Whats everyones take on Obama and Hilary

musicismylife78
musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
There recent turn about and hardline stance against the war and refusal to sign funding for the war?

Some of us on here were against the war and the funding from BEFORE the war started.

As I always said. To win in 2008 the future president MUST win the antiwar vote.

Will Obama and Hilary get a free pass on this?
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    If they get enought people to believe they're actually anti war.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    There recent turn about and hardline stance against the war and refusal to sign funding for the war?

    Some of us on here were against the war and the funding from BEFORE the war started.

    As I always said. To win in 2008 the future president MUST win the antiwar vote.

    Will Obama and Hilary get a free pass on this?
    Obama was against the war from the start, and said so during his Senate campaign ... which was a pretty risky campaign maneuver, if you remember the atmosphere at that time.

    Clinton, on the other hand .....
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • frusciante89
    frusciante89 Posts: 125
    Barack Obama, I really think this man has alot to offer when he is president. Has the leadership skills in a president we have not seen in a long time, his is a liberal(+ in my opinion), been antiwar from the start, honest (admitted drug use in is teenage years), you cant attack the man on his Christian values, seems to commited in changing health care and improving school. I'm curious to how you can dislike the man. IMO Hilary Clinton has nothing on him and should clearly make it to the oval office.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Both Clinton and Obama were against an immediate pullout. I'm not sure what they're saying now but when the polls showed the american people wanted us out of Iraq, they both began to change their tune rather quickly. Who knows what they really will do...it seems to me that if they were so genuine about ending this war NOW, they would have been saying this months ago. Obama, at one point, had said we should stay there until the insurgency was defeated (and when will that be??). I just don't trust them, they seem to only say things when they think it's what the people want to hear not because it's how they really feel...you know, the same old run of the mill politicians that make us all wanna puke. Once one of them weasels their way into office we'll see how much 'change' they bring about.


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=4_fDiESXm7M
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    they both suck

    wasn't hillary wal-mart's lawyer when they lived in arkansas?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    frusciante89 wrote:
    Barack Obama, I really think this man has alot to offer when he is president. Has the leadership skills in a president we have not seen in a long time, his is a liberal(+ in my opinion), been antiwar from the start, honest (admitted drug use in is teenage years), you cant attack the man on his Christian values, seems to commited in changing health care and improving school. I'm curious to how you can dislike the man. IMO Hilary Clinton has nothing on him and should clearly make it to the oval office.


    "Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.....I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars" - Barack Obama

    does he get to define what a 'dumb war' is? what if i think attacking iran, which he supports, is a 'dumb war'??
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    great post elkabong.

    Thats why I dislike obama. That is the reason in a single post.

    He isnt opposed to sending troops to iran and north korea.

    Sure its great that people want our troops out of iraq, but sending troops back into combat in North Korea and Iran is just plain stupid.

    I hate Bush, and will be glad when he is gone, but leand he is a complete idiots, but lets face it folks, even bush isnt stupid enough to start a war with iran and north korea!
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    ..........
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Politicians. Therefore I don't have respect for them.

    As for Hillary, I honestly believe that there is not a single issue she actually cares about. I don't think she cares about you or me, or global warming, or the troops dying in Iraq, the Iraqis dying; she just wants to be in the White House.

    Obama seems more typical.
    In the shadow of the light from a black sun
    Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
    Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
    I'm freezing

    Are you afraid, afraid to die
    Don't be afraid, afraid to try
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Dumb and dumber...

    .
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    hippiemom wrote:
    Obama was against the war from the start, and said so during his Senate campaign ... which was a pretty risky campaign maneuver, if you remember the atmosphere at that time.

    Clinton, on the other hand .....



    indeed.


    clinton truly disappoints me. once upon a time, i truly supported her. when she got labelled with the whole carpet-bagger status for running for the senate in my state, i supported her b/c i truly did believe she really had such a passion and drive, really wanted to do something to affect change, etc. i think nowadays, she simply soooo wants to be in the game, get the white house...that she'll just about say or do anything. it's a shame. she IS such an intelligent woman, she has the chops....but yea....it's almost like she's too eager, and for all the wrong reasons. obama, i wait to see what develops and what i think, along with everyone else.
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


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  • korby
    korby Posts: 298
    im not sure i like that guy. what do i care. i am canadian
    its ok

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