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you know what i heard this week?

catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
that the kurdish controlled north of iraq hasn't had a bombing for nearly eighteen months. there are no foreign troops there and the security for the region is the responsibility of the kurds.
now before you all jump on me, i heard this in passing and missed the programme about it. i can not verify the source of this information at this juncture, but i figured it was worth sharing if only to stimulate debate about its truthfullness. i will endeavour to find out more.
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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    That's because the Kurds control it, and are only too happy to have some independence from Baghdad. They want full independence however, and that opens a whole new can of worms in the region as the kurds have been and is a suppressed minority in Turkey, Iran, Syria and formerly Iraq where they now enjoy a degree of independence. Most of the violence in Iraq is between sunni groups, shi'ite groups and among themselves. Throw in some Al Qaeda to top it off. That all happens in the middle and south parts of the country.

    I dont doubt what you say here, but what that means, is harder to know.

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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    That's because the Kurds control it, and are only too happy to have some independence from Baghdad. They want full independence however, and that opens a whole new can of worms in the region as the kurds have been and is a suppressed minority in Turkey, Iran, Syria and formerly Iraq where they now enjoy a degree of independence. Most of the violence in Iraq is between sunni groups, shi'ite groups and among themselves. Throw in some Al Qaeda to top it off. That all happens in the middle and south parts of the country.

    I dont doubt what you say here, but what that means, is harder to know.

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    i totally hear you dan. i think it's great if it's true.
    and you're right about kurdish autonomy. i guess this is what happens when, as an imperial force, you arbitrarily divide a region to suit yourself without regard for local ethnicities. to give the 'iraqi' kurds full sovereignty would cause more problems than the West is willing to deal with. but it certainly makes you think about what kind of iraq is possible.
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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    catefrances wrote:
    i totally hear you dan. i think it's great if it's true.
    and you're right about kurdish autonomy. i guess this is what happens when, as an imperial force, you arbitrarily divide a region to suit yourself without regard for local ethnicities. to give the 'iraqi' kurds full sovereignty would cause more problems than the West is willing to deal with. but it certainly makes you think about what kind of iraq is possible.

    I agree.

    Now wasn't that fun? :):p

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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    I agree.

    Now wasn't that fun? :):p

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    perhaps your idea of fun differs from mine dan, but it is calming to be in agreeance. :)

    Nechervan Barzani, the prime minster of kurdistan says no american soldiers have been killed in his region since the start of the occupation.
    now that is cause for if not celebration, then surely some serious contemplation.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    catefrances wrote:
    that the kurdish controlled north of iraq hasn't had a bombing for nearly eighteen months. there are no foreign troops there and the security for the region is the responsibility of the kurds.
    now before you all jump on me, i heard this in passing and missed the programme about it. i can not verify the source of this information at this juncture, but i figured it was worth sharing if only to stimulate debate about its truthfullness. i will endeavour to find out more.


    what are you doing going around spreading good news about the Iraq war.

    people dont seem to care that saddam killed 180,000 kurds with chemical weapons. buried them in mass graves. no bush is the terrorist.
    hopefully some people will watch this

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2575187915143553793&q=saddam+reign+of+terror


    fact is, the kurds in the north are thriving. good for them.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what are you doing going around spreading good news about the Iraq war.

    people dont seem to care that saddam killed 180,000 kurds with chemical weapons. buried them in mass graves. no bush is the terrorist.
    hopefully some people will watch this

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2575187915143553793&q=saddam+reign+of+terror


    fact is, the kurds in the north are thriving. good for them.

    oh i care that saddam murdered kurds. but you know i consider both bush and hussein terrorists. the fact that one of them works behind the faulty facade of democracy makes no difference to me. :)
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    catefrances wrote:
    oh i care that saddam murdered kurds. but you know i consider both bush and hussein terrorists. the fact that one of them works behind the faulty facade of democracy makes no difference to me. :)


    a faulty facade of democracy? so what is america then?
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    jlew24asu wrote:
    a faulty facade of democracy? so what is america then?

    that my friend is a good question. and if you live in america it is one you should be asking and thinking seriously about. what is democracy? is the greek foundation of democracy faulty by design and in its execution. and if so does that make our view of democracy today somewhat skewed? :)

    btw you did realise that comment was directed at the US, yeah? :) but not exclusively. it applies to all so called democracies, including my own australia.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    catefrances wrote:
    that my friend is a good question. and if you live in america it is one you should be asking and thinking seriously about. what is democracy? is the greek foundation of democracy faulty by design and in its execution. and if so does that make our view of democracy today somewhat skewed? :)

    btw you did realise that comment was directed at the US, yeah? :) but not exclusively. it applies to all so called democracies, including my own australia.


    fair enough. I'd like to call america a free country, much like you and my friends down under.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    jlew24asu wrote:
    fair enough. I'd like to call america a free country, much like you and my friends down under.

    yes, but let's not forget that freedom is an illusion for many, controlled by the dominant hegemony to the exclusion of anything counter. :) as a 'white' person i am fully aware of the advantages i have at my disposal. i am also aware of the limitations. :)
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