Moving from Protest to Resistance

musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited September 2007 in A Moving Train
I applaud all who attended the protests in DC over the weekend.

But the words of a 26 year old iraq war vet and leader of the Iraq vets against the war, ring true: The movement must move from protest into resistance.

He is spot on.

The protest wouldnt have even made the news if chaos hadnt ensued: people particpating in the "die in", the hundreds of people arrested, people climbing the white house fence, etc...

Lets face it: holding "no war" signs aint gonna bring the troops home. And it aint gonna end up on CNN.

The movement must move beyond protest and into resistance.

I have been an activist since 2001. And around 2006 I got pissed off at the slow pace of change. I was even more pissed at the movements lack of originiality.

Nonviolent activism, or going to your local fed building and holding vigils, is admirable. Its needed. But at some point the war needs to be stopped. And if holding signs was going to stop it, the war would have already stopped.

We would all do well to heed the veterans advice.

Resistance must become the mantra of the movement
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    and what do you define as "resistance" ?
  • i dont know frankly. But thats the whole point. The whole movement is so stagnant. Its so designated. You take "no more war" signs and wave them, hear a few speakers then head home.

    In the 60's protests were front page news. Now its rare to find a protest on CNN or ABC.

    And its only when things get chaotic, that CNN cares.

    Resistance could mean multiple things.

    But it sure as hell means thinking outside the box, and it means thinking that the movements tactics should be reevaulated.

    The movement to end the war should be just that: a movement that aims to end the war.

    What has been going on since 2003 hasnt stopped the war. Fine, we move on.

    But we dont move on by doing the same old crap again and again./

    Nonviolent protests arent ending the war. Those are the facts. Nonviolent protests arent changing policies like they did in the civil rights era and during vietnam. Thats the facts right there.

    What I hope is that people realize this and do something.

    DO SOMETHING!
  • its no wonder too. We (Generation X) are the first generation of kids after the boomers (ie the hippies who protested vietnam). So of course. We all have seen films of protests, of nonviolent protests and have begun to believe that is the only way to stop the war.

    We tried it. We tried for 4 years. Yet the war is still raging on.

    Anyone think a new strategy and new tactics are warrented?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    as long as you dont break the law, try to become dictator yourself, or involve me in any way....have at it.
  • sounds like che is finally starting to think like that murderer he chose to name himself after.
  • sounds like che is finally starting to think like that murderer he chose to name himself after.

    Yep. It sounds like he's advocating violence to stop violence. Very interesting...
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,332
    ok i'll bite.

    you will never achieve your goals with nonviolence. the notion of peaceful protest has gone the way of the dinosaur. the people that make policy decisions do not listen and they laugh at you from the confines of their secure goverment building while protesters sit in "free speech zones". now a days, if you want to make front page news, and i am not advocating any of this, but you have to riot or burn something down, or kill someone. and there are not enough people willing to do those sorts of things because self preservation is an instinct that most americans have, and most of them do not have time to risk going to jail or getting beat up by the cops.. that sort of thing cuts into "american idol" time or mall shopping time.

    the cops will be coming with clubs, shields, pepper spray, and guns, and more importantly, the authority of the state on their side. these people that advocate violent protesting had better be prepared for this. people feel it is good to protest until they begin to feel the choking sting of the pepper spray or the burn of a bullet.

    the bottom line is the media and the country as a whole DOES NOT CARE! they don't care about protesting. as long as this war is not affecting them directly they are not willing to act either in support of or against it.

    the anti war movement has no leaders. where is the abby hoffman of today? takin bong hits and thanking god he got into college rather than joining the military.

    if protesters think they are changing anything consider this. as long as O.J. and britney spears are the lead stories on the evening news, you are losing.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    DO SOMETHING!

    i would, but i've got law classes.
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    I guess you didn't like my "Miracle on 34th Street" idea?
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  • YoyoyoYoyoyo Posts: 310
    Destruction of property and vandalism would be a good step up on the way from protest>resistance.
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Mestophar wrote:
    Destruction of property and vandalism would be a good step up on the way from protest>resistance.

    Like heroin or crystal meth would be a natural step up on the way from drinking beer/smoking pot.
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  • The only way the war will end is if congress honestly thinks that their seats will be in peril if they don't end it. The only way to do that is to build a stronger majority. Yes, I know, the majority of Americans are against the war according to polls. But things need to get to the point where more moderate Republicans feel threatened. The only way to do this is for people on the hard left to stop making asses of themselves, stop calling the other side names and actually have a civil conversation with people who are either on the fence, or people they just plain disagree with. Any kind of "resistance" would ultimately go nowhere because there is no way the majority of Americans would sign up. People can believe that it was the radicals of the 60's who made changes happen but it was actually political and community organizers that got out into their community. Much of MLK's strategy was just that, a calculated strategy. He knew that Americans would never sympathize with the Nation of Islam so he built coalitions with (among others) white, Christian middle-class churches. Obviously he did the protests and marches as well, but he was a calculating dude.

    This is obviously a rant, but I just get frustrated when people talk about "revolution" is if it actually would happen. If you're that upset about things why not work on a local measure or work for a local political party or candidate. Engaging in state politics can be really rewarding.
  • will citizens stand up and vote those in congress out that refuse to stop the war? I just don't have a lot of hope that this will happen, but I'll do my part.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,209
    bump
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,209
    Interesting what your trying to say here. I attended the March on Saturday in DC and the odd thing was the image that I saw made the national news was the 200 or so protesters that crawled over and under barriers setup at the Capital Building.

    It sometimes seem to me the only attention many of these marches garner is when severe violence occurs or a death or vandalism. In the 60's Vietnam Peace protest marches gained attention mainly because there was a draft. With that draft everyone was affected in a sense and they were more willing to voice there opinion and opposition.

    "If my child has to go to war I've gonna have something to say about it". We don't have that this time around and it seems seriously that this country has been surrounded/scared into an atmosphere of FEAR. Most appear to be afraid to say "hell no we aint gonna take it no more".

    I'm not sure what will spark a desperate form of resistance to make a change but I certainly sense that a resistance/change will come...what will make it happen I do not know??

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