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Why is Obama against gay marriage?

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  • dharma69dharma69 Posts: 1,275
    He (just like McCain) are against calling it "marriage"; for preserving the simple definition and integrity of the word.

    They are both for civil unions and the rights afforded to any other couple.

    There you go.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    ...because even most liberals oppose it.
    reigning champion

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  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    sponger wrote:
    ...because even most liberals oppose it.
    I oppose marriage in general, gay or straight.
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  • SpeakersSpeakers Posts: 252
    I have a feeling that if it were up to him, he would support it but it is all political. (nothing to base that on, just the way he thinks)

    I think there are a lot of things where he has moved to the center in an honest effort to represent the most number of people and find a balance.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    CHANGEinWAVES wrote:
    I oppose marriage in general, gay or straight.

    Marriage is a joke. It's pathetic to see people trying to protect its "traditional" meaning.
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  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    sponger wrote:
    Marriage is a joke. It's pathetic to see people trying to protect its "traditional" meaning.
    I agree whole heartedly.
    "I'm not present, I'm a drug that makes you dream"
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    I know John McCain is against gay marraige, did he comment in any of the debates about the "sanctity of marraige"?

    To me, if you have beed married and got a divorce, you really have no right talking about the "sanctity of marraige" ... so, I hope McCain really hasn't pulled that card out, if so, it's quite hypocritical.

    Sponger has it right ... there is no true "sanctity of marriage" anymore ... it's a shame. But what ... a third, half, what percentage of marraiges end up in divorce? It's a lot.

    As I heard some comedian say (paraphrasing) .... "man, if the gay folks want to have the right to be married, why not let them be just as miserable as the rest of us?"


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  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    jimed14 wrote:
    But what ... a third, half, what percentage of marraiges end up in divorce? It's a lot.
    I believe it's HALF now.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    CHANGEinWAVES wrote:
    I believe it's HALF now.

    don't get me wrong, not all divorces are wrong ... some people do deserve better and are MUCH better off ... ;)

    I just think holding marraiges up on this imaginary pedistal is pretty silly.

    and indeed, I'll be voting No on California Prop 8 on Tuesday.
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  • Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    who knows where mccain stands? he doesn't

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHSFyzlGd_s&NR=1
  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    jimed14 wrote:

    I just think holding marraiges up on this imaginary pedistal is pretty silly.

    I agree with you....why should the politicians hold marriage to this standard when the Married couples don't.
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  • Mrs.Vedder78Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    CHANGEinWAVES wrote:
    I agree with you....why should the politicians hold marriage to this standard when the Married couples don't.


    The problem here is that as usual it all starts with a religious point of view...

    God said that marriage is between man and woman. So therefore it must be true and that's the way we should all live even if we don't believe in God :rolleyes:

    Because regardless of what they say that's the root of the definition of marriage and in my opinion that's what makes the separation of state and religion so pathetically hypocritical...
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    radiohead33 wrote:
    title says it all


    because he's progressive, and want's change.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    He's not against gay marriage. He is punting to the states rights argument, which is basically what McCain said too. It's a way to support the gay marriage movement as it spreads from CA and beyond without sacrificing any political points. There is no need for him to stick his neck out -- let the states decide.

    On a personal level, I am sure he supports it.
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    Because he's being a little gutless on the issue, although it's probably one of the more divisive issues you can find in politics. The argument for civil unions makes little sense to me; "we will grant you all the benefits of marriage, but we're not going to actually call it marriage." Huh?
  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    digster wrote:
    Because he's being a little gutless on the issue, although it's probably one of the more divisive issues you can find in politics. The argument for civil unions makes little sense to me; "we will grant you all the benefits of marriage, but we're not going to actually call it marriage." Huh?

    I think that is a diplomatic way to give a nod to the people who want it to be only man/woman, while helping others still get the legal benefits normally accorded to married people.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    digster wrote:
    Because he's being a little gutless on the issue, although it's probably one of the more divisive issues you can find in politics. The argument for civil unions makes little sense to me; "we will grant you all the benefits of marriage, but we're not going to actually call it marriage." Huh?

    to me, it's a tad gutless, but honestly, why chance the an election bringing this up? Why risk discussing this issue which is a no win situation? Same way McCain feels. Especially knowing the economy is so much more important to voters right now.

    I think most people that read the issue understand what Obama's really saying (essentially,he's not going to stand in anyone's way) ... but, there is just no point in calling out support for gay marraige during an election ... or else, you'll look like McCain did in tht clip that was posted.
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  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    radiohead33 wrote:
    title says it all


    Because he is trying to win an election. He won't be for long.
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Smellyman wrote:
    who knows where mccain stands? he doesn't

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHSFyzlGd_s&NR=1


    HA HA :)

    That was great!!
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Speakers wrote:
    I have a feeling that if it were up to him, he would support it but it is all political. (nothing to base that on, just the way he thinks)

    I think there are a lot of things where he has moved to the center in an honest effort to represent the most number of people and find a balance.

    but he told us before we could always count on the fact that if he voted for something it meant he strongly believes it...are you saying this is no longer true?

    lol
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • nothingheadnothinghead Posts: 270
    I've wondered this for some time. Obama supporting gay Civil Unions with all the benefits of marriage, but not gay marriage itself, is one of the ultimate ironies of the election.

    Yes, America is ready to back a black President--one who firmly believes in "separate but equal" institutions for minority populations.
  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    sponger wrote:
    Marriage is a joke. It's pathetic to see people trying to protect its "traditional" meaning.
    marriage is not a joke...
    no way even near...

    look at geese...they have life partners and if their partner dies, it is said, the survivor will die too..

    marriage is the highest sacrament between man and woman. One reason marriage is taken for granted is that people have not initiated enough preparation to enter the temple...

    and because of this rush for a bond, it is not taken in the context it is meant to be.
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  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    CHANGEinWAVES wrote:
    I oppose marriage in general, gay or straight.


    For the first time ever, I agree with you.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    nothinghead wrote:

    Yes, America is ready to back a black President--one who firmly believes in "separate but equal" institutions for minority populations.

    Well said.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    melodious wrote:
    marriage is not a joke...
    no way even near...

    look at geese...they have life partners and if their partner dies, it is said, the survivor will die too..

    marriage is the highest sacrament between man and woman. One reason marriage is taken for granted is that people have not initiated enough preparation to enter the temple...

    and because of this rush for a bond, it is not taken in the context it is meant to be.

    Marriage is a joke, though ...having two individuals (same sex or not) being in a committed mutually satisfying relationship to share in ones journey is not. Having made up rules for engagement is a joke...not needed.

    To the thread, Obama's saying what he needs to say to get elected on the subject...but be willing to guess he really doesn't care who schtoops who??
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  • dharma69dharma69 Posts: 1,275
    I don't see anything wrong with leaving "marriage" alone; personally I think it's the best thing to do. Progress and progression is all well and good but not everything that we were built on needs to be revised and re-written just to accomodate everyone who "decides" to be different.

    Accomodations should be made to include and that's what civil unions do. Just because so many people fuck up in marriage doesn't mean that marriage isn't still worthy of the honor that it was meant to own. It belongs on a pedestal the same as having a child does.
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  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    :) + :) = :)

    thank you...I believe Obama does believe in marriage..

    marriage is phenomenal...
    all insanity:
    a derivitive of nature.
    nature is god
    god is love
    love is light
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    The man is human for Christ's sake.
    Just because I'm voting for the guy doesnt' mean that I'm 100% across the board in line with everything he believes in. I believe in alot of what he says and agree with him on a vast majority of issues; that's why he's getting my vote.

    But he's by no means Perfect.
  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    dharma69 wrote:
    I don't see anything wrong with leaving "marriage" alone; personally I think it's the best thing to do. Progress and progression is all well and good but not everything that we were built on needs to be revised and re-written just to accomodate everyone who "decides" to be different.

    Accomodations should be made to include and that's what civil unions do. Just because so many people fuck up in marriage doesn't mean that marriage isn't still worthy of the honor that it was meant to own. It belongs on a pedestal the same as having a child does.


    Think of it this way -- black people didn't used to have the legal right to marry either. The institution of marriage is not changing. It's just that as times change, we become more accepting as to who we let have these freedoms that only some of us used to have.

    Also, you may be interested to learn about the history of marriage. It's based mostly in property rights, and the concept of marriage unifying a romantic relationship is a pretty recent one. Last couple hundred years or so.
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    The man is human for Christ's sake.
    Just because I'm voting for the guy doesnt' mean that I'm 100% across the board in line with everything he believes in. I believe in alot of what he says and agree with him on a vast majority of issues; that's why he's getting my vote.

    But he's by no means Perfect.

    I think that's just the result of increased partisanship on both sides of the debate, and with presidential political campaigns in general. It happens here all the time; I've been questioned about many different Obama positions with the automatic assumption being that I agree with every single one of the policy positions he champions. I don't know if it's always been like that, but it seems like it's increased in the past ten years.
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