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.... or else ya gotta stay all term.
British politics, here...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5304686.stm
Blair 'must heed Thatcher lesson'
Tony Blair has been warned by a top union leader not to repeat the mistake of Margaret Thatcher by staying on too long as prime minister.
Tony Woodley, head of the Transport and General Workers Union, urged an end to the uncertainty about Mr Blair's plans.
His appeal came as Labour MPs voiced anger and frustration at Mr Blair's refusal to use this month's Labour conference to give an exit timetable.
Mr Blair has told his critics: "Let me get on with the job."
And in a briefing with journalists in Scotland, he shrugged off comparisons with Mrs Thatcher's declaration to go "on and on", saying: "You pays your money and you takes your choice."
He said the last general election had only taken place 15 months ago and he wanted speculation about his future to end.
Mr Blair has already said he will step down before the next election but there is mounting pressure for him to go further and end speculation about his departure date.
Confused
Mr Woodley, leader of one of the big four unions, said those advising Mr Blair were not living in the real world.
"They should be advising him not to get himself into a position as Thatcher did, when she did not understand when to go," he told BBC News.
Labour was now the only party which did not have a leader to fight the next election, which was going to be very difficult to win, he argued.
If he carries on, the prospects look gloomy for him
Geraldine Smith
Labour MP
Mr Blair should end the "confusion" sooner rather than later, added Mr Woodley.
His warning was echoed by Labour backbencher Geraldine Smith, who said Mr Blair should remember that nobody was bigger than the party.
People wanted to see Mr Blair leave on a high, not be dragged down like Margaret Thatcher, Ms Smith told BBC News.
"If he carries on, the prospects look gloomy for him because it's doing the Labour Party and the government so much damage," she said.
'Messy'
Earlier, ex-Cabinet minister Andrew Smith said uncertainty about the leadership was making the government "drift".
"I would have thought it's clear to everyone that the debilitating uncertainty over the leadership can't go on - it's bad for the country, bad for the government, bad for the Labour Party, and ultimately bad for Tony Blair himself," he said.
And former deputy chief whip George Mudie said Labour's conference later this month would be "very messy" if the uncertainty went on.
Amid the disquiet, there is speculation that up to 80 backbenchers could send an open letter to Mr Blair demanding a departure timetable.
But former Cabinet enforcer Jack Cunningham said those raising the issue often had their own agendas and were persistently distracting attention from important policy issues.
And ex-Home Secretary David Blunkett said setting a timetable would be tantamount to stepping down now.
"The minute you say it, the whole of the civil service grinds to a standstill, all your power goes and government atrophies in a way it does not at the moment, despite the discussions that are going on," he said.
The Guardian newspaper said Mr Blair's "current thinking" was that he would stand down next summer.
HAVE YOUR SAY
The fact that he has managed to last this long in unbelievable
Heather, Wolverhampton
But Mr Blair told the Times: "I have done what no other prime minister has done before me. I've said I'm not going to go on and on and on and said I'll leave ample time for my successor," he said.
"Now at some point I think people have to accept that as a reasonable proposition and let me get on with the job," he said.
"If what they are really worried about is timing I think most of you can look at what I have said and draw conclusions about that."
Story from BBC NEWS:
Published: 2006/09/01 16:52:24 GMT
© BBC MMVI
British politics, here...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5304686.stm
Blair 'must heed Thatcher lesson'
Tony Blair has been warned by a top union leader not to repeat the mistake of Margaret Thatcher by staying on too long as prime minister.
Tony Woodley, head of the Transport and General Workers Union, urged an end to the uncertainty about Mr Blair's plans.
His appeal came as Labour MPs voiced anger and frustration at Mr Blair's refusal to use this month's Labour conference to give an exit timetable.
Mr Blair has told his critics: "Let me get on with the job."
And in a briefing with journalists in Scotland, he shrugged off comparisons with Mrs Thatcher's declaration to go "on and on", saying: "You pays your money and you takes your choice."
He said the last general election had only taken place 15 months ago and he wanted speculation about his future to end.
Mr Blair has already said he will step down before the next election but there is mounting pressure for him to go further and end speculation about his departure date.
Confused
Mr Woodley, leader of one of the big four unions, said those advising Mr Blair were not living in the real world.
"They should be advising him not to get himself into a position as Thatcher did, when she did not understand when to go," he told BBC News.
Labour was now the only party which did not have a leader to fight the next election, which was going to be very difficult to win, he argued.
If he carries on, the prospects look gloomy for him
Geraldine Smith
Labour MP
Mr Blair should end the "confusion" sooner rather than later, added Mr Woodley.
His warning was echoed by Labour backbencher Geraldine Smith, who said Mr Blair should remember that nobody was bigger than the party.
People wanted to see Mr Blair leave on a high, not be dragged down like Margaret Thatcher, Ms Smith told BBC News.
"If he carries on, the prospects look gloomy for him because it's doing the Labour Party and the government so much damage," she said.
'Messy'
Earlier, ex-Cabinet minister Andrew Smith said uncertainty about the leadership was making the government "drift".
"I would have thought it's clear to everyone that the debilitating uncertainty over the leadership can't go on - it's bad for the country, bad for the government, bad for the Labour Party, and ultimately bad for Tony Blair himself," he said.
And former deputy chief whip George Mudie said Labour's conference later this month would be "very messy" if the uncertainty went on.
Amid the disquiet, there is speculation that up to 80 backbenchers could send an open letter to Mr Blair demanding a departure timetable.
But former Cabinet enforcer Jack Cunningham said those raising the issue often had their own agendas and were persistently distracting attention from important policy issues.
And ex-Home Secretary David Blunkett said setting a timetable would be tantamount to stepping down now.
"The minute you say it, the whole of the civil service grinds to a standstill, all your power goes and government atrophies in a way it does not at the moment, despite the discussions that are going on," he said.
The Guardian newspaper said Mr Blair's "current thinking" was that he would stand down next summer.
HAVE YOUR SAY
The fact that he has managed to last this long in unbelievable
Heather, Wolverhampton
But Mr Blair told the Times: "I have done what no other prime minister has done before me. I've said I'm not going to go on and on and on and said I'll leave ample time for my successor," he said.
"Now at some point I think people have to accept that as a reasonable proposition and let me get on with the job," he said.
"If what they are really worried about is timing I think most of you can look at what I have said and draw conclusions about that."
Story from BBC NEWS:
Published: 2006/09/01 16:52:24 GMT
© BBC MMVI
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You can actually have a say in your government! Must be marvelous...
Everything here is phony, staged, sensationalist, etc etc etc. Washington doesn't give a shit about anything except making more money and making it harder to kick them out of office.
I love how you guys do parlament (sp?) and the actual town hall meetings where real people say what most people are really thinking to Blair. I loved watching a leader sweat and take a beating like that. I really don't think Bush gives a rat's ass about what people think, want, or even need.
BTW nice draw with the Bob Dylan line
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
Well, we're seeing electoral fraud going on here, too; and even though the polled majority of UK subjects were against going into the Iraqi War, Blair ignored his people, and used indirect, bullyboy tactics to force ambitious MPs to support a parliamentary vote in favour of the war. (His argument for war was based on the so-called evidence of the "Dodgy Dossier", saying that Saddam could hit people with long range WMD, within 45 minutes of a given order). He scraped in at the 2005 general election, and though he's long promised Chancellor Gordon Brown his job in due course, he's showing no sign of going. His dithering and equivocating, when he should have been enforcing an unconditional ceasefire in the recent Lebanon conflict, was, in many people's eyes, the final nail in his political coffin, and Bush banged the nail in with his derisive "Yo Blair" comment.
Maybe it's the same, i dunno.
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
we have as little sway as you guys to be honest... although we have more than just a 2 party system... (although we dont really) so the govt can actually be defeated on certain things.. we, the electorate, are as placid as the US, once the powers have been put into office!!
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=3541&&&edition=1&ttl=20060901234728