What has Obama changed by being nominated?
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Becoming the first African American nominee for president and a 50 50 shot at the office now, beyond the obvious that his skin color is different than the other 42 presidents, what has he changed?
He isnt radical in any measure. He isnt a left winger. He is a moderate.
He isnt against war. He is against the iraq war, but will not pull troops out of afghanistan. he believes american military might is justified in tracking down alqaeda. he believes might is right in stopping syria, and north korea.
He has said he isnt a pacifist. He isnt radical in racial measures. he isnt radical in economic issues.
Obama if elected will be the same liar that has always been elected. The difference being this time people actually think he is different
He isnt radical in any measure. He isnt a left winger. He is a moderate.
He isnt against war. He is against the iraq war, but will not pull troops out of afghanistan. he believes american military might is justified in tracking down alqaeda. he believes might is right in stopping syria, and north korea.
He has said he isnt a pacifist. He isnt radical in racial measures. he isnt radical in economic issues.
Obama if elected will be the same liar that has always been elected. The difference being this time people actually think he is different
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hmm, if you had left your last line off I would have thought you supported Obama
McCain isn't the same as Obama, not by a long shot.
here's the question:
Do you want the guy who wants to bring the troops home even though he knows it's not realistic, or do you want the guy who says we will definately be in iraq for 100 years?
wow. i think you actually convinced me to vote for him.
So the choice is between someone who is fooling himself (and his supporters) or another war lord?
Saying something while you know it's unrealistic is what we call a bullshitter here, a liar, a smooth talking politician. Promises but no delivery.
But tell me, what's so "unrealistic" about bringing the troops home anyway?
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They can't bring the troops home till Terrorism is defeated. Or until American interests are dried up. Whichever comes first. :rolleyes:
That is a flat out lie about McCain's 100 years quote. I can not stand when people make shit up to pretend they have a point.
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Mcbama...
what an AIPAC shill
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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he wouldn't bring them home, he'd send them to afghanistan and elsewhere as well as keeping troops there to fight al qaeda and other things...before he talked about how we needed to keep a permanent presence in iraq "to let iran and syria know we're serious" and had to keep all the troops in iraq until we defeated the insurgency.... it seems like it all depends on the audience obama is talking to. when it's the liberals he wants the troops home, when it's a conservative radio show he's not against war, it's just that we didn't finish the one in afghanistan first...
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
If he actually believes this -- and I'm not nearly as convinced as you are that he does -- then I like Obama a little more already. I would be scared shitless for our nation if he DIDN'T think this way.
You can't be "against war" if your enemies are for it.
for the least they could possibly do
um ...McCain never said we will "definitely" be in Iraq for 100 years. Let's try to be accurate here.
for the least they could possibly do
I agree. I'd be concerned if a president DIDN'T think that military force was justified in response to an actual terrorist attack. I am not speaking of Iraq, of course.
I LOVE it! More conservatives seeing the Obama charm! and that doesn't make any lefties stop and wonder about that for a moment?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Oh, I'll never vote for him. But he sure is handsome ...
for the least they could possibly do
I know you won't but I'm only pointing out the difference in your ideology and that of the typical liberal....and how odd it is that you guys both seem to not mind Obama's foreign policy plans.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Besides it's so easy to gain it in this country.
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i dunno about that. call me an optimist, but i think it could well be a different scenario than you might think, at least i hope so. i know i live in a county that had serious, serious debts...ridiculous actually, especially for how high our taxes are, some of the highest in the nation. amazing too....dems get blamed for always raising taxes....yet republicans tend to spend, spend, spend...and just get into debt. and yes, that IS what happened in my county....we had ridiculous debt b/c the reps in office kept spending funds we didn't have. we had crazy taxes anyway, but it wasn't enough for what they did....and insane debt, almost ruined the county. so yes, our taxes DID get raised somewhat, again...but amazingly, paying down our debts, improving services, investing in the community, etc.....and all/most got relelected too.
i think most people, when they see positive change and improvements to their quality of life, WILL still support those who begin and continue such changes, even if yes...they did have to outlay more. funny too, there also was an 'evening out' between wealthy and not so wealthy areas....b/c the wealthy properties were NOT paying in as much as they should've...and now they are.
kinda like how after clinton's presidency, there actually was a budget surplus....yet i thought dems always tax, tax and tax? and here we are 8 years later with a rep in office....surplus gone, and horrific debt, horrific war, reduction in dpomestic services, etc. i simply do NOT see the improvements there. so yes, while it most definitely IS a difficult time to take office...i DO think positive change is possible. it won't be easy, hard choices to be made......but it can be done. i am hoping that is exactly what we will see.
btw - i honestly do not even understand the thread title?
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Sounds fucking terrible...
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He is a moderate compared with the rest of our ineffectual and corrupt government....all of which are too much to the right of the ideals of the people. Perhaps that's why Congress has a lower approval rating than GW even.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
to answer your questions, i would rather have a leader who will say that it is not realistic to bring home the troops. but i would respect any leader who says that we are going to be there for a long time as it seems to me that they are realistic. sadly, i would rather had it that we were never there to start.
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you're splitting hairs.
he said "make it a hundred" in regards to iraq.
pardon the misqoute
sheesh.
It is not splitting hairs. It's a huge point to say that McCain said he didn't care if we were at WAR in Iraq for 100 more years when he actually said he didn't care if we had a presence there like we do in multiple other countries still today that we aren't warring with.
Now don't make me have to come on here and defend McCain because frankly the guy gives me the creeps. But the truth is the truth.
"Take a look at what McCain actually said in Derry, N.H., back in January. Cutting off a questioner who talked about the Bush administration's willingness to keep troops in Iraq for 50 years, McCain said "Make it a hundred." He then mentioned that U.S. troops had been in Germany for 60 years and in Korea for 50 years, and added, "That's fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed."
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
well, let's hope the next 95 years go better than the last five.
Yes, that is my hope, as well.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde