realistically what change would an Obama presidency bring?
musicismylife78
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Ignoring the obvious that his skin color would be a welcome change, what change would he enact?
How would he be any different than the same people who have been running for president for 200 years.
Obama, isn’t radical, he isn’t even left wing. He is more clintonian centrist than leftie commie pinko.
Obama is pro Nafta and pro Wto, he is pro free trade, he is against gay marriage, he is pro attacking iran and north korea, he said he couldn’t commit to pulling all troops out of iraq by the end of his first term, and still seems to believe that the cause of fighting terriorists in iraq is a noble and just cause despite the loss of life on both sides of the issue.
He isn’t saying anything about the crisis in inner city America, the fact that more black males are in jail than in college, the fact that 1 in 3 black males is in jail or on parole, the fact that crooked cops rule the day in the inner city and shoot anything that moves or has a wallet or any other object that resembles or doesn’t resemble a gun. He isn’t discussing the fact that black males are more likely than whites to be approached about joining the military, and he doesn’t talk about the drug problem in black America, and the racist criminal justice system that deems black nonviolent criminals and drug users as dangerous or more dangerous than serial killers and rapists.
In short, Obama isn’t about change. He never has been.
Back a few years on the Real World this young guy got mad at a castmate who exposed him as being promiscuous and not clean cut. This guy flipped out because he said he was planning on running for office in the future.
Same with obama and basically anyone else save Gravel, Kucinich, Paul and Nader.
The people running have been planning on running their whole lives. They have spent their entire lives crafting lies and fabrications. They don’t care about us. They care about votes. Period.
Obama, isn’t going to bring about change. He is the same old same old. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. 5 year plans and new deals wrapped in golden chains, still I wonder who will stop the rain? Don’t you know they all pretend.
How will Obama bring about change? How is his antigay, pro military, pro capitalist, pro NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO, and pro war agenda any different than the 42 or 43 other white guys who have been president before? How is his message of change any different than the millions of lies we as voters have been told since the beginning of this great American farce?
Does anyone really buy that Clinton or Obama really give a damn about anyone except themselves and their resumes?
How would he be any different than the same people who have been running for president for 200 years.
Obama, isn’t radical, he isn’t even left wing. He is more clintonian centrist than leftie commie pinko.
Obama is pro Nafta and pro Wto, he is pro free trade, he is against gay marriage, he is pro attacking iran and north korea, he said he couldn’t commit to pulling all troops out of iraq by the end of his first term, and still seems to believe that the cause of fighting terriorists in iraq is a noble and just cause despite the loss of life on both sides of the issue.
He isn’t saying anything about the crisis in inner city America, the fact that more black males are in jail than in college, the fact that 1 in 3 black males is in jail or on parole, the fact that crooked cops rule the day in the inner city and shoot anything that moves or has a wallet or any other object that resembles or doesn’t resemble a gun. He isn’t discussing the fact that black males are more likely than whites to be approached about joining the military, and he doesn’t talk about the drug problem in black America, and the racist criminal justice system that deems black nonviolent criminals and drug users as dangerous or more dangerous than serial killers and rapists.
In short, Obama isn’t about change. He never has been.
Back a few years on the Real World this young guy got mad at a castmate who exposed him as being promiscuous and not clean cut. This guy flipped out because he said he was planning on running for office in the future.
Same with obama and basically anyone else save Gravel, Kucinich, Paul and Nader.
The people running have been planning on running their whole lives. They have spent their entire lives crafting lies and fabrications. They don’t care about us. They care about votes. Period.
Obama, isn’t going to bring about change. He is the same old same old. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. 5 year plans and new deals wrapped in golden chains, still I wonder who will stop the rain? Don’t you know they all pretend.
How will Obama bring about change? How is his antigay, pro military, pro capitalist, pro NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO, and pro war agenda any different than the 42 or 43 other white guys who have been president before? How is his message of change any different than the millions of lies we as voters have been told since the beginning of this great American farce?
Does anyone really buy that Clinton or Obama really give a damn about anyone except themselves and their resumes?
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So what's he going to change? Maybe nothing? Maybe everything? But when you look at the rest of the field what are the rest of them going to change. I believe Barrack gives us the best chance at bridging the relationship between the parties. I think he gives us the best chance at withdrawing from Iraq. i think he gives us the best chance at repairing relationships with other nations and possibly healing some of these relationships as well.
You know these guys have to work within the process but if they seem to be genuine and truthfully looking to improve our lives what else can you ask for.
I think his attitude alone will bring about a change. First off, I believe having anyone but George in office will do wonders. With Barack, you get a great orator who will be popular on the world stage, perhaps restoring a bit of respect for this nation. I'm an RP guy, but I've gotta say that Barack brings with him just this sense of hope that things will be ok. I know that that doesn't do anything for reducing debt, shrinking government, etc...but what it does do is gives people faith again in their nation. When you have a president like George no one has faith in this nation. I'm convinced we're in deep shit because we have a leader who has no chance of pulling us out of it. With a guy like Obama, Americans won't feel that way. Those positive feelings can lead to stronger consumer spending, more community participation, demanding more from our congress. Words alone can make a difference and, if there's one thing we know Barack has, it's a strong grasp on the power and usage of words. The fact he hasn't taken a dime in campaign contributions speaks volumes to me.
could you be anymore WRONG? you need to check your facts before you go spouting off on things you clearly have no clue about
does this sound like he's pro NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO?
Trade
Obama believes that trade with foreign nations should strengthen the American economy and create more American jobs. He will stand firm against agreements that undermine our economic security.
Fight for Fair Trade: Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.
Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Obama would update the existing system of Trade Adjustment Assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts to help workers retrain, and providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.
does this sound like he's wants to attack Iran and North Korea?
Renewing American Diplomacy
The Problem: The United States is trapped by the Bush-Cheney approach to diplomacy that refuses to talk to leaders we don't like. Not talking doesn't make us look tough – it makes us look arrogant, it denies us opportunities to make progress, and it makes it harder for America to rally international support for our leadership. On challenges ranging from terrorism to disease, nuclear weapons to climate change, we cannot make progress unless we can draw on strong international support.
Talk to our Foes and Friends: Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe. He will do the careful preparation necessary, but will signal that America is ready to come to the table, and that he is willing to lead. And if America is willing to come to the table, the world will be more willing to rally behind American leadership to deal with challenges like terrorism, and Iran and North Korea's nuclear programs
does this sound like he wants the war in Iraq to continue?
Bring Our Troops Home: Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats.
does this sound like he hasn't addressed inner-city problems?
End Racial Profiling
Obama will ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies and provide federal incentives to state and local police departments to prohibit the practice.
Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender Support
Obama will provide job training, substance abuse and mental health counseling to ex-offenders, so that they are successfully re-integrated into society. Obama will also create a prison-to-work incentive program to improve ex-offender employment and job retention rates.
Eliminate Sentencing Disparities
Obama believes the disparity between sentencing crack and powder-based cocaine is wrong and should be completely eliminated.
Expand Use of Drug Courts
Obama will give first-time, non-violent offenders a chance to serve their sentence, where appropriate, in the type of drug rehabilitation programs that have proven to work better than a prison term in changing bad behavior.
Tackle Concentrated Poverty
Establish 20 Promise Neighborhoods: Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in areas that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement in cities across the nation. The Promise Neighborhoods will be modeled after the Harlem Children's Zone, which provides a full network of services, including early childhood education, youth violence prevention efforts and after-school activities, to an entire neighborhood from birth to college.
Ensure Community-Based Investment Resources in Every Urban Community: Obama will work with community and business leaders to identify and address the unique economic development barriers of every major metropolitan area. Obama will provide additional resources to the federal Community Development Financial Institution Fund, the Small Business Administration and other federal agencies, especially to their local branch offices, to address community needs
take a look
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
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Yeah... I was going to start to address the inaccuracies in that first post, but it would take way too long, and I have a feeling that the original poster would believe what he/she believes anyway.
Wait - Even better, I see prism did all the work for me
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
no biggie....now you just owe me your first-born
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Does that count as change?
always a rock solid source of comparison, especially in this context
Yeah, clearly he didn't do much of any research before he posted that.
Maybe he considers reading a rant on a Ron Paul message board as doing research?
Absolutely Not! He was just born 2 weeks ago, and I'm awfully attached to him
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
but he's so cute!
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Barack Hussein Obama sucks.......
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he actually voted to fund the War, by not voting at all.......
can't you see what he is all about???????
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
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thank you... i didnt have the patience to do it
not to mention he has the most liberal voting record in the senate since he entered that office
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
WTF?
C'mon let's try again. That ploy has become very tiresome.
you're welcome
I don't mind when someone disagrees or dislikes where/how a candidate (or anyone for that matter) stands on the issues. but I do take exception when they spout lies and falsehoods about them.
sometimes you kinda have to bean people upside the head with the truth
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people are only concerned about brittney spears and american idol. trying to inform yourself about all of the candidates (all five of them) would require some effort, and god forbid some critical thinking....
people are spreading these lies about obama because they have nothing on him. when you have nothing on him and no evidence of any wrongdoing, it is much easier to just make shit up and make him deny those allegations instead of talking about the issues. that is the first rule of discrediting your political opponents.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Peace,
Bu2