would anybody sentence....

markymark550

tybird wrote:

Yes, I would have had him executed following a war crimes (crimes against humanity) trial. He would have remained a threat and a rallying point for the Nazi movement if he had been allowed to live out his life in prison.

great point....

he remained a rallying point for the Nazi movement after his death because of the claims that he didn't commit suicide, escaped from the Allied forces, and fled to countries that were sympathetic to the Nazi regime

just think of how much more it would be had he been imprisoned....

libragirl

markymark550 wrote:

My personal view is that I would have no problem sentencing Hitler to the death penalty if he were caught. Most of the time I support life in prison as the punishment, but for true monsters like Hitler, that punishment seems too light.

I agree....

blackredyellow

Yes, I would.

I am usually against the death penalty, not for humanitarian reasons, but the fact that we continue to convict innocent people. In cases where someone is caught in the act, or there is ABSOLUTE, indisputable evidence, I am ok with it for the most heinous of crimes (like Hitler).

Collin

I wouldn't.

CorporateWhore

I'd make him share a cell with a huge African homosexual rapist. Some guy who looks like Shaq.

even flow?

Juberoo wrote:

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so stupidity ruins society, I think you should be exterminated. Good thing.

Thanks for proving a point on how fast one can slip into the same mentality as Hitler.

DCGARDEN

I would tie him to a cactus in the middle of the Arizona desert and do test launches for nuclear missles right at his feet

And I think he'd be getting off easy

SweetHarmonics

I'll never understand the reasoning in his theory that he was gonna make a master race of whites and get rid of all the sub-par peoples.

He was a sawed-off idiot who got owned by his own scummy morals and caught the syphillis. His half-witted assumptions about war completely tanked the whole thing for Germany and the guy he has running the military was completely perverted and weird. Those idiots still subscribed to the simplistic pagan myths about the seasons and the moon & the sun. How in the fuck did they consider themselves advanced enough to take on the world when they were completely delusional about all sides of life?

Nothing about him and his cronies was anything close to being the master of any race. There's something fishy about the whole scenario, way too over-the-top.

chopitdown

even flow? wrote:

Thanks for proving a point on how fast one can slip into the same mentality as Hitler.

you mean YOU were trying to get a reaction for something?

CorporateWhore

SweetHarmonics wrote:

I'll never understand the reasoning in his theory that he was gonna make a master race of whites and get rid of all the sub-par peoples.

He was a sawed-off idiot who got owned by his own scummy morals and caught the syphillis. His half-witted assumptions about war completely tanked the whole thing for Germany and the guy he has running the military was completely perverted and weird. Those idiots still subscribed to the simplistic pagan myths about the seasons and the moon & the sun. How in the fuck did they consider themselves advanced enough to take on the world when they were completely delusional about all sides of life?

Nothing about him and his cronies was anything close to being the master of any race. There's something fishy about the whole scenario, way too over-the-top.

Discard their personal beliefs about race and religion if you'd like, but Hitler military ideas were actually pretty brilliant.

If the Japanese hadn't gotten the U.S. involved, Hitler would have certainly taken all of Europe. Then it would've come down to the U.S. as the last defense. I daresay we'd be speaking German today if the U.S. hadn't gotten involved when it did.

But I'll leave that for the war buffs.

Juberoo

even flow? wrote:

Thanks for proving a point on how fast one can slip into the same mentality as Hitler.

No obviously you don't understand sarcastic disgust when you see it.

RainDog

CorporateWhore wrote:

Discard their personal beliefs about race and religion if you'd like, but Hitler military ideas were actually pretty brilliant.

If the Japanese hadn't gotten the U.S. involved, Hitler would have certainly taken all of Europe. Then it would've come down to the U.S. as the last defense. I daresay we'd be speaking German today if the U.S. hadn't gotten involved when it did.

But I'll leave that for the war buffs.

There's no way the U.S. would ever have "spoken German." Europe, maybe, but even that's debatable. Much of Hitler's stratagy relied on "blitzkrieg" tactics and keeping his front line troops hopped up on meth. Tactics like that look impressive - downright terrifying - in the beginning, but can't be maintained.

And Russia had as much, if not more, to do with Germany's defeat as the Americans. Not to mention the hell continental Europe gave 'em. Hitler's plan would never have panned out in the long term - under any circumstances, really.

tybird

RainDog wrote:

There's no way the U.S. would ever have "spoken German." Europe, maybe, but even that's debatable. Much of Hitler's stratagy relied on "blitzkrieg" tactics and keeping his front line troops hopped up on meth. Tactics like that look impressive - downright terrifying - in the beginning, but can't be maintained.

And Russia had as much, if not more, to do with Germany's defeat as the Americans. Not to mention the hell continental Europe gave 'em. Hitler's plan would never have panned out in the long term - under any circumstances, really.

Maybe if the right butterfly in South America had farted at the right time on May 22, 1941, things would have been different........but joking aside, there are probable paths that Adolf could have ventured down that changed the outcome....some may be far-fetched, but anything can happen in warfare.

Possible paths:
1) Operation Sea Lion: actually invade England instead of listening to Goering about how an air force can conquer a country....not listening to Goering is far-fetched.

2) Blockade England via U-boats and increased spending on naval surface assests. Following the sinking of the KMS Bismarck, Hitler basically grounded his surface fleet. He probably did not trust the Naval leaders because they were not steadfast Nazi party members....at least some of them. The main surviving Naval leader was acceptable to the Allies as leader of the country at the time of surrender, and he was later cleared of any war crimes.

3) Keep peace with Russia longer......invading Russia while still hammering at Great Britain was way beyond stupid. He really hated Stalin.

4) Abandon the Blitzkrieg when you do attack Russia. The fate of Charles XII of Sweden and Napoleon should have forewarned the Nazis about the tatics needed to invade and conquer Russia.

RainDog

tybird wrote:

3) Keep peace with Russia longer......invading Russia while still hammering at Great Britain was way beyond stupid. He really hated Stalin.

Well, you can't continually demonize communists without doing something about them, right?

You obviously know quite a bit about WWII - plenty more than I do. My point, and I think you've detailed it here, is that Hitler and his strategies weren't nearly as brilliant as they're often made out to be. In fact, in hindsight they actually seem kind of stupid and infeasible. Terrifying, but infeasible.

tybird

RainDog wrote:

Well, you can't continually demonize communists without doing something about them, right?

You obviously know quite a bit about WWII - plenty more than I do. My point, and I think you've detailed it here, is that Hitler and his strategies weren't nearly as brilliant as they're often made out to be. In fact, in hindsight they actually seem kind of stupid and infeasible. Terrifying, but infeasible.

Well, they did have a signed non-agression pact with the demon communists...and you did divide Poland up with them.

He was a mad genius......and the mad part won out. The use of the Blitzkrieg had its place....just the vast landmass of Russia wasn't it. Its initial was especially wise considering the fact that a lot of thinkers and leaders assumed that the next "great war" was going to be just like WWI.....trenchs and stalemates.

LoveRock333

I would have liked to, but I probably couldn't. I would lock him away, alone for the rest of his life. Fate worse than death.

RainDog

tybird wrote:

Well, they did have a signed non-agression pact with the demon communists...and you did divide Poland up with them.

He was a mad genius......and the mad part won out. The use of the Blitzkrieg had its place....just the vast landmass of Russia wasn't it. Its initial was especially wise considering the fact that a lot of thinkers and leaders assumed that the next "great war" was going to be just like WWI.....trenchs and stalemates.

Oh, most definitely. But I have a hard time applying the term "genius," in a military sense, to someone incapable of adapting - like a one hit wonder who keeps trying to rewrite the same song.

Now, on the social/propaganda front, the guy was something else, and I'd certainly call him a genius there. I can't even understand German, but I understand Hitler's motivating influence when I see that old footage.

Collin

RainDog wrote:

Oh, most definitely. But I have a hard time applying the term "genius," in a military sense, to someone incapable of adapting - like a one hit wonder who keeps trying to rewrite the same song.

Now, on the social/propaganda front, the guy was something else, and I'd certainly call him a genius there. I can't even understand German, but I understand Hitler's motivating influence when I see that old footage.

I think I heard somewhere that he used a different voice for his speeches and that his actual voice sounded ... funny, at least not powerful. I think people found some recordings or something.

Anyway, he was a propaganda master.

deadnothingbetter

well, i guess my perspective is not a political one... and it wasn't intended to bring up political issues. it was more a philosophical one.... i mean, how can we truly dare say that if someone killed a loved one of ours we wouldn't want to pay them back? i guess that Yeah, Yeah, Yeah song comes to mind... "if you had all the power in the world would you save it? no we cannot know for sure or what we'd really do with all your power" it's easy to say now but when it comes to it who's to know for sure that we'll "turn the other cheek?"

tybird

RainDog wrote:

Oh, most definitely. But I have a hard time applying the term "genius," in a military sense, to someone incapable of adapting - like a one hit wonder who keeps trying to rewrite the same song.

Now, on the social/propaganda front, the guy was something else, and I'd certainly call him a genius there. I can't even understand German, but I understand Hitler's motivating influence when I see that old footage.

The "genius" tag is for overall efforts, as the "mad" tag since he was mad as a hatter convention. In the realm of warfare, adaption is the keystone to success, for example some of the Polish forces fighting the Blitzkrieg did so from horseback.....horses against tanks??? The Poles did not adapt to the lessons learned from WWI nor did they get a practice run in the Spanish Civil War like the Nazis. His forces did have a run of success....then the madness trumped the genius, and it came down like a house of cards....but not overnight.