I have the utmost respect for my grandparents generation. We have no idea of what hardship is. My grandfather picked beans at the age of 15 and lost his eyes in France at 21. I am well aware of the sacrifices made by those before me.
I find it somewhat self-absorbed though for young people to have this whole "whoa-is-me" the world is coming to an end attitude. Take a step back, and realize where you are in the history of the world. Just like everyone before you, you have dreams and goals, so pursue them.
is it whoa, or woe? I honestly don't know. It's the end of the semester and I've been up for 95 consecutive hours.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
he sounds deluded to me. calling for armed revolution on a pearl jam msg board and saying grunge was a political movement? im still waiting to see what this huge impact the riots had on the WTO was. i musta missed that article.
He's young and has a lot to learn but I hope he never loses his heart, just learns how to use it a little better with a bit more focus on what CAN be done.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
im in the midst of law school finals, so i feel you on being pretty scattered.
What year? I hear the bar is a ... well not fun. I thought about law school...but i can seriously talk about how the house majority and speaker can control the agenda and where they get their power from (yeah...people are starting to go to sleep now) so I chose grad school instead.
BTW - chicago is a great city...there's a poli sci conference there every year...it's the perfect size city...not too big (like NYC), but lot's to do. The food man...ohhhhhh the food.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
no worries< i hear ya> in fact your grandparent"s generation is my parents generation>>>>>so i know full well what their sacrifices were> my father fought in ww@ and my oldest sister would be considered a "boomer">>>as would most of my first cousins as i am the youngest of em all< by quite a large margin>
i am all for wanting to do better< but i think energy is far better directed at "doing better">>>rather than simply laying blame on the generations before> you fo course weren"t doing that< i think we both are in agreement>>>but yes< the original post just put a sour and bitter taste in my mouth> i am all for working towards all the things he wishes for< so work for them>>>>stop bitching about what others didn"t do>>>and work towards doing it yourself then> countless generations have come before< so yea>>>>>
and _ i have no idea wtf is the matter with my computer> i have restarted @x now and it is wonky! crap>
What year? I hear the bar is a ... well not fun. I thought about law school...but i can seriously talk about how the house majority and speaker can control the agenda and where they get their power from (yeah...people are starting to go to sleep now) so I chose grad school instead.
BTW - chicago is a great city...there's a poli sci conference there every year...it's the perfect size city...not too big (like NYC), but lot's to do. The food man...ohhhhhh the food.
i didnt think it was a whole lot smaller than nyc. but it feels much smaller cos it's more centralized. im a 1L, so my first year. it's tough, but i love it. i wont be worrying about the bar for a while yet thank god!
i didnt think it was a whole lot smaller than nyc. but it feels much smaller cos it's more centralized. im a 1L, so my first year. it's tough, but i love it. i wont be worrying about the bar for a while yet thank god!
I have a theory on the bar exam. Everyone has heard about how hard it is, but I think it's all a big conspiracy by lawyers ... they TELL us how hard it is so we'll be impressed. This is the only way I've been able to explain to myself how so many idiots are running around practicing law.
In other words, you're gonna ace the thing
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I have a theory on the bar exam. Everyone has heard about how hard it is, but I think it's all a big conspiracy by lawyers ... they TELL us how hard it is so we'll be impressed. This is the only way I've been able to explain to myself how so many idiots are running around practicing law.
In other words, you're gonna ace the thing
i think so too. so far ive been underwhelmed with the first year. people made it sound like it's hellish and impossible. it hasnt been. it might have something to do with my classmates who arent the type-a assholes at most law schools. im also pretty stress-resistant. plus, a lot of it comes naturally to me
no worries< i hear ya> in fact your grandparent"s generation is my parents generation>>>>>so i know full well what their sacrifices were> my father fought in ww@ and my oldest sister would be considered a "boomer">>>as would most of my first cousins as i am the youngest of em all< by quite a large margin>
i am all for wanting to do better< but i think energy is far better directed at "doing better">>>rather than simply laying blame on the generations before> you fo course weren"t doing that< i think we both are in agreement>>>but yes< the original post just put a sour and bitter taste in my mouth> i am all for working towards all the things he wishes for< so work for them>>>>stop bitching about what others didn"t do>>>and work towards doing it yourself then> countless generations have come before< so yea>>>>>
and _ i have no idea wtf is the matter with my computer> i have restarted @x now and it is wonky! crap>
yes, your computer has apparently had a fine dish prepared by taco bell that may have or may have not contained scallions.
i do like @x as a shortcut...i'm not sure how, but it seems like it has potential.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I look at them now as a bunch of sell out yuppies. They set out in the 60's to change society and the world. They wanted to stop the war, end patriarchy and wanted to get women more equal in society, they wanted to end the destruction of mother earth. They felt that the world was made of people like their parents generation who were more worried about work and money. They were searching for making a difference as opposed to making loads of loot.
Then they all turned yuppie and sold out. I cant think of many former hippies who are now still preaching as they did in the 60's. John kerry certainly isnt making a major fuss about the current war as he did in the 1960's and 1970's when he threw his medal in Washington over the fence. He sold out, you really think the john kerry of 1970 is the same kerry now? hell now.
My parents sold out as well, they took jobs. Their jobs aren't political, and talking to them they arent into selling all furniture and moving to India. They are into buying cars, tv's, phones and other useless crap. Especially now, you see many people many parents like Cindy Sheehan suggesting that they will not rest until the war is ended and all troops are home. Not my parents, and not the boomers. They dont care.
The majority of senators and Congressman, and the last few presidents have been Boomers. You dont see them trying to stop the imprisonment of African Americans, or trying to stop police brutailty, or trying to save the environment, or trying to bring all troops home. Boomers dont care. They care about Medicare, and Social Security but thats it.
I am in many ways ashamed to be an American and ashamed to identify as a modern day Hippie, the old hippies give it a bad name.
Our generation has it way harder than generations past:
-40 countries in a matter of years will have nuclear capabilities ((in the 60's they only had to worry about one country Russia)
-Global Warming (True it was ongoing in the 60's, but our generation will live to see its wrath and outcome most analysts predict its effects will show itself in the next couple decades).
-Rising U.S. debt (passed on, and on the previous generation didnt pay it off, guess who has to pay for it now)
-Doctors bills, medical bills, treatment bills of returning Iraq War vets. (Analysts say that the returning Iraq Vets have higher rates of mental illness than in previous wars)
-Our generation will most likely be the first generation to see the extinction of many species (salmon, polar bears, all fish, all trees etc...)
My question is what the hell happened? Why did the hippies turn their backs on their ideals, and get jobs and not care about what happens in the world.
I dont think the boomers give a damn about anything that happens to our generation. Who the hell do you think sent troops to iraq? Who the hell is cutting down all the trees? It aint our generation!!
Its becoming clearer and clearer that the only solution is revolution, a complete restructuring of society, and kicking out all boomers and getting 20 year olds in office who would be more likely to vote for our generations ideals. Or another option is to wait for the death of all boomers, I dont see them doing anything to help us. They are hurting our world. The problem with waiting for all their deaths is that it is wasting precious time. If most scientists predict all North Pole ice is gone by 2040, and all fish are extinct by 2050, and global warming effects the world completely in 20 years, waiting is killing us and does no good.
The revolution must start now. We as a generation shouldnt let down the next generation, like our parents did. We can and will change the world.
Every generation gets a chance, one shot to change society, to start the revolution. Our parents tried and failed. They are liars. Our generation is already starting to crumble, the school shootings are a good example. The WTO riots in 1999 in Seattle were all our generation and prove our generation isnt a bunch of apathetic idiots, our generation had an effect on that date.
Yet that cant be all our generation has to say and do, right?
Come on y'all lets take our world back!
We only get one shot at this, are we really willing to just sit by and watch everything happen? Are we willing to let salmon get killed off?
When this thing starts going, the revolution, I will be there, smiling, holding garden tools, tearing up the concrete and roads, ripping all that up.
Our world is being murdered, are you really willing to just sit there, and do nothing? We must save mother earth, because we have to.
SET IT OFF!!! RISE!!!
As a Gen X person let me give you some perspective. I discovered Pearl Jam in High School. Was it the politics involved that got me listening? Uh . . . No.
It was just better than listening to Bon Jovi and PM Dawn.
It definitely had some political themes, but was not trying to directly be political. The only bands that are political to me are RATM, The Clash, Minor Threat, SOAD, and Dylan. Last I checked none of those artists are "Grunge"
In college I ate shrooms and smoked much Herb & attended no PETA rallies, or tried to get people signed up for OSPRIG. Now I work in the "corporate" atmosphere. Does any of this mean that I didn't or don't care about society or our future? Does it make me a sell out?
When I went down to U of O (which is where you most likely going to school) Was everyone down there rallying for change? Um . . . no again. Everyone was listening to "grunge" passing the binger around and getting drunk for the Duck football game.
YEAHHH I'm with you brother, lets take this country back god dammnit, please Che, lead us into the utopia that of which is Communism. Come on everybody lets do this, it starts right here right now.
guess what? all those people who listened to grunge? climbing the corporate ladder right now. the outraged 20-somethings who ARENT ruining the planet and running corporations? havent been promoted yet. give them 20 years, they'll be right up front and so will you. it's easy to talk about not getting a job and revolution when you're a teenager posting on your mom's computer. but once you start having to pay bills, your che guevera wannabe revolutionary verve will die out plenty quick.
Tad Doyle of "Tad" has now ventured into corporate real estate, or something along those lines. I'm serious. After Hog Molly fell through I guess he just gave up. But can you blame him?
I completely agree about ed. He is a true hero. Whenever your parents or friends speak of "stereotypical rock stars who party, take drugs and exploit women" we know we can tell that that isnt representative of all rock stars and that ed has resisted all that, and resisted fame for 15 plus years. He truely is an inspiration. His songs changed my life and he is a inspiration to us all.
Ed was a fame seeker since day one!
"Model, roll model, roll some models in blood. Get some shit to stick so they look like us. I shit and I stick I'm real join the club. I'd stop and talk but I'm already in love."
Then he goes and dumps his love for, of all things, A MODEL! HA!
"Model, roll model, roll some models in blood. Get some shit to stick so they look like us. I shit and I stick I'm real join the club. I'd stop and talk but I'm already in love."
Then he goes and dumps his love for, of all things, A MODEL! HA!
Fucking hypocrite :rolleyes:
i got the impression from his interview that his wife dumped him...
I look at them now as a bunch of sell out yuppies.
My parents sold out as well, they took jobs.
Our generation has it way harder than generations past:
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Its becoming clearer and clearer that the only solution is revolution, a complete restructuring of society, and kicking out all boomers and getting 20 year olds in office who would be more likely to vote for our generations ideals.
The revolution must start now. We can and will change the world.
Come on y'all lets take our world back!
When this thing starts going, the revolution, I will be there, smiling, holding garden tools, tearing up the concrete and roads, ripping all that up.
Our world is being murdered, are you really willing to just sit there, and do nothing? We must save mother earth, because we have to.
SET IT OFF!!! RISE!!!
HaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaa,,,,,,,,,some funny shit you coming out with.
our/my/your generation????? todays 20year olds are just as vacuous and materialistic as ever. Put 20year olds in office???? like your `generation` are so entrenched in green issues and philanthropy!!! its like saying put women in control and there would be an end to world conflict.
Grunge was nothing more than another direction of rock music. Just because Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden etc etc are political, doesnt mean that everyone who enjoys the music is political, or doesnt mean they share the same views as these guys. The reason it took off like it did was because the majority of mainstream rock music back in the late 80s early 90s sucked, and many of the seattle bands brought about quality music. It had nothing to do with politics, and turned into nothing more than a fashion statement within a few fears.
That's true. The proof is on this board if Grunge was/is about politics we wouldn't be talking about it. I also think that not every Pearl jam fan share the same view as the band. I mean I'm not a vegetarian and I'm not a member from Earth First and I like the music. I'm sure that not every PJ fan share the same point of view about the american politics and g.w.bush. ( I do )
Beavis : Is this Pearl Jam?
Butt-head: This guy makes faces like Eddie Vedder.
Beavis: No, Eddie Vedder makes faces like this guy.
Butt-head: I heard these guys, like, came first and Pearl Jam ripped them off.
Beavis: No, Pearl Jam came first.
Butt-head: Well, they both suck.
I only need look at the lives of my grandparents as do most persons today to understand the choices available........not to mention healthcare, travel, education, modern amenities
I only need look at the lives of my grandparents as do most persons today to understand the choices available........not to mention healthcare, travel, education, modern amenities
I see those things and I think they're truly wonderful but I don't think this generation has it easier than ever.
Yeah, the Boomers suck. But what are you gonna do? You can only fight the fight long enough, and when you finally have no energy left, and finally realize you are powerless to the way things are, you join 'em. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. And that's what the hippies-turned-yuppies did.
I think a lot of the hippies (from back in the day) think that they were actually doing something to change the world with all their bullshit. In reality, most of them were probably just being burnt out and lazy, and called it "protest."
Whatever, I got no problem with that...
What pisses me off is that they don't cut anyone any slack today for doin the shit that they used to do. That's hypocritical.
The best examples are the idiots who tell you the stories about them hangin out with all their friends, gettin bombed, and lauging about driving home drunk across 3 states and wrapping their car around a tree... but they all walk away, and do it again a week later. Now tell these same people that you drive home moderately under the influence from the bar 1/4 mile from your house, and they say, "YEAH MAN. YOU SHOULDN'T DRIVE DRUNK... YOU COULD HURT SOMEBODY."
I'm not sayin we should be allowed to drive under the influence. They shouldn't have either... But they cut you no slack.... On anything (underage drinking, pot, sex, even just pullin pranks on people) Does anyone else know people like this?
Anyway, they all crack down on the next generation. Is it possible that the generation they spawned are that much worse? Maybe a lot of today's kids are fucked up because of all the drugs and shit their parents did?
To the orginal thread starter: You got a really radical stance on all this. I understand a lot of what you're saying, and agree with a lot of it. However, if you want anyone to take you seriously, you might want to say it all in a different way. Maybe a less "hippie" way, as you put it. I personally understand you because I've thought this way before myself (somewhat.)
I think a lot of people are gonna have you pegged to be drivin a Beemer in 30 years like the people you're lashing out against. I couldn't tell you myself, cause I don't know ya. Callin people sell-outs for getting jobs-- not helpin your case. I don't care who you are, you need a job to live in this world... Even if it is workin in the head shop, it's a job.
guess what? all those people who listened to grunge? climbing the corporate ladder right now. the outraged 20-somethings who ARENT ruining the planet and running corporations? havent been promoted yet. give them 20 years, they'll be right up front and so will you. it's easy to talk about not getting a job and revolution when you're a teenager posting on your mom's computer. but once you start having to pay bills, your che guevera wannabe revolutionary verve will die out plenty quick.
aww, that's really depressing. we're not all climbing the corporate ladder. in fact, some of us were in one corporation or another and realized we needed to get out quick (and it's not happening fast enough!). it can be difficult to avoid corporations because they're everywhere, but some of us are in nonprofits, academia, indie media, or starting our own businesses, etc. some are lucky to pay their bills that way. not all of us value the corporate ladder lifestyle. you can pay bills without a corporate climbing position. they just probably look a little different.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
aww, that's really depressing. we're not all climbing the corporate ladder. in fact, some of us were in one corporation or another and realized we needed to get out quick (and it's not happening fast enough!). it can be difficult to avoid corporations because they're everywhere, but some of us are in nonprofits, academia, indie media, or starting our own businesses, etc. some are lucky to pay their bills that way. not all of us value the corporate ladder lifestyle. you can pay bills without a corporate climbing position. they just probably look a little different.
but you've still got a job and you still pay bills. and apparently to him that is selling out and joining the man. didja read his post? if you have a job, you're part of the problem. if you do anything besides quit your job, quit paying bills to show the man, and join the revolution (current membership: 1), then you're part of the machine man.
my sole comfort is that he was probly on lsd when he wrote it. god knows ive gone on rants like that on a long trip.
but you've still got a job and you still pay bills. and apparently to him that is selling out and joining the man. didja read his post? if you have a job, you're part of the problem. if you do anything besides quit your job, quit paying bills to show the man, and join the revolution (current membership: 1), then you're part of the machine man.
my sole comfort is that he was probly on lsd when he wrote it. god knows ive gone on rants like that on a long trip.
i was just responding to the corporate sentiment in your post. it, uh, struck a chord. i don't advocate not having a job. if you're lucky, you can have a job that actually does change things and does good work.
a complete, fast revolution is a little unrealistic. change seems to happen slowly. and i'd like to add that there are some older people who are still doing that. there are some so-called second wavers that are still impacting society. and personally, i don't think they were hippies, but that's me.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
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woe is me... arent you a grad student?
is it whoa, or woe? I honestly don't know. It's the end of the semester and I've been up for 95 consecutive hours.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
He's young and has a lot to learn but I hope he never loses his heart, just learns how to use it a little better with a bit more focus on what CAN be done.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
woe... as in "my terrible tale of woe"
im in the midst of law school finals, so i feel you on being pretty scattered.
What year? I hear the bar is a ... well not fun. I thought about law school...but i can seriously talk about how the house majority and speaker can control the agenda and where they get their power from (yeah...people are starting to go to sleep now) so I chose grad school instead.
BTW - chicago is a great city...there's a poli sci conference there every year...it's the perfect size city...not too big (like NYC), but lot's to do. The food man...ohhhhhh the food.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
i am all for wanting to do better< but i think energy is far better directed at "doing better">>>rather than simply laying blame on the generations before> you fo course weren"t doing that< i think we both are in agreement>>>but yes< the original post just put a sour and bitter taste in my mouth> i am all for working towards all the things he wishes for< so work for them>>>>stop bitching about what others didn"t do>>>and work towards doing it yourself then> countless generations have come before< so yea>>>>>
and _ i have no idea wtf is the matter with my computer> i have restarted @x now and it is wonky! crap>
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
i didnt think it was a whole lot smaller than nyc. but it feels much smaller cos it's more centralized. im a 1L, so my first year. it's tough, but i love it. i wont be worrying about the bar for a while yet thank god!
In other words, you're gonna ace the thing
-Enoch Powell
i think so too. so far ive been underwhelmed with the first year. people made it sound like it's hellish and impossible. it hasnt been. it might have something to do with my classmates who arent the type-a assholes at most law schools. im also pretty stress-resistant. plus, a lot of it comes naturally to me
yes, your computer has apparently had a fine dish prepared by taco bell that may have or may have not contained scallions.
i do like @x as a shortcut...i'm not sure how, but it seems like it has potential.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
As a Gen X person let me give you some perspective. I discovered Pearl Jam in High School. Was it the politics involved that got me listening? Uh . . . No.
It was just better than listening to Bon Jovi and PM Dawn.
It definitely had some political themes, but was not trying to directly be political. The only bands that are political to me are RATM, The Clash, Minor Threat, SOAD, and Dylan. Last I checked none of those artists are "Grunge"
In college I ate shrooms and smoked much Herb & attended no PETA rallies, or tried to get people signed up for OSPRIG. Now I work in the "corporate" atmosphere. Does any of this mean that I didn't or don't care about society or our future? Does it make me a sell out?
When I went down to U of O (which is where you most likely going to school) Was everyone down there rallying for change? Um . . . no again. Everyone was listening to "grunge" passing the binger around and getting drunk for the Duck football game.
The world is what you make it my friend.
When do we get our guns?
yes. apparently it IS true; third time's a charm. then, miraculously, fixed.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Tad Doyle of "Tad" has now ventured into corporate real estate, or something along those lines. I'm serious. After Hog Molly fell through I guess he just gave up. But can you blame him?
http://www.answers.com/topic/tad-1
Ed was a fame seeker since day one!
"Model, roll model, roll some models in blood. Get some shit to stick so they look like us. I shit and I stick I'm real join the club. I'd stop and talk but I'm already in love."
Then he goes and dumps his love for, of all things, A MODEL! HA!
Fucking hypocrite :rolleyes:
i got the impression from his interview that his wife dumped him...
It is 'woe'. Woe meaning profound sadness and misery, and 'whoa' being something you'd say to your horse.
95 hours - ouch.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
our/my/your generation????? todays 20year olds are just as vacuous and materialistic as ever. Put 20year olds in office???? like your `generation` are so entrenched in green issues and philanthropy!!! its like saying put women in control and there would be an end to world conflict.
your generation has it easier than ever!
How?
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That's true. The proof is on this board if Grunge was/is about politics we wouldn't be talking about it.
Butt-head: This guy makes faces like Eddie Vedder.
Beavis: No, Eddie Vedder makes faces like this guy.
Butt-head: I heard these guys, like, came first and Pearl Jam ripped them off.
Beavis: No, Pearl Jam came first.
Butt-head: Well, they both suck.
I see those things and I think they're truly wonderful but I don't think this generation has it easier than ever.
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I think a lot of the hippies (from back in the day) think that they were actually doing something to change the world with all their bullshit. In reality, most of them were probably just being burnt out and lazy, and called it "protest."
Whatever, I got no problem with that...
What pisses me off is that they don't cut anyone any slack today for doin the shit that they used to do. That's hypocritical.
The best examples are the idiots who tell you the stories about them hangin out with all their friends, gettin bombed, and lauging about driving home drunk across 3 states and wrapping their car around a tree... but they all walk away, and do it again a week later. Now tell these same people that you drive home moderately under the influence from the bar 1/4 mile from your house, and they say, "YEAH MAN. YOU SHOULDN'T DRIVE DRUNK... YOU COULD HURT SOMEBODY."
I'm not sayin we should be allowed to drive under the influence. They shouldn't have either... But they cut you no slack.... On anything (underage drinking, pot, sex, even just pullin pranks on people) Does anyone else know people like this?
Anyway, they all crack down on the next generation. Is it possible that the generation they spawned are that much worse? Maybe a lot of today's kids are fucked up because of all the drugs and shit their parents did?
To the orginal thread starter: You got a really radical stance on all this. I understand a lot of what you're saying, and agree with a lot of it. However, if you want anyone to take you seriously, you might want to say it all in a different way. Maybe a less "hippie" way, as you put it. I personally understand you because I've thought this way before myself (somewhat.)
I think a lot of people are gonna have you pegged to be drivin a Beemer in 30 years like the people you're lashing out against. I couldn't tell you myself, cause I don't know ya. Callin people sell-outs for getting jobs-- not helpin your case. I don't care who you are, you need a job to live in this world... Even if it is workin in the head shop, it's a job.
Anyway, rock on brother.
aww, that's really depressing. we're not all climbing the corporate ladder. in fact, some of us were in one corporation or another and realized we needed to get out quick (and it's not happening fast enough!). it can be difficult to avoid corporations because they're everywhere, but some of us are in nonprofits, academia, indie media, or starting our own businesses, etc. some are lucky to pay their bills that way. not all of us value the corporate ladder lifestyle. you can pay bills without a corporate climbing position. they just probably look a little different.
cross the river to the eastside
but you've still got a job and you still pay bills. and apparently to him that is selling out and joining the man. didja read his post? if you have a job, you're part of the problem. if you do anything besides quit your job, quit paying bills to show the man, and join the revolution (current membership: 1), then you're part of the machine man.
my sole comfort is that he was probly on lsd when he wrote it. god knows ive gone on rants like that on a long trip.
i was just responding to the corporate sentiment in your post. it, uh, struck a chord. i don't advocate not having a job. if you're lucky, you can have a job that actually does change things and does good work.
a complete, fast revolution is a little unrealistic. change seems to happen slowly. and i'd like to add that there are some older people who are still doing that. there are some so-called second wavers that are still impacting society. and personally, i don't think they were hippies, but that's me.
cross the river to the eastside