What are people on the left wing going to do when Obama rules from the center right?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

pearljamfan1212 wrote:

afgahistan will never have more then 100,000 soldiers there. Iraq has close to 170,000. yes some will go over there, but most will come home.

and secondly Bush is not going to invade Iran during his last 50 days in office. and Obama definitely wont. so that statement is simply laughable

Figures say something like 500,000 troops are needed. You know the drill, surge, surge, surge. Iraq was a piece of cake compared to Afghanistan logistically. If Bush had a third term was the criteria not 50 days.

Saying Obama definitely won't means nothing. When push comes to shove, he will and has said he will again and again.

pearljamfan1212

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Figures say something like 500,000 troops are needed. You know the drill, surge, surge, surge. Iraq was a piece of cake compared to Afghanistan logistically. If Bush had a third term was the criteria not 50 days.

Saying Obama definitely won't means nothing. When push comes to shove, he will and has said he will again and again.

500,000 eh? why not just say a million. no no, maybe 2 million.

there are currently about 35,000 american troops there. Gates says about 20,000 more are needed. according to math, thats alot less then 500,000. keep in mind, we are not the only force there. NATO is in command.

http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/rss/article/491387

U.S. Defence Secretary Robert Gates said last week at a meeting of his counterparts in Cornwallis, N.S., that as many as 20,000 additional American troops will flood into Afghanistan next year.

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and if you think Obama, a lefty liberal, someone who says he will actually talk to Iran's wacky president, having just gone through 6 years of an unpopular Iraq war, in the middle of an economic crisis, will take our country to war, I'd say you are living in a dream land.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

pearljamfan1212 wrote:

500,000 eh? why not just say a million. no no, maybe 2 million.

there are currently about 35,000 american troops there. Gates says about 20,000 more are needed. according to math, thats alot less then 500,000. keep in mind, we are not the only force there. NATO is in command.

http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/rss/article/491387

U.S. Defence Secretary Robert Gates said last week at a meeting of his counterparts in Cornwallis, N.S., that as many as 20,000 additional American troops will flood into Afghanistan next year.

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and if you think Obama, a lefty liberal, someone who says he will actually talk to Iran's wacky president, having just gone through 6 years of an unpopular Iraq war, in the middle of an economic crisis, will take our country to war, I'd say you are living in a dream land.

The figures are always low balled. You know that...everyone knows that.

War is only unpopular until the next "terrorist incident"

let's not be naive

polaris

pearljamfan1212 wrote:

time table is being set regardless of what McCain says. Iraqi parliament votes tomorrow on the agreement stating troops leave at the end of 2011.

how is it that is attributed to bush?

pearljamfan1212

polaris wrote:

how is it that is attributed to bush?

bush is still president correct?

pearljamfan1212

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The figures are always low balled. You know that...everyone knows that.

War is only unpopular until the next "terrorist incident"

let's not be naive

lowballed? I thought they were exaggerated. besides your personal estimates are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS higher then the Defense Sec. I think I'll go with him over you. no offense.

Abuskedti

radiohead33 wrote:

Seeing as from his cabinet picks he clearly is anything but a radical or left winger. Most if not ALL of his cabinet voted for the war in iraq.
Hillary clinton for one, I remember on some c span special, talking about how she wouldnt apologize for voting for the war. This was in 2007.

I am sure she still believes this.

So, what are the people who elected him going to do about it?

He was elected, because people were pissed off, about the economy, war and all the lies.

Evidently, this is lost on mr obama.

Remember the 2006 midterms? Democrats won big, all because people wanted the iraq war to end. And of course we know how the dems delivered on that promise right?

Obama presented himself, and the left wing believed he was some radical or a person who wouldnt play politics like they have been played for all of american history.

How can people say he is anything other than a politician by his cabinet picks?

What the hell is a left person anyway???? blah blah blah.. will he be honest? will he listen to his cabinet, and the people and make decisions with integrity? if so - he will be a great president. Left, Right .. what is the difference.. why would anyone want to limit him to some script written by either political club.. that would be dumb...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

pearljamfan1212 wrote:

lowballed? I thought they were exaggerated. besides your personal estimates are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS higher then the Defense Sec. I think I'll go with him over you. no offense.

I'm sure they're telling the truth...always a source of truth that MIC is.

pretend all you want. I won't

pearljamfan1212

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'm sure they're telling the truth...always a source of truth that MIC is.

pretend all you want. I won't

its easy to just make up numbers to suit your beliefs.. I'm sure it makes you feel really good about yourself. I however will go with estimates from multiple people who are close to the situation.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

pearljamfan1212 wrote:

its easy to just make up numbers to suit your beliefs.. I'm sure it makes you feel really good about yourself. I however will go with estimates from multiple people who are close to the situation.

Right... Afghanistan is going to be a cake walk. I think you're dreaming, and so are the people feeding you the sleeping pills.

PJ_Saluki

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Figures say something like 500,000 troops are needed.

Figures say at least 50 percent of your propaganda is bullshit.

Roland wrote:

If Bush had a third term was the criteria not 50 days.

If my aunt had a cock she'd be my uncle.

Roland wrote:

Saying Obama definitely won't means nothing. When push comes to shove, he will and has said he will again and again.

What the hell does this even mean? The last time I checked, your Zionists were bitching at Obama for having the nerve to say he'd talk to Iran. I guess it's all just B.S. and part of a plan for global domination by Israel. If the issue is nukes, not even Arabs want Iran to have atomic weapons.

Seriously doubt we're invading Iran, but what would I know? You, however, surely know.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

PJ_Saluki wrote:

Figures say at least 50 percent of your propaganda is bullshit.

Yeah? Show me one then.

PJ_Saluki wrote:

If my aunt had a cock she'd be my uncle.

did you not read jeffbr's post about the third term statement I replied to in the first place?...nevermind.

PJ_Saluki wrote:

What the hell does this even mean? The last time I checked, your Zionists were bitching at Obama for having the nerve to say he'd talk to Iran. I guess it's all just B.S. and part of a plan for global domination by Israel. If the issue is nukes, not even Arabs want Iran to have atomic weapons.

What parts did you miss on the Obama saying he would do everything in his power to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities/weapon? I guess all of it?

pearljamfan1212

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Right... Afghanistan is going to be a cake walk. I think you're dreaming, and so are the people feeding you the sleeping pills.

whoa. who said Afghanistan will be a cake walk? you made up a nice round number of 500,000 american troops will be needed/deployed. thats laughable.

I can post links all day long of more accurate estimates from General from the US, Europe, Canada, Nato.

unifiedscene

radiohead33 wrote:

Seeing as from his cabinet picks he clearly is anything but a radical or left winger. Most if not ALL of his cabinet voted for the war in iraq.
Hillary clinton for one, I remember on some c span special, talking about how she wouldnt apologize for voting for the war. This was in 2007.

I am sure she still believes this.

So, what are the people who elected him going to do about it?

He was elected, because people were pissed off, about the economy, war and all the lies.

Evidently, this is lost on mr obama.

Remember the 2006 midterms? Democrats won big, all because people wanted the iraq war to end. And of course we know how the dems delivered on that promise right?

Obama presented himself, and the left wing believed he was some radical or a person who wouldnt play politics like they have been played for all of american history.

How can people say he is anything other than a politician by his cabinet picks?

I am going to be very pleased, as I voted for him because he was a centrist candidate. I'm sorry to break it to you far left liberals, but Obama never claimed to be one of you and the country doesn't agree with or want the policies of the far left. I'm glad that he's going to respect the majority by not forcing an extreme fringe partisan platform on the general population like Bush did. This election was not some mandate for a leftist agenda, it was a rejection of partisan bickering and the extreme, insular politics of the last administration.

pearljamfan1212

unifiedscene wrote:

I am going to be very pleased, as I voted for him because he was a centrist candidate. I'm sorry to break it to you far left liberals, but Obama never claimed to be one of you and the country doesn't agree with or want the policies of the far left. I'm glad that he's going to respect the majority by not forcing an extreme fringe partisan platform on the general population like Bush did. This election was not some mandate for a leftist agenda, it was a rejection of partisan bickering and the extreme, insular politics of the last administration.

exactly. well said. the rhetoric of the thread starter scares the crap out of me. an admitted far left radical. yikes!

polaris

pearljamfan1212 wrote:

bush is still president correct?

yeah ... but this is an act of the iraqi parliament ... not bush

RolandTD20Kdrummer

pearljamfan1212 wrote:

whoa. who said Afghanistan will be a cake walk? you made up a nice round number of 500,000 american troops will be needed/deployed. thats laughable.

I can post links all day long of more accurate estimates from General from the US, Europe, Canada, Nato.

I think their crystal ball is a little cracked in that regard. The phrase "build it, and they will come" comes to mind. "Just a few more troops" seems to be the slogan of the day.

PJ_Saluki

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yeah? Show me one then.

What, I can't just pull a number out of my ass? Plus, that 500,000 seems like something that came out of one's ass.

Roland wrote:

did you not read jeffbr's post about the third term statement I replied to in the first place?...nevermind.

It was ridiculous when he said it, too.

Roland wrote:

What parts did you miss on the Obama saying he would do everything in his power to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities/weapon? I guess all of it?

That's exactly what Iran wants. They're firing off rockets and testing new surface-to-air missiles. We already know Iran has nuclear materials. Russia is attempting to build a power plant there.

But, I guess this is one of the quotes you're referencing: “I think that a nuclear armed Iran is not just a threat to us, it’s a threat to Israel. And it is a game changer in the region. It’s unacceptable. And that’s why I’ve said that I won’t take any options off the table, including military, to prevent them from obtaining a nuclear weapon.”

P-E Obama said he wouldn't take any options off the table. That includes negotiation.

Are you comfortable with a nuclear Iran? Should their neighbors be OK with it? What about the world?

polaris

unifiedscene wrote:

I am going to be very pleased, as I voted for him because he was a centrist candidate. I'm sorry to break it to you far left liberals, but Obama never claimed to be one of you and the country doesn't agree with or want the policies of the far left. I'm glad that he's going to respect the majority by not forcing an extreme fringe partisan platform on the general population like Bush did. This election was not some mandate for a leftist agenda, it was a rejection of partisan bickering and the extreme, insular politics of the last administration.

there you go drifting!! ... proof!

unifiedscene

polaris wrote:

there you go drifting!! ... proof!

Oooh, what did I prove? Do I win something?