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Britain's top military general calls for withdrawl from Iraq

FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
edited October 2006 in A Moving Train
This should send shockwaves through Number 10:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6046332.stm

The head of the British Army has said the presence of UK armed forces in Iraq "exacerbates the security problems".

In an interview in the Daily Mail, Sir Richard Dannatt, Chief of the General Staff, is quoted as saying the British should "get out some time soon".

He also said: "Let's face it, the military campaign we fought in 2003, effectively kicked the door in." (See link for the rest of the article.)

If the head of the British army is saying this, this should cause problems for the politicians.
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  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    This should send shockwaves through Number 10:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6046332.stm

    The head of the British Army has said the presence of UK armed forces in Iraq "exacerbates the security problems".

    In an interview in the Daily Mail, Sir Richard Dannatt, Chief of the General Staff, is quoted as saying the British should "get out some time soon".

    He also said: "Let's face it, the military campaign we fought in 2003, effectively kicked the door in." (See link for the rest of the article.)

    If the head of the British army is saying this, this should cause problems for the politicians.

    One can hope this will make a difference
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Like it or not... the guy is right. Britain has fulfilled its obligation by providing the military support during the war and the security efforts afterwards.
    Bush/Rumsfeld claim there are close to 300,000 trainned Iraqi Security forces... take 7,000 of those assholes and send our British allies home. The last thing we need is the British people pissed off at us, too.
    This is America's mess... we are the responsible party. We need to clean up this shit ourselves.
    Thanx, Brits... we love you. Have a safe trip home, mates.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    Yep, Dannatt has enormous respect among the military, however Blair might spin things against him later on (presuming he does). He's formidable, and he's saying that it's time for Britain to pull out.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Yep, Dannatt has enormous respect among the military, however Blair might spin things against him later on (presuming he does). He's formidable, and he's saying that it's time for Britain to pull out.
    ...
    The U.S. says there are 308,000 trained and equipped Iraqi Security Forces. Let's say Two Iraqis equals One Brit... 14,000 ISF in the Basra region should do the trick, right? It still leaves 294,000 trained and equiped ISF troops... plus the 140,000 U.S. soldiers... plus the 2 guys from Tonga... that's 434,002 troops for the rest of the place. Plus, they tell us the trainning schedule churns out about 5,000 per month. I'm surprized the place isn't as safe as Disneyland after it closes.
    How many guys do we need over there?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    The U.S. says there are 308,000 trained and equipped Iraqi Security Forces. Let's say Two Iraqis equals One Brit... 14,000 ISF in the Basra region should do the trick, right? It still leaves 294,000 trained and equiped ISF troops... plus the 140,000 U.S. soldiers... plus the 2 guys from Tonga... that's 434,002 troops for the rest of the place. Plus, they tell us the trainning schedule churns out about 5,000 per month. I'm surprized the place isn't as safe as Disneyland after it closes.
    How many guys do we need over there?


    Depends how many are sitting targets, right now, sad to say.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Depends how many are sitting targets, right now, sad to say.
    ...
    How come no one else seems to ask this? How many of those fucking ass Iraqis do we need to train over there to send ONE of our guys home? If 308,000 isn't enough... lets say that the number is 308,001... then, we need to train and equip 43,120,140,000 Iraqis to get all of our guys out.
    I'm guessing that we're going to be training the insurgents and 6 year old Iraqi girls into their army.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • TruthmongerTruthmonger Posts: 559
    I was gonna make a thread yesterday, but I'll simply state that there's a major problem developing b/c, acccording to a poll, 71% of Iraqi's want the U.S. out in a year. The problem is that the U.S. is preparing to spend another four years in Iraq (2010) !!! By a huge majority, the people there say the U.S. is an instigative force, not a positive/constructive one. So the U.S. will only chase its own tail and clean up its own mess. Its sad.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    How come no one else seems to ask this? How many of those fucking ass Iraqis do we need to train over there to send ONE of our guys home? If 308,000 isn't enough... lets say that the number is 308,001... then, we need to train and equip 43,120,140,000 Iraqis to get all of our guys out.
    I'm guessing that we're going to be training the insurgents and 6 year old Iraqi girls into their army.

    the reason is they are trained enough to provide security - but they are not motivated to secure what we want they to secure. They are of no use to the United States and its desired outcome.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Abuskedti wrote:
    the reason is they are trained enough to provide security - but they are not motivated to secure what we want they to secure. They are of no use to the United States and its desired outcome.
    ...
    So... in other words... what President Bush, Vice-President Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld are saying is bullshit... right?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    So... in other words... what President Bush, Vice-President Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld are saying is bullshit... right?

    Thats hard to believe isn't it.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    my favourite thing associated with the pre-war planning and post occupation strategy was the appointments ... cronies given top posts with little or no experience ... iraqis given top jobs based on questionaires that were targeting republican friendly people ...

    this mission was never planned to succeed ... it was meant to drag on and on ... you can't continue to spend money on the military and defence contracts without instability ... the more instability - the more you can spend on mini-nukes and cluster bombs ...
  • TruthmongerTruthmonger Posts: 559
    polaris wrote:
    my favourite thing associated with the pre-war planning and post occupation strategy was the appointments ... cronies given top posts with little or no experience ... iraqis given top jobs based on questionaires that were targeting republican friendly people ...

    this mission was never planned to succeed ... it was meant to drag on and on ... you can't continue to spend money on the military and defence contracts without instability ... the more instability - the more you can spend on mini-nukes and cluster bombs ...

    Its typical U.S. bullshit. Would anyone here like to defend the American installation of Ahmed Chalabi back into the Iraqi gov't ? No, I didn't think so. Fuck, why stop at Chalabi, why didn't they make Curveball his deputy......
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