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musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited November 2008 in A Moving Train
The people who voted him in and even those who supported third parties like myself, need t demand obama withdraws the troops immediately.

he will not back down from his promise to end the war.

the war will end. either he will end it, or we will put so much pressure on him he will be forced to end it.

Seems to me, his first priorities seem to be the financial crisis. thats fine.

but number two on the list must be

BRING THE DAMN TROOPS HOME!
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    radiohead33 wrote:
    The people who voted him in and even those who supported third parties like myself, need t demand obama withdraws the troops immediately.

    he will not back down from his promise to end the war.

    the war will end. either he will end it, or we will put so much pressure on him he will be forced to end it.

    Seems to me, his first priorities seem to be the financial crisis. thats fine.

    but number two on the list must be

    BRING THE DAMN TROOPS HOME!
    Agree, but the immediately is not going to happen. Even though he is getting the same reports that President Bush does so that the transition is not difficult, and he is obviously planning what he will be doing, he is not able to make any changes to anything until after the inauguration when his term starts. That's still 2 months away.

    At least thats how i understand it.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    I disagree that the financial crisis is first priority. While our country is at war, War is priority 1!

    It is sad that we can have our young men and women fighting and dying and killing, yet prioritize that below the unemployment rate.

    If a strong economy is necessary for national defense, then stimulate it to that end, not to relieve the middle and upper middle classes and the rich of having to work a little harder or retire a little less plush.

    what on earth is wrong with us?
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Just to clarify, my agreement was in relation to bringing the troops home asap, not that the financial crisis was the first priority....
  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Keep telling your self that...there maybe a draw down, but we are going to have our people there for a while. Plan on seeing more troops in Afghanistan and the Horn of Africa soon as well.

    I think he told you what you wanted to hear for your vote.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,160
    I would be surprised to see a significant withdrawal of military units from the Middle East in the next 14 months (if ever). With Iran sitting plum in the middle of Iraq and Afghanistan (along with the region being in Russia's backyard), both countries are key strategic areas for staging operations.

    In retrospect, it is kind of weird that the war was the number one issue a year ago and now it is hardly mentioned because the economy is struggling.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    radiohead33 wrote:
    The people who voted him in and even those who supported third parties like myself, need t demand obama withdraws the troops immediately.

    he will not back down from his promise to end the war.

    the war will end. either he will end it, or we will put so much pressure on him he will be forced to end it.

    Seems to me, his first priorities seem to be the financial crisis. thats fine.

    but number two on the list must be

    BRING THE DAMN TROOPS HOME!

    And if we bring the troops home, let's give them all honorable discharges.
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    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    know1 wrote:
    And if we bring the troops home, let's give them all honorable discharges.

    You guys crack me up.....

    Damn hippies
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  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Jason P wrote:
    I would be surprised to see a significant withdrawal of military units from the Middle East in the next 14 months (if ever). With Iran sitting plum in the middle of Iraq and Afghanistan (along with the region being in Russia's backyard), both countries are key strategic areas for staging operations.

    In retrospect, it is kind of weird that the war was the number one issue a year ago and now it is hardly mentioned because the economy is struggling.

    Thats because no one gives a shit, they only care about what effects their small world, never mind the rest of the world.
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  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    Will you criticize him when the troops don't come home? Or will you fervently stand behind him?
  • freindlyfiredfreindlyfired Posts: 297
    radiohead33 wrote:
    The people who voted him in and even those who supported third parties like myself, need t demand obama withdraws the troops immediately.

    he will not back down from his promise to end the war.

    the war will end. either he will end it, or we will put so much pressure on him he will be forced to end it.

    Seems to me, his first priorities seem to be the financial crisis. thats fine.

    but number two on the list must be

    BRING THE DAMN TROOPS HOME!

    sweet dreams!
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    saveuplife wrote:
    Will you criticize him when the troops don't come home? Or will you fervently stand behind him?
    Will you confer grudging praise on him if he brings them home or will you fervently continue to bash him?
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Will you confer grudging praise on him if he brings them home or will you fervently continue to bash him?


    Question with a question, huh? Very technical.

    I don't think they should come home yet. So, why would I praise him? I won't bash him at all, if they remain there until the mission is complete. However, I will ask his supporters the question I originally asked.
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    This is a strange question. Obama never said once in the two years he was running for office that he could bring the troops home immediately. He said there would be a steady withdrawl, and that troops would be home by the end of his first term (or 2010, I forget the exact number). That's what the promise was. Now we're holding him accountable if he doesn't bring the troops home immediately? I will hold Obama accountable for the promises he made, but I can't hold him to the fire over something he never even said.
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    digster wrote:
    This is a strange question. Obama never said once in the two years he was running for office that he could bring the troops home immediately. He said there would be a steady withdrawl, and that troops would be home by the end of his first term (or 2010, I forget the exact number). That's what the promise was. Now we're holding him accountable if he doesn't bring the troops home immediately? I will hold Obama accountable for the promises he made, but I can't hold him to the fire over something he never even said.

    Correct. His plan all along was withdrawal on a 16 month schedule, which would be 18 months from now since he doesn't officially take office until Nov. 20.
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  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    Right so, if they don't come home then.... you'll be outraged right?
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    Barring some freakish and apparent development that forces troops to stay, I'd say if by three, three and a half years, troops are not out of Iraq other than the troops necessary at the U.S. Embassy, et cetera, I'd be pretty pissed. I'm not one to say 'bring the troops home NOW', however much I'd like to. President Bush's decision left the country in such a hole, that I think this nation needs to be stable before we leave it. I see no reason that can't happen in three years. Unless of course, we start withdrawing our troops and the violence quickly increases (which would be doubly ironic as it would prove that the surge had not worked). If that happens, I really don't know what we do next.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    Keep telling your self that...there maybe a draw down, but we are going to have our people there for a while. Plan on seeing more troops in Afghanistan and the Horn of Africa soon as well.

    I think he told you what you wanted to hear for your vote.

    The US will ALWAYS have troops in Iraq somebody has to be on gaurd for the minimum 4 permanent military bases being built there along with our billion dollar US Embassy. In Afghanistan we're back where we stated with with our attack of this middle eastern region, our troops will now be concentrated to find some sort of victory there.

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  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    saveuplife wrote:
    Right so, if they don't come home then.... you'll be outraged right?

    I was outraged when Bush first sent troops to Iraq. I'm pissed they're still there in a war of choice. I'll be pissed if they're still there by the end of Obama's first term. Unfortunately this thing has dragged on for so long and been so bad that my outrage has been tempered with the uneasy feeling that since we broke it, we bought it. The sooner troops come home, the better, but if Iraq has done anything it's lowered my expectations for getting out of there. Still, 16 months from inauguration seems like a reasonable timeline to get the majority of troops out of there.
    "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    I was outraged when Bush first sent troops to Iraq. I'm pissed they're still there in a war of choice. I'll be pissed if they're still there by the end of Obama's first term. Unfortunately this thing has dragged on for so long and been so bad that my outrage has been tempered with the uneasy feeling that since we broke it, we bought it. The sooner troops come home, the better, but if Iraq has done anything it's lowered my expectations for getting out of there. Still, 16 months from inauguration seems like a reasonable timeline to get the majority of troops out of there.

    Well if Obama listens this album *Yell Fire* he should get the picture of bringing the troops home. Nice picture here: http://www.spearheadvibrations.com/index2.php


    The song from that album *Time To Come Home* by Michael Franti and Spearhead

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    16-18 months is too long.

    i would shudder to see the face of some kid, whose father or mother has been in iraq for years, come home, gone back etc... and then when it is announced "obama withdraws troops", then to tell that same kid, oh wait, your dad or mom has to go back to afghanistan.

    War is wrong no matter who is legislating and in office.

    The war under bush was wrong, a continuation of any war bush started is still wrong under Obama,


    I will never support a 16-18 month timeline.

    Those troops deserve to be home NOW. Anyone who says differently is crazy.

    that whole "fix it, we bought it" argument was used in vietnam. Its used in every war, no troops would ever come home if that line of thinking was followed.

    How do you fix Iraq? How do we bring back those dead innocent civilians our war machines murdered? Or salvage the environment those same machines destroyed? Mend the animosity and rage many of those civilians feel toward the united states? That sure as hell aint gonna be fixed in 18 months!
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    radiohead33 wrote:
    16-18 months is too long.

    i would shudder to see the face of some kid, whose father or mother has been in iraq for years, come home, gone back etc... and then when it is announced "obama withdraws troops", then to tell that same kid, oh wait, your dad or mom has to go back to afghanistan.

    War is wrong no matter who is legislating and in office.

    Well, that's a fair opinion. But what I was responding to was your claim in the first post that "he (Obama) will not back down from his promise to end the war." How can you claim to hold him accountable to a promise he never made (that he would bring the troops home immediately)? How is he betraying the electorate if he never made that promise to the electorate? He's consistently said it would be a gradual withdrawl.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Iran is going to be a while to finish yet

    probably a decade once the bombing starts.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I'm against the war (all wars), but I don't want to leave the Iraqi's hung out to dry by hurrying the troops home.

    Also, I said earlier that we should discharge the military when they get home. What's the point of a military if we're against letting them fight? Let's use the money it takes to maintain them for other things.
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  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    radiohead33 wrote:
    16-18 months is too long....will never support a 16-18 month timeline.

    Well, it's the best you're going to get and we'll be lucky if it's that good. The simple logistics of moving about 200,000 soldiers out of the country will probably take more than half that time, if not longer. Obama can't snap his fingers and make it so. It's not a, "Poof! Troops home now" proposition. Think about it.
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    Well, it's the best you're going to get and we'll be lucky if it's that good. The simple logistics of moving about 200,000 soldiers out of the country will probably take more than half that time, if not longer. Obama can't snap his fingers and make it so. It's not a, "Poof! Troops home now" proposition. Think about it.
    No, he can't get all the troops out immediately. He can, however, immediately declare that the Iraq war is over and BEGIN the process of removing troops immediately, which is what he should do. If he doesn't declare that war over the first day he takes office, he becomes a war criminal by default. Remember, the whole thing is illegal in the first place.
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