at tackling problems.
Why?
Business has solved just about every problem we've run across so far. I can't think of a single innovation by the government, other than new ways to waste money.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Why?
Business has solved just about every problem we've run across so far. I can't think of a single innovation by the government, other than new ways to waste money.
Remember...business has solved the problems because their customers demanded it.
So, really, it's the people that solve the problems.
Remember...business has solved the problems because their customers demanded it.
So, really, it's the people that solve the problems.
Fully agree. Though marketing can play a big role in helping to create consumer demand.
But you are right, ultimately it is the consumer that has all the power. But I'm not going to fool myself into belieivng that we can sell people on conservation. People will consume more and more energy every year. The key is where that energy comes from.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Why?
Business has solved just about every problem we've run across so far. I can't think of a single innovation by the government, other than new ways to waste money.
are you serious??
has business cured cancer? does business fix traffic congestion? ... does business fix respiratory illnesses in children? ... i don't think so - i do know that business causes a lot of the problems ...
businesses goal is to make money - sometimes it is done by solving problems but ultimately its goal is to make money and if it causes more problems - so be it ...
has business cured cancer? does business fix traffic congestion? ... does business fix respiratory illnesses in children? ... i don't think so - i do know that business causes a lot of the problems ...
businesses goal is to make money - sometimes it is done by solving problems but ultimately its goal is to make money and if it causes more problems - so be it ...
1) Nope, but they are working on it.
2) NOt entirely, but they have helped it considerably.
3) You do realize that medicine and medical hospital's are often private businesses right?
When a business makes money, lots of people make money, lots of people have jobs, lots of people can support their famiies, lots of people can afford to pay for their kids college education, lots of people can retire...........
has business cured cancer? No but they are working on it. Government has yet to make a breakthrough. In fact all advances I see coming from the private sector.
does business fix traffic congestion? Traffic congestion is created by government due to their inability to plan, fund and execute. Why would we want to leave the environment up to a group of people who can't even manage the flow of traffic?
does business fix respiratory illnesses in children? ... i don't think so - i do know that business causes a lot of the problems ... I've yet to see a drug developped bythe government. Businesses play by the rules as laid out by government. If you think business causes the problem it is only because the government endorses this action through the laws of the land. Again, why would you ever turn to the government to help with the environment when they've never shown they are capable of managing anything.
businesses goal is to make money - sometimes it is done by solving problems but ultimately its goal is to make money and if it causes more problems - so be it ... And governments goal is to stay in power. I trust business a whole lot more than I trust government.
But in the end the responsibility is on the consumer.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
2) NOt entirely, but they have helped it considerably.
3) You do realize that medicine and medical hospital's are often private businesses right?
When a business makes money, lots of people make money, lots of people have jobs, lots of people can support their famiies, lots of people can afford to pay for their kids college education, lots of people can retire...........
But big bad business's always at fault isn't it?
1. yes and no ... if you look at all the money cancer funds go - its mostly going to deal with people WITH cancer and trying to treat them ... we spend no money on cancer prevention - what about not putting chemicals in our body? ... but that would be bad for business ...
2. you know what helps traffic congestion ... car pool lanes, public transit, etc ... all gov't programs ... subsidies to business make us not pay the true cost for gas ...
3. in canada they might be private ... not sure but the majority of their funding comes from public money ...
look - is anyone saying all business is bad?? ... no, read my post ... it just says the priority for business is not the well being of everyone ... to state that business will solve the worlds problems is simply not based on any fact ...
at the end of the day - some of us believe we have a problem here ... a problem that will affect the lives of everyone now and in the future ... if we don't collectively try and fix it - it will get worse ... if that is fear mongering and you don't want to listen - so be it ... but this problem requires a solution from everyone ... not just gov'ts but business and the general populace ...
has business cured cancer? No but they are working on it. Government has yet to make a breakthrough. In fact all advances I see coming from the private sector.
does business fix traffic congestion? Traffic congestion is created by government due to their inability to plan, fund and execute. Why would we want to leave the environment up to a group of people who can't even manage the flow of traffic?
does business fix respiratory illnesses in children? ... i don't think so - i do know that business causes a lot of the problems ... I've yet to see a drug developped bythe government. Businesses play by the rules as laid out by government. If you think business causes the problem it is only because the government endorses this action through the laws of the land. Again, why would you ever turn to the government to help with the environment when they've never shown they are capable of managing anything.
businesses goal is to make money - sometimes it is done by solving problems but ultimately its goal is to make money and if it causes more problems - so be it ... And governments goal is to stay in power. I trust business a whole lot more than I trust government.
But in the end the responsibility is on the consumer.
where do all the private companies get their money? ... from the gov't ... again, we could spend some money on maybe preventing cancer by not allowing businesses to pollute and use toxic substances ...
gov'ts aren't in the business of finding cures - they fund companies that are ... but ultimately, we rely on gov't to keep us safe ... they set standards for everything based on what it is they consider appropriate ... can you imagine if business were allowed to do whatever they want?? ... you'd have no advocate whatsoever ...
i don't trust either gov't or business as far as i can throw em ... but again, i will not put my faith in a model that rewards profits above everything else ...
i don't trust either gov't or business as far as i can throw em ... but again, i will not put my faith in a model that rewards profits above everything else ...
I admit I do, because it's the potential for profit that funds research and innovation.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
just look at all the major corporations in the world today - how many have the well being of people in mind?? ... none?
What kind of question is this? Tell me, how much money have you exchanged with corporations in your life? And for what? Because you thought their products would make you less well???
This kind of ridiculous attitude makes me ill.
Corporations do not care about your well being -- they care about profit. However, since corporations do not just steal your money like governments can, they must earn your money. And that means they must appeal to your well being. Does this mean that corporations sometimes commit unethical acts and lie about their products? Sure. But to type into a machine built by a corporation that links you to thousands of people in all corners of the world thereby increasing your happiness, knowledge, and overall well-bring that those very same corporations don't "have the well being of people in mind"......I just cannot imagine how the world must look to you.
What kind of question is this? Tell me, how much money have you exchanged with corporations in your life? And for what? Because you thought their products would make you less well???
This kind of ridiculous attitude makes me ill.
Corporations do not care about your well being -- they care about profit. However, since corporations do not just steal your money like governments can, they must earn your money. And that means they must appeal to your well being. Does this mean that corporations sometimes commit unethical acts and lie about their products? Sure. But to type into a machine built by a corporation that links you to thousands of people in all corners of the world thereby increasing your happiness, knowledge, and overall well-bring that those very same corporations don't "have the well being of people in mind"......I just cannot imagine how the world must look to you.
First, I think it would be hard to say that posting in MT increases one's well-being.
But more importantly, what do you think of the corporate social responsibility movement. It's more of a movement in Europe, where corporations think more about long-term profits, rather than short-term results (which I've heard dominate American corporate planning).
If a corporation decides to invest in alternative energy or provide AIDS medications in Africa or or supports human rights or does some other "social good" but it diminishes corporate profits, is that okay?
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
If a corporation decides to invest in alternative energy or provide AIDS medications in Africa or or supports human rights or does some other "social good" but it diminishes corporate profits, is that okay?
Corporations are free to adopt whatever strategy they feel will make them the most money. This can be long-term or short-term, that's up to the board of directors and the stockholders voting in the board of directors.
But the board of directors have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for it's shareholders. This is a legal obligation.
Companies and board can argue that being good corporate citizens is a marketplace strategy that will result in more customers and profit in the long run. They cannot say they are good corporate citizens because it's the right thing to do and that it will forever hurt the bottom line.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Corporations are free to adopt whatever strategy they feel will make them the most money. This can be long-term or short-term, that's up to the board of directors and the stockholders voting in the board of directors.
But the board of directors have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for it's shareholders. This is a legal obligation.
Companies and board can argue that being good corporate citizens is a marketplace strategy that will result in more customers and profit in the long run. They cannot say they are good corporate citizens because it's the right thing to do and that it will forever hurt the bottom line.
Yeah, maximizing profit is a fiduciary responsibility in Europe too. Yet somehow, many corporations there take a broader view of their other responsibilities -- to their consumers and their employees, for example -- and think about maximizing profit over a longer term. They're not necessarily thinking "I can lay off workers, make the remaining workers work harder for less money because I'll be able to show a profit in this quarter."
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
Yeah, maximizing profit is a fiduciary responsibility in Europe too. Yet somehow, many corporations there take a broader view of their other responsibilities -- to their consumers and their employees, for example -- and think about maximizing profit over a longer term. They're not necessarily thinking "I can lay off workers, make the remaining workers work harder for less money because I'll be able to show a profit in this quarter."
personally I think the long-term view is the correct approach. But I'm not willing to outlaw companies that want to adopt a short-term view. I just choose not to work for them.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
personally I think the long-term view is the correct approach. But I'm not willing to outlaw companies that want to adopt a short-term view. I just choose not to work for them.
Who said anything about outlawing them? I started this by talking about the corporate social responsibility movement that puts pressure on corporations to adopt this long-term thinking. But this movement must not be very effective if someone can use the phrases "fiduciary responsibility," "maximize profit," and "legal obligation" in (basically) the same sentence yet be unfamiliar with the concept.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
First, I think it would be hard to say that posting in MT increases one's well-being.
Then why do it?
But more importantly, what do you think of the corporate social responsibility movement. It's more of a movement in Europe, where corporations think more about long-term profits, rather than short-term results (which I've heard dominate American corporate planning).
I'm fine with any movement, assuming that movement doesn't force me to sanction it or support it.
If a corporation decides to invest in alternative energy or provide AIDS medications in Africa or or supports human rights or does some other "social good" but it diminishes corporate profits, is that okay?
Of course, assuming that's what the corporation wants to do.
What kind of question is this? Tell me, how much money have you exchanged with corporations in your life? And for what? Because you thought their products would make you less well???
This kind of ridiculous attitude makes me ill.
Corporations do not care about your well being -- they care about profit. However, since corporations do not just steal your money like governments can, they must earn your money. And that means they must appeal to your well being. Does this mean that corporations sometimes commit unethical acts and lie about their products? Sure. But to type into a machine built by a corporation that links you to thousands of people in all corners of the world thereby increasing your happiness, knowledge, and overall well-bring that those very same corporations don't "have the well being of people in mind"......I just cannot imagine how the world must look to you.
did you read the whole conversation? ...
well, while me making you ill - you've managed to prove my point to the other guys ... this is not a discussion about whether corporations are good and bad ... you have your own opinion on that as do i ...
this conversation is about whether we leave it up to business to solve it ... business is part of the problem ... like you said - they only care about making profits ... assuming market forces without gov't intervention will save this planet is wrong in my opinion ...
well, while me making you ill - you've managed to prove my point to the other guys ... this is not a discussion about whether corporations are good and bad ... you have your own opinion on that as do i ...
this conversation is about whether we leave it up to business to solve it ... business is part of the problem ... like you said - they only care about making profits ... assuming market forces without gov't intervention will save this planet is wrong in my opinion ...
Ugh... let me highlight this part of your statement:
"this conversation is about whether we leave it up to business to solve it ... business is part of the problem ..."
You are also part of this problem. Should businesses be sitting around discussing whether or not to "leave it up to you to solve it"???
Business is certainly "part of this problem". But business is only part of this problem because you and I and our friends and families and neighbors are asking them to be part of this problem. Do you think coal fueled power plants are spewing CO2 into the atmosphere for the fun of it? Do you think car makers are producing gas-guzzling SUVs for shits and giggles? No. They are doing these things because you and I and everyone like us is asking them to provide us a service without paying attention to the long term costs. Are they responsible for their actions? Certainly. Are you? Certainly, as well.
So please stop pretending that you have any right to declare who is part of this problem and who is not based on arbitrary standards. It's like fucking Salem in here.
Ugh... let me highlight this part of your statement:
"this conversation is about whether we leave it up to business to solve it ... business is part of the problem ..."
You are also part of this problem. Should businesses be sitting around discussing whether or not to "leave it up to you to solve it"???
Business is certainly "part of this problem". But business is only part of this problem because you and I and our friends and families and neighbors are asking them to be part of this problem. Do you think coal fueled power plants are spewing CO2 into the atmosphere for the fun of it? Do you think car makers are producing gas-guzzling SUVs for shits and giggles? No. They are doing these things because you and I and everyone like us is asking them to provide us a service without paying attention to the long term costs. Are they responsible for their actions? Certainly. Are you? Certainly, as well.
So please stop pretending that you have any right to declare who is part of this problem and who is not based on arbitrary standards. It's like fucking Salem in here.
why get so bent out of shape?? ... did i say i was NOT part of the problem?? ... like i said business is "PART of the problem" - in my previuos post i clearly indicate that the solution involves each part of that problem ... and that includes myself ...
there is no arbitrary standards being set - only in your viewpoint ... feel free to ignore the discussion if it irritates you so much ...
or feel free to add to it instead of just passing judgement on someone's opinion ...
"Climate Change" is only an excuse to blame American's for driving trucks and esuvees. These know nuthin' science freaks will stop at nothing to turn the USA into a communism.
I’d thank my lucky stars,
to be livin here today.
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and they can’t take that away.
And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
"Climate Change" is only an excuse to blame American's for driving trucks and esuvees. These know nuthin' science freaks will stop at nothing to turn the USA into a communism.
"Climate Change" is only an excuse to blame American's for driving trucks and esuvees. These know nuthin' science freaks will stop at nothing to turn the USA into a communism.
Yes, this may very well be the funniest post I've ever read
But please tell me you INTENDED to be as funny as you came across.
Right, we can argue til the fuckin cows come home but I think most of us are in agreement that something MAY be happening... FFG, instead of arguing everything and saying why it WON'T work, what do YOU suggest that we (as a collective or as individuals) should do?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
why get so bent out of shape?? ... did i say i was NOT part of the problem?? ... like i said business is "PART of the problem" - in my previuos post i clearly indicate that the solution involves each part of that problem ... and that includes myself ...
there is no arbitrary standards being set - only in your viewpoint ... feel free to ignore the discussion if it irritates you so much ...
or feel free to add to it instead of just passing judgement on someone's opinion ...
I'm not upset. I simply take issue with the implication of statements like this:
"this conversation is about whether we leave it up to business to solve it"
That implies that you have some kind of high ground (be it moral or otherwise) from which you may rule "business" or anything else for that matter. Furthermore, it implies rather foolishly that business could or would ever deal with these issues without our influence: businesses cannot exist without our influence and they are at the mercy of such influence.
Climate change is not a singular problem. Climate change is a diverse set of circumstances both positive and negative that affect individuals, nations, and regions differently. It is not a world-wide issue to be managed. You nor I have any right to dictate to this world how it should run itself in order to prevent our sea waters from rising or our storms from stengthening. Rather, we have an obligation to deal with our own individual circumstances and our contributions to our own problems.
The solutions to man-made contributions to climate change largely already exist in technologies for transportation, power generation, and agriculture. And the vast majority of those solutions were provided by the great minds of human industry. The ball is not in their court. The ball is in ours.
My suggestion would be a simple one: do not support that which you hate. It is that simple.
What kinda suggestion is that then? Do you think we should do nothing at all?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
That implies that you have some kind of high ground (be it moral or otherwise) from which you may rule "business" or anything else for that matter. Furthermore, it implies rather foolishly that business could or would ever deal with these issues without our influence: businesses cannot exist without our influence and they are at the mercy of such influence.
We all have a moral high ground when it comes to the environment... to say otherwise is incomprehensible (putting it nicely)
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Comments
A carbon based tax will not help the environment all that much. Energy conservation will not help the environment all that much.
Innovation in sources of energy is the only thing going to help the environment. You can't force innovation and it's a pretty hard thing to speed up. The only thing any government can do to help innovation is to give away money to researchers. No European country is doing that much about it though. As much as people hate to hear it but big business will lead the way in tackling climate change. Governmemnts have shown time and time again that they are inept at tackling problems.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
So we're fucked then!
Business has solved just about every problem we've run across so far. I can't think of a single innovation by the government, other than new ways to waste money.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Remember...business has solved the problems because their customers demanded it.
So, really, it's the people that solve the problems.
But you are right, ultimately it is the consumer that has all the power. But I'm not going to fool myself into belieivng that we can sell people on conservation. People will consume more and more energy every year. The key is where that energy comes from.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
are you serious??
has business cured cancer? does business fix traffic congestion? ... does business fix respiratory illnesses in children? ... i don't think so - i do know that business causes a lot of the problems ...
businesses goal is to make money - sometimes it is done by solving problems but ultimately its goal is to make money and if it causes more problems - so be it ...
1) Nope, but they are working on it.
2) NOt entirely, but they have helped it considerably.
3) You do realize that medicine and medical hospital's are often private businesses right?
When a business makes money, lots of people make money, lots of people have jobs, lots of people can support their famiies, lots of people can afford to pay for their kids college education, lots of people can retire...........
But big bad business's always at fault isn't it?
does business fix traffic congestion? Traffic congestion is created by government due to their inability to plan, fund and execute. Why would we want to leave the environment up to a group of people who can't even manage the flow of traffic?
does business fix respiratory illnesses in children? ... i don't think so - i do know that business causes a lot of the problems ... I've yet to see a drug developped bythe government. Businesses play by the rules as laid out by government. If you think business causes the problem it is only because the government endorses this action through the laws of the land. Again, why would you ever turn to the government to help with the environment when they've never shown they are capable of managing anything.
businesses goal is to make money - sometimes it is done by solving problems but ultimately its goal is to make money and if it causes more problems - so be it ... And governments goal is to stay in power. I trust business a whole lot more than I trust government.
But in the end the responsibility is on the consumer.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
1. yes and no ... if you look at all the money cancer funds go - its mostly going to deal with people WITH cancer and trying to treat them ... we spend no money on cancer prevention - what about not putting chemicals in our body? ... but that would be bad for business ...
2. you know what helps traffic congestion ... car pool lanes, public transit, etc ... all gov't programs ... subsidies to business make us not pay the true cost for gas ...
3. in canada they might be private ... not sure but the majority of their funding comes from public money ...
look - is anyone saying all business is bad?? ... no, read my post ... it just says the priority for business is not the well being of everyone ... to state that business will solve the worlds problems is simply not based on any fact ...
at the end of the day - some of us believe we have a problem here ... a problem that will affect the lives of everyone now and in the future ... if we don't collectively try and fix it - it will get worse ... if that is fear mongering and you don't want to listen - so be it ... but this problem requires a solution from everyone ... not just gov'ts but business and the general populace ...
where do all the private companies get their money? ... from the gov't ... again, we could spend some money on maybe preventing cancer by not allowing businesses to pollute and use toxic substances ...
gov'ts aren't in the business of finding cures - they fund companies that are ... but ultimately, we rely on gov't to keep us safe ... they set standards for everything based on what it is they consider appropriate ... can you imagine if business were allowed to do whatever they want?? ... you'd have no advocate whatsoever ...
i don't trust either gov't or business as far as i can throw em ... but again, i will not put my faith in a model that rewards profits above everything else ...
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
heard of the pet rock?? ... for every business you name that was born out of helping people - i can name a dozen that isn't ...
just look at all the major corporations in the world today - how many have the well being of people in mind?? ... none?
What kind of question is this? Tell me, how much money have you exchanged with corporations in your life? And for what? Because you thought their products would make you less well???
This kind of ridiculous attitude makes me ill.
Corporations do not care about your well being -- they care about profit. However, since corporations do not just steal your money like governments can, they must earn your money. And that means they must appeal to your well being. Does this mean that corporations sometimes commit unethical acts and lie about their products? Sure. But to type into a machine built by a corporation that links you to thousands of people in all corners of the world thereby increasing your happiness, knowledge, and overall well-bring that those very same corporations don't "have the well being of people in mind"......I just cannot imagine how the world must look to you.
The government doesn't make it's own money...it steals it from you and I.
Well, the government does literally 'make' money...as in print I guess.
But more importantly, what do you think of the corporate social responsibility movement. It's more of a movement in Europe, where corporations think more about long-term profits, rather than short-term results (which I've heard dominate American corporate planning).
If a corporation decides to invest in alternative energy or provide AIDS medications in Africa or or supports human rights or does some other "social good" but it diminishes corporate profits, is that okay?
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
But the board of directors have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for it's shareholders. This is a legal obligation.
Companies and board can argue that being good corporate citizens is a marketplace strategy that will result in more customers and profit in the long run. They cannot say they are good corporate citizens because it's the right thing to do and that it will forever hurt the bottom line.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
Then why do it?
I'm fine with any movement, assuming that movement doesn't force me to sanction it or support it.
Of course, assuming that's what the corporation wants to do.
did you read the whole conversation? ...
well, while me making you ill - you've managed to prove my point to the other guys ... this is not a discussion about whether corporations are good and bad ... you have your own opinion on that as do i ...
this conversation is about whether we leave it up to business to solve it ... business is part of the problem ... like you said - they only care about making profits ... assuming market forces without gov't intervention will save this planet is wrong in my opinion ...
Ugh... let me highlight this part of your statement:
"this conversation is about whether we leave it up to business to solve it ... business is part of the problem ..."
You are also part of this problem. Should businesses be sitting around discussing whether or not to "leave it up to you to solve it"???
Business is certainly "part of this problem". But business is only part of this problem because you and I and our friends and families and neighbors are asking them to be part of this problem. Do you think coal fueled power plants are spewing CO2 into the atmosphere for the fun of it? Do you think car makers are producing gas-guzzling SUVs for shits and giggles? No. They are doing these things because you and I and everyone like us is asking them to provide us a service without paying attention to the long term costs. Are they responsible for their actions? Certainly. Are you? Certainly, as well.
So please stop pretending that you have any right to declare who is part of this problem and who is not based on arbitrary standards. It's like fucking Salem in here.
why get so bent out of shape?? ... did i say i was NOT part of the problem?? ... like i said business is "PART of the problem" - in my previuos post i clearly indicate that the solution involves each part of that problem ... and that includes myself ...
there is no arbitrary standards being set - only in your viewpoint ... feel free to ignore the discussion if it irritates you so much ...
or feel free to add to it instead of just passing judgement on someone's opinion ...
to be livin here today.
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and they can’t take that away.
And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
But please tell me you INTENDED to be as funny as you came across.
Right, we can argue til the fuckin cows come home but I think most of us are in agreement that something MAY be happening... FFG, instead of arguing everything and saying why it WON'T work, what do YOU suggest that we (as a collective or as individuals) should do?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I'm not upset. I simply take issue with the implication of statements like this:
"this conversation is about whether we leave it up to business to solve it"
That implies that you have some kind of high ground (be it moral or otherwise) from which you may rule "business" or anything else for that matter. Furthermore, it implies rather foolishly that business could or would ever deal with these issues without our influence: businesses cannot exist without our influence and they are at the mercy of such influence.
Climate change is not a singular problem. Climate change is a diverse set of circumstances both positive and negative that affect individuals, nations, and regions differently. It is not a world-wide issue to be managed. You nor I have any right to dictate to this world how it should run itself in order to prevent our sea waters from rising or our storms from stengthening. Rather, we have an obligation to deal with our own individual circumstances and our contributions to our own problems.
The solutions to man-made contributions to climate change largely already exist in technologies for transportation, power generation, and agriculture. And the vast majority of those solutions were provided by the great minds of human industry. The ball is not in their court. The ball is in ours.
My suggestion would be a simple one: do not support that which you hate. It is that simple.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you