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A vote for Nader is a vote for peace

musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited February 2008 in A Moving Train
When I heard he was running, I was esctatic. I voted for him in 2004, he was the only candidate who was anti Iraq war.

He remains as such.

A vote for Nader and ONLY a vote for nader is a vote for peace.

Obama and Clinton still believe we should be in Iraq, both have ALTERED their positions MULTIPLE times.


Nader is the only candidate who would pull out troops, only one who believes Bush should be impeached, only one who is tough on corporate crime and believes the u.s. shouldnt be the United States of Corporations. He is the ONLY candidate who isnt funded by corporations.

As far as I am concerned, a vote for clinton or obama is a vote for more war.

Nader is the only change candidate running.

Look at Clinton and Obama's reponse to his announcement of his candidacy. They acted like if he was NOT running the issues he feels are important would be discussed and dealt with. Its the other way around in a place that I call reality. Nader talks about issues Clinton and Obama ignore.
Vote Nader in 2008! Lets end the goddamn war!
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Mike Gravel likes peace also.. Nader isn't the only one.

    Kucinich also

    probablya few more too
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    radiohead33 wrote:
    When I heard he was running, I was esctatic. I voted for him in 2004, he was the only candidate who was anti Iraq war.

    He remains as such.

    A vote for Nader and ONLY a vote for nader is a vote for peace.

    Obama and Clinton still believe we should be in Iraq, both have ALTERED their positions MULTIPLE times.


    Nader is the only candidate who would pull out troops, only one who believes Bush should be impeached, only one who is tough on corporate crime and believes the u.s. shouldnt be the United States of Corporations. He is the ONLY candidate who isnt funded by corporations.

    As far as I am concerned, a vote for clinton or obama is a vote for more war.

    Nader is the only change candidate running.

    Look at Clinton and Obama's reponse to his announcement of his candidacy. They acted like if he was NOT running the issues he feels are important would be discussed and dealt with. Its the other way around in a place that I call reality. Nader talks about issues Clinton and Obama ignore.
    Vote Nader in 2008! Lets end the goddamn war!
    Like a handful of others around these parts, you completely misunderstan Obama's (and cunton's for that matter) position on Iraq. Oh, well. Good luck with that.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    cornnifer wrote:
    Like a handful of others around these parts, you completely misunderstan Obama's (and cunton's for that matter) position on Iraq. Oh, well. Good luck with that.

    i think you are right


    cant get much cleaeer then withdrawl and no permanent bases or presence... which ibama has stated pretty clearly
  • MasterFramerMasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    A vote for Nader is a vote for Micky Mouse.
    10.31.93 / 10.1.94 / 6.24.95 / 11.4.95 / 10.19-20.96 / 7.16.98 / 7.21.98 / 10.31.00 /8.4.01 Nader Rally/ 10.21.01 / 12.8-9.02 / 6.01.03 / 9.1.05 / 7.15-16,18.06 / 7.20.06 / 7.22-23.06 / Lolla 07
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    cornnifer wrote:
    Like a handful of others around these parts, you completely misunderstan Obama's (and cunton's for that matter) position on Iraq. Oh, well. Good luck with that.


    what is obamas position on iraq than?
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    macgyver06 wrote:
    what is obamas position on iraq than?

    Look, if you don't know, you havn't been listening. i don't know why i should explain it to you now. The guy is very upfront about it. Being careful and responsible does not in any way equal "beating the war drums" as some insist . Please pay attention and give it a rest.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    america's biggest problem is that corporations are running the country and dictating policy ... so, whether you think war, environment, health care, jobs, etc are the biggest problems facing americans - you can't fix them unless you take away this principal ...

    only a vote for nader will change that ... i sympathize with those who are voting obama because of his hollywood scriptwriter or the anyone but mccain/clinton philosophy ... people are so desperate to see nobility in the white house that they are prepared to avoid what is obvious ...

    until the corporatocracy is removed from power ... all tha ails america will be ...
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    macgyver06 wrote:
    what is obamas position on iraq than?

    nuanced. which means you wouldnt be able to understand it.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    polaris wrote:
    america's biggest problem is that corporations are running the country and dictating policy ... so, whether you think war, environment, health care, jobs, etc are the biggest problems facing americans - you can't fix them unless you take away this principal ...

    only a vote for nader will change that ... i sympathize with those who are voting obama because of his hollywood scriptwriter or the anyone but mccain/clinton philosophy ... people are so desperate to see nobility in the white house that they are prepared to avoid what is obvious ...

    until the corporatocracy is removed from power ... all tha ails america will be ...

    says the canadian. since you have diagnosed us so exactly, perhaps you could give us some sort of prescription as to how we can solve the problem that has plagued every society in mankind's history... wealthy and powerful people having greater influence in society.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    soulsinging wrote:
    says the canadian. since you have diagnosed us so exactly, perhaps you could give us some sort of prescription as to how we can solve the problem that has plagued every society in mankind's history... wealthy and powerful people having greater influence in society.

    firstly - canada suffers the same problem just not the same implications

    secondly - the solution is quite simple ... don't be defeatist about it ... if you make your decisions and choices based on what you know to be true and everyone did the same ... you have real progress ... but imagine what kind of impact would happen if everyone who voted with their heart instead of what they've been told ...
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    polaris wrote:
    firstly - canada suffers the same problem just not the same implications

    secondly - the solution is quite simple ... don't be defeatist about it ... if you make your decisions and choices based on what you know to be true and everyone did the same ... you have real progress ... but imagine what kind of impact would happen if everyone who voted with their heart instead of what they've been told ...

    what if people's hearts are aligned with the positions being taken? the result is going to be the same.

    also... how are we supposed to know what is true if we ignore everything we've been told? we can't believe nader either, cos he's just telling us stuff.

    lastly, that's some serious hippy shit. if we all just voted our hearts, war would disappear forever? ever occur to you a good chunk of human hearts are ok with war?
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    soulsinging wrote:
    what if people's hearts are aligned with the positions being taken? the result is going to be the same.

    also... how are we supposed to know what is true if we ignore everything we've been told? we can't believe nader either, cos he's just telling us stuff.

    lastly, that's some serious hippy shit. if we all just voted our hearts, war would disappear forever? ever occur to you a good chunk of human hearts are ok with war?

    i would say the majority of human hearts are not in favour of war ...

    and what the heck does one mean by saying hippy shit? ...
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    polaris wrote:
    i would say the majority of human hearts are not in favour of war ...

    and what the heck does one mean by saying hippy shit? ...

    Exactly. We will evolve past war. But evolution is on a more individulaized scale now. The more of us who reject war and violence as a method to solve our problems...the more war will start to be discouraged, thought better of and eventually disappear. There will, however, always be those around us who are less evolved and we will continue to have to struggle against the olds ways until it catches on throughout the world population.

    Hippy shit and flower brigade is just some crap he throws out to discredit your point. It hardly qualifies as a counter point.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Exactly. We will evolve past war. But evolution is on a more individulaized scale now. The more of us who reject war and violence as a method to solve our problems...the more war will start to be discouraged, thought better of and eventually disappear. There will, however, always be those around us who are less evolved and we will continue to have to struggle against the olds ways until it catches on throughout the world population.

    Hippy shit and flower brigade is just some crap he throws out to discredit your point. It hardly qualifies as a counter point.
    It's like a schoolyard playground at this point, the bullies are winning. Its why the UN is so important. WE need a check on the bullies or they will always have their way, at the expense of the weak.
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