How do we know who the hijackers were?
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There are major contradictions. Seeing as it would be impossible to to who on the planes were involved in terrorist actions
how could someone tell a bystander/innocent person, from a hijacker. Obviously the people on the plane could tell who was hijacking the plane, but how could that have been relayed on to anyone else? Its not like someone could call a family member and say "our plane is hijacked and by the way the hijackers are so and so". That couldnt have happened.
So how do we know the identities of the hijackers?
Especially considering the BBC article that suggested that many of the hijackers were alive and well weeks after the attacks.
Seems like the FBI just looked at all the Islamic people on the planes and said they were hijackers
how could someone tell a bystander/innocent person, from a hijacker. Obviously the people on the plane could tell who was hijacking the plane, but how could that have been relayed on to anyone else? Its not like someone could call a family member and say "our plane is hijacked and by the way the hijackers are so and so". That couldnt have happened.
So how do we know the identities of the hijackers?
Especially considering the BBC article that suggested that many of the hijackers were alive and well weeks after the attacks.
Seems like the FBI just looked at all the Islamic people on the planes and said they were hijackers
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You need to post that BBC article if you're going to say that.
A man called Waleed Al Shehri says he left the US a year ago
Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.
The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.
Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.
His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.
Hijacking suspects
Flight 175: Marwan Al-Shehhi, Fayez Ahmed, Mohald Alshehri, Hamza Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi
Flight 11: Waleed M Alshehri, Wail Alshehri, Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz Alomari and Satam Al Suqami
Flight 77: Khalid Al-Midhar, Majed Moqed, Nawaq Alhamzi, Salem Alhamzi and Hani Hanjour
Flight 93: Ahmed Alhaznawi, Ahmed Alnami, Ziad Jarrahi and Saeed Alghamdi
Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.
He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.
He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Daytona Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.
But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines and is currently on a further training course in Morocco.
Mistaken identity
Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also been quoted in Arab news reports.
Abdelaziz Al Omari 'lost his passport in Denver'
He says he is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and that he lost his passport while studying in Denver.
Another man with exactly the same name surfaced on the pages of the English-language Arab News.
The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines, the report says.
Meanwhile, Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi.
Khalid Al-Midhar may also be alive
He was listed by the FBI as a hijacker in the United flight that crashed in Pennsylvania.
And there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive.
FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.
Hijack 'suspect' alive in Morocco
An airport security video shows two of the alleged hijackers
By David Bamford in Rabat
A Saudi-Arabian aircraft pilot who was named as one of five suspects on board one of the planes that crashed into the World Trade Centre, has turned up alive and well in Morocco.
The man, Waleed Al-Shehri, has told Saudi journalists in Casablanca that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco at the time.
The US authorities are following up thousands of leads
The FBI named five men with Arab names who they say were responsible for deliberately crashing American Airlines Flight 11 into the World Trade Center.
One of those five names was Waleed Al-Shehri, a Saudi pilot who had trained in the United States.
His photograph was released by the FBI, and has been shown in newspapers and on television around the world.
That same Mr Al-Shehri has turned up in Morocco, proving clearly that he was not a member of the suicide attack.
He told Saudi journalists in Casablanca that he has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities to advise them that he had nothing to do with the attack.
He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Dayton Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al-Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.
Confusion
But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, and became a pilot with Saudi Arabian Airlines, and is currently on a further training course in Morocco.
He says he was in Marrekesh when the attack took place.
Mr Al-Shehri's case is not the first in which there has been apparent confusion as to the identities of the hijackers who commandeered the four planes on 11 September.
Mr Al-Shehri said he has now been interviewed by the American authorities, who apologised for the misunderstanding.
The identities of two men with the same name have been cobbled together to create an FBI "terrorist". Both are Alive!
The first has the same name, the same birth date as one of the FBI "terrorists" but has no idea how to fly.
The second has the name Abdul Rahman Al-Omari and a different birth date, but is the person pictured by the FBI and is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines.
Here are some quotes from the world's media concerning them.
Omari Number 1
"A Saudi man has reported to authorities that he is the real Abdul Aziz Al-Omari, and claims his passport was stolen in 1995 while he studied electrical engineering at the University of Denver. Al-Omari says he informed police of the theft." - ABCNews
"I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001
"The name (listed by the FBI) is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York," Abdul Aziz Al-Omari told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper.
"Al-Omari has since been found in Saudi Arabia and is apparently cleared in the case" - New York Times
"Saudi Embassy officials in Washington have challenged his identity. They say a Saudi electrical engineer named Abdul Aziz Al-Omari had his passport and other papers stolen in 1996 in Denver when he was a student and reported the theft to police there at the time." - BBC
"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Sa�d Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate)
Omari Number 2
Mr. Al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media.
"Abdul Aziz Al-Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines" - BBC 23rd September 2001
"A pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking � as well as being dead � and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation." - Independent 17th September 2001
This Al-Omari lives with his wife and four children in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
Saeed Al-Ghamdi (Flight 93) (Trained Pilot)
"Saeed Al-Ghamdi is one of three hijackers that US officials have said are linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network." - BBC
No BBC! Mr. Al-Ghamdi is still alive and well and at his job for Tunis Air.
"I was completely shocked. For the past 10 months I have been based in Tunis with 22 other pilots learning to fly an Airbus 320. The FBI provided no evidence of my presumed involvement in the attacks." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001
"Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Al-Ghamdi." - BBC 23rd September 2001
"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Sa�d Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate)
"..... not dead and had nothing to do with the heinous terror attacks in New York and Washington." - Saudi embassy
Waleed Al-Shehri (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot)
"A sixth person on the FBI's list, Saudi national Waleed Al-Shehri, is living in Casablanca, according to an official with the Royal Air Moroc, the Moroccan commercial airline. According to the unnamed official, Al-Shehri lived in Dayton Beach, Fla., where he took flight training at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Now he works for a Moroccan airline." On Sept. 22, Associated Press reported that Alshehri had spoken to the U.S. embassy in Morocco.
"His photograph was released by the FBI, and has been shown in newspapers and on television around the world. That same Mr Al-Shehri has turned up in Morocco, proving clearly that he was not a member of the suicide attack." - Daily Trust 24th September 2001.
"He was reported to have been in Hollywood, Florida, for a month earlier this year but his father, Ahmed, said that Waleed was alive and well and living in Morocco." - Telegraph
"Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well." - BBC 23rd September 2001.
Ahmed Al-Nami (Flight 93)
"I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked." He had never lost his passport and found it "very worrying" that his identity appeared to have been "stolen" and published by the FBI without any checks. The FBI had said his "possible residence" was Delray Beach in Florida." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001
Salem Al-Hazmi (Flight 77)
"Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001.
Khalid Al-Mihdhar (Flight 77)
"Saudi officials at the embassy were unable to verify the whereabouts of the fifth accused hijacker, Khalid Al-Mihdhar. However, Arab newspapers say Al-Mihdhar is still alive.
"..... there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar may also be alive." - BBC 23rd September 2001
again I ask, how do we know who hijacked the plane. If those who were named were alive and well.
Well we know who trained them.
At least 5 of the alleged 19 hijackers were trained right here in America.
At US Army bases and special schools.
And yet no one seems too concerned about that.
:(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Can you post the link to that article or fact?
Yes, some of the named hijackers where confused, some fake names perhaps were used? That would seem reasonable.
I understand your confusion -- but please rest assured, we know who did it.
Saudi Arabia?
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Well, i could have posted the ... gasp ... Prison Planet article, but here:
Newsweek says SHIZAM!
I'm sure this gets a "no big deal" from most though. Right?
I mean, how could the military know that men it innocently trained would one day want to kill americans?
:rolleyes:
Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained At U.S. Bases
The Pentagon Has Turned Over Military Records On Five Men To The Fbi
By George Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Sep 15, 2001
U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used in Tuesday's terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s.
Three of the alleged hijackers listed their address on drivers licenses and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla.-known as the "Cradle of U.S. Navy Aviation," according to a high-ranking U.S. Navy source.
Another of the alleged hijackers may have been trained in strategy and tactics at the Air War College in Montgomery, Ala., said another high-ranking Pentagon official. The fifth man may have received language instruction at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Tex. Both were former Saudi Air Force pilots who had come to the United States, according to the Pentagon source.
But there are slight discrepancies between the military training records and the official FBI list of suspected hijackers-either in the spellings of their names or with their birthdates. One military source said it is possible that the hijackers may have stolen the identities of the foreign nationals who studied at the U.S. installations.
The five men were on a list of 19 people identified as hijackers by the FBI on Friday. The three foreign nationals training in Pensacola appear to be Saeed Alghamdi and Ahmad Alnami, who were among the four men who allegedly commandeered United Airlines Flight 93. That flight crashed into rural Pennsylvania. The third man who may have trained in Pensacola, Ahmed Alghamdi, allegedly helped highjack United Airlines Flight 75, which hit the south tower of the World Trade Center.
Military records show that the three used as their address 10 Radford Boulevard, a base roadway on which residences for foreign-military flight trainees are located. In March 1997, Saeed Alghamdi listed the address to register a 1998 Oldsmobile; five months later he used it again to register a second vehicle, a late model Buick. Drivers licenses thought to have been issued to the other two suspects in 1996 and 1998 list the barracks as their residences.
NEWSWEEK visited the base early Saturday morning, where military police confirmed that the address housed foreign military flight trainees but denied access past front barricades. Officials at the base confirmed that the FBI is investigating the three students.
It is not unusual for foreign nationals to train at U.S. military facilities. A former Navy pilot told NEWSWEEK that during his years on the base, "we always, always, always trained other countries' pilots. When I was there two decades ago, it was Iranians. The shah was in power. Whoever the country du jour is, that's whose pilots we train."
Candidates begin with "an officer's equivalent of boot camp," he said. "Then they would put them through flight training." The U.S. has a long-standing agreement with Saudi Arabia-a key ally in the 1990-91 gulf war-to train pilots for its National Guard. Candidates are trained in air combat on several Army and Navy bases. Training is paid for by Saudi Arabia.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/911_conspiracy_theory_1.html
Granted you wont believe that either, but whatever 9/11 was an inside job man!!!!!!!!
No.
I'm saying its just an absurd "coincidence" that men trained at US military bases ... implying the US Government must have had some modicum of reason to believe that they were in someway "loyal" to American interests.
You don't find it slightly odd, or dare i say "fishy" that a full TWENTY FIVE PERCENT of the hijackers involved in the 9/11 events just happened to be trained by the government, and 3 of those 5 (about 20%) were actually trained at flight schools?
Of ALL the people in the world that could hate america and want to kill us,
it just HAPPENS to be guys trained by the US Government itself.
Thats some hell of a "blowback".
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
NEWSWEEK visited the base early Saturday morning, where military police confirmed that the address housed foreign military flight trainees but denied access past front barricades. Officials at the base confirmed that the FBI is investigating the three students.
But there are slight discrepancies between the military training records and the official FBI list of suspected hijackers-either in the spellings of their names or with their birthdates. One military source said it is possible that the hijackers may have stolen the identities of the foreign nationals who studied at the U.S. installations.
It is not unusual for foreign nationals to train at U.S. military facilities. A former Navy pilot told NEWSWEEK that during his years on the base, "we always, always, always trained other countries' pilots. When I was there two decades ago, it was Iranians. The shah was in power. Whoever the country du jour is, that's whose pilots we train."
Candidates begin with "an officer's equivalent of boot camp," he said. "Then they would put them through flight training." The U.S. has a long-standing agreement with Saudi Arabia-a key ally in the 1990-91 gulf war-to train pilots for its National Guard. Candidates are trained in air combat on several Army and Navy bases. Training is paid for by Saudi Arabia.
"What we have here is a situation of people with identical names", said Harry White, public affairs officer at the base. He said the school has had more than 1,600 people with the first name Saeed, spelled various ways, and more than 200 with the surname Alghamdi.
White maintains, however, that none of the Saeed Alghamdi students was involved with terrorist activity. "We have found no direct connection between any of the foreign students trained at NAS Pensacola and any of the terrorist suspects,? he said.
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i dont find it fishy at all... did you know that ALL of the London bombers of 7/7 were all British!!! isnt that weird... and they all knew how to use the London Underground system? ergo WE trained them how to kill those people.. its our fault!! :rolleyes:
those 9/11 pilots werent trained BY the government per se... and you should really demonstrate your point with facts!! (give me one concrete piece of evidence that they have been at a US Military Flight School)... you make it sound like the US flew them over, gave them uniforms, paid for their training, gave them pension benefits, dental insurance, family time off for company barbecues, etc.
the government takes on and trains many many thousands of people of differing nationalities all of which they either pay for themselves or their respective governments pay for them...
its like blaming Woolworths for selling Jeffrey Dahmer a hacksaw... :rolleyes:
as it has been said, the hijackers appear to have stolen other identities for this... one of the guys would have been 16 or 17 and taking flight lessons??? come on... no one lets a teenager fly military planes... and if i took a flying course and then 3 months later the guy who was on that course had his face on every news thing going saying he flew a plane into the twin towers then i'd be telling the news channels he was at a military course with me
but
1. not one photo of these guys during their courses
2. no-one who took the courses with them can remember them
3. the instructors have never come forward and said "yep, that was him"
as in my previous post... Saeed is a very common name...
We take a risk, just like the risk we took in training and supplying Saudi Arabia.
We take a risk, just like the risk we took in training and supplying Pakistan.
We take a risk, just like the risk we took in training and supplying Iran.
We take a risk, just like the risk we are now taking in training and supplying Iraq personnel.
We take a risk, just like the risk we are now taking in training and supplying the Republic of Georgia.
Is the risk worth it, that's yet to be determined as the world is still in turmoil, people are still fearful and the hate is still raising and the division among people and nations are growing stronger.