Catholicism VS. Christianity

Ali

The Bible states:

"CALL NO ONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER"

That includes aCatholic priest and Darth Vader.

adv

know1

Ali wrote:

The Bible states:

"CALL NO ONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER"

That includes aCatholic priest and Darth Vader.

adv

Can I speak for everyone else and say: "Huh"?????

What does that have to do with Catholicism v. Christianity? Furthermore, I don't think the bible says that. After all, it refers to earthly fathers all the time.

Cosmo

Ali wrote:

The Bible states:

"CALL NO ONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER"

That includes aCatholic priest and Darth Vader.

adv

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It all depends on who you ask... I guess:
http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm
http://www.justforcatholics.org/a21.htm

MasterFramer

Cosmo wrote:

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It all depends on who you ask... I guess:
http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm
http://www.justforcatholics.org/a21.htm

Christians vs Christians... that's just laugh out loud funny...

Its like Sunni's vs Shites but more civilized...

religion is the cause of almost all of the wars in the history of the planet... no thanks

chopitdown

Ali wrote:

The Bible states:

"CALL NO ONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER"

where?

FinsburyParkCarrots

Not even Father Jack?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ5oPOVC744
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vo9ZeEoX28&NR

pickupyourwill

Ali wrote:

The Bible states:

"CALL NO ONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER"

Does this mean I have to start referring to my dad as papa? I will wish him a Happy Pappy Day in June.

cornnifer

MasterModeler wrote:

Christians vs Christians... that's just laugh out loud funny...

Its like Sunni's vs Shites but more civilized...

religion is the cause of almost all of the wars in the history of the planet... no thanks

Because you, obviously, have no idea what you are ranting about, i'd like to clarify some things. First of all i'm not quite sure what the original poster intended. That being said i would like to point out that Christianity and catholicism are NOT synonyms, so i'm afraid you're "laughing out loud" while not even understanding your own joke. Catholicism is a VERY HIGHLY RELIGIFIED denomination of Christianity. i've said it here before, Christianity, inand of itself, is NOT a religion. It just isn't. Its a FAITH. period. There is a huge difference. Catholicism on the other hand, is VERY religious. i don't mean any disrespect towards catholics as i have known catholics with very stron and respectable faith. I will say, however, that having attended cathloic school as a wee lad, and obviously seen the catholic culture, i know that there are many catholics with no faith at all. Many people are catholic by default. They were BORN catholic. Baptised catholic. Raised catholic. Many people are catholic because the church required them to at least proclaim it in order to marry their husband or wife in the catholic church. i've heard people say "I'm catholic, but, I don't really believe it". You see it doesn't even require faith.
Christianity, in and of itself, is not even a religion. ALL it requires is faith. No one is BORN a Christian. Non-denominational Christians do not even practice infant baptism. What makes a Christian a Christian is what they believe. Period. I am a Christian. My children are not. They aren't old enough to make that conciouss decison. There are no Christians by birth, marriage, culture or default. There is no confession, holy water, smoke, incense, robes, rosaries, rote memorization of prayer, Christmas masses in latin, or even celebacy for church leaders. i don't even have to go to church on Sunday if i don't feel like it. If ever i decide i do not believe Jesus was the messiah, i can no longer call myself a Christian. i guess i can, but it doesn't mean anything.
My point here, again, is not to disrespect catholics. i'm simply pointing out that although its very common for people to equate catloicism and Chritianity as synonomous, it is high ridiculous to do so. They are not the same thing.


And as an aside, neither religion OR faith have caused, promoted, or endorsed a single war in world history. Not one.

negationist

Christianity is a religion:

'Christianity is a monotheistic religion centered on Jesus of Nazareth, and on his life and teachings as presented in the New Testament. Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah and thus refer to him as Jesus Christ.'

Catholicism, as it is defined, is just one of the many denominations of christianity:

'The term Catholicism, while understood in different ways, most commonly refers to the Churches in communion with the Bishop of Rome. These Churches together form the single body that in common parlance is known simply as the Catholic Church, but is also called the Roman Catholic Church. This name is used especially by some who are not of the same communion, but it is also accepted, mostly for that reason, by the Church itself, if only on occasion.'

By the way, comparing Sunni's and Shi'ites are a little different, as they're both different denominations of Islam. That would be akin to comparing Methodists and Catholics.

Just my 2 cents worth.

cornnifer

negationist wrote:

Christianity is a religion:

'Christianity is a monotheistic religion centered on Jesus of Nazareth, and on his life and teachings as presented in the New Testament. Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah and thus refer to him as Jesus Christ.'

Catholicism, as it is defined, is just one of the many denominations of christianity:

'The term Catholicism, while understood in different ways, most commonly refers to the Churches in communion with the Bishop of Rome. These Churches together form the single body that in common parlance is known simply as the Catholic Church, but is also called the Roman Catholic Church. This name is used especially by some who are not of the same communion, but it is also accepted, mostly for that reason, by the Church itself, if only on occasion.'

By the way, comparing Sunni's and Shi'ites are a little different, as they're both different denominations of Islam. That would be akin to comparing Methodists and Catholics.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Christianity is not a religion, despite, what Webster, or Wikipedia says. It is a faith. Religion and faith are not necessarily the same thing.

negationist

cornnifer wrote:

Christianity is not a religion, despite, what Webster, or Wikipedia says. It is a faith. Religion and faith are not necessarily the same thing.

Then by the same token, all religions are faiths and not religions. I think it's the whole chicken and egg debate all over again. Faith is something you believe in, it could be religion, a basic set of principles, an inanimate object or even a human being. Religion has a common, specific centre for all it's followers, for example Jesus of Nazareth for the Christians.

cornnifer

negationist wrote:

Then by the same token, all religions are faiths and not religions. I think it's the whole chicken and egg debate all over again. Faith is something you believe in, it could be religion, a basic set of principles, an inanimate object or even a human being. Religion has a common, specific centre for all it's followers, for example Jesus of Nazareth for the Christians.

False. Religion involves, dogma, ritual, and required set of behaviors. i.e. smoke, incense, rote memorization of prayer, prayer five times a day, ablutions, sacrament, celebacy, hierarchy, etc. Faith requires none of that. Faith requires, well... faith.

negationist

cornnifer wrote:

False. Religion involves, dogma, ritual, and required set of behaviors. i.e. smoke, incense, rote memorization of prayer, prayer five times a day, ablutions, sacrament, celebacy, hierarchy, etc. Faith requires none of that. Faith requires, well... faith.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.

'Religion is a system of social coherence based on a common group of beliefs or attitudes concerning an object, person, unseen being, or system of thought considered to be supernatural, sacred, divine or highest truth, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions, and rituals associated with such belief or system of thought.'

'Faith is commonly known as a belief, trust or confidence often based on a transpersonal relationship with God, a higher power, elements of nature and/or a perception of the human race as a whole. Faith can be placed in a person, inanimate object, state of affairs, proposition or body of propositions such as a religious credo.'

Just a few quotes before i shut up and say no more on the topic.

LikeAnOcean

Ali wrote:

The Bible states:

"CALL NO ONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER"

That includes aCatholic priest and Darth Vader.

adv

Why are people so literal? Why are we going to do about Father's Day now. Geez.

Horos

Catholisism is Christianity and Christianity is religion. Learned that in grade school.

Lizard

I always thought that if you are "Christian" you are either Catholic or Protestant. That simple. It started off as one relegion and branched off with Martin Luther and the Protestants.

But hey, who am I to preach?

cornnifer

Lizard wrote:

I always thought that if you are "Christian" you are either Catholic or Protestant. That simple. It started off as one relegion and branched off with Martin Luther and the Protestants.

But hey, who am I to preach?

Thats what you get for thinkin'.

cornnifer

Horos wrote:

Catholisism is Christianity and Christianity is religion. Learned that in grade school.

Uhhh... No.

LikeAnOcean

cornnifer wrote:

Uhhh... No.

No? Catholoism IS Christian. There are many branches of the Christian faith. The two main ones are Cathlic and Protestant.

LikeAnOcean

cornnifer wrote:

Religion and faith are not necessarily the same thing.

What are you smoking? You either follow it or not. Why does it have to be so literally technical?

Should the thread starter have used the word "belief" instead of "religion" or "faith" to keep themselves politcally correct??? This arguement is kind of going of topic here. We know what the person means.

enharmonic

There is a definite difference between religion and faith. They are two fundamentally different aspects of a spiritual life.