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spongersponger Posts: 3,159
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So what do ya'll think? Do demonic spirits really possess people, only to chased out by a priest?
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    I don't believe in demonic spirits.
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  • BarkingDogsBarkingDogs Posts: 280
    I thought evil spirits were chased off by valium and bourbon?!
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I believe in the spirit world. I don't necessarily believe that evil demons like Lucifer, Belial, or Satan exist or can possess someone.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Meh.........
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Posts: 7,265
    BarkingDogs wrote:
    I thought evil spirits were chased off by valium and bourbon?!
    I can see this working. However, I also believe the whole priest exorcising demons, too.
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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    sponger wrote:
    So what do ya'll think? Do demonic spirits really possess people, only to chased out by a priest?

    I don't believe it in the slightest, but there is the placebo effect, and there's also a lot about humans and the brain that we don't understand yet.
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  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Man I hope so.
  • Sonja_SSonja_S Posts: 444
    I do believe in wrongly or not at all diagnosed mental illnesses that were/are used by the church to instill fear and 'treated' by performing exorcisms that killed a lot of people.
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    yeah I am into paranormal stuff, so thats right down my alley. Plus the subject made one hell of a horror movie. And the new mars volta cd is inspired by exorcisms and possessions.

    Whatever you think of their basis in fact, theres no denying exorcisms or at least the idea of them have been the basis for some good movies, music and art
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    JaneNY wrote:
    I don't believe it in the slightest, but there is the placebo effect, and there's also a lot about humans and the brain that we don't understand yet.

    This sums up my thoughts on exorcism as well. Consider me a non-believer.
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    I think it's all nonsense. I saw "The Exorcist" in junior high and laughed my ass off all the way through it. A couple of my friends were pretty freaked out by it, and I teased them mercilessly. That was made all the more fun by the fact that people thought I bore a striking resemblance to Linda Blair, haha. There were a few weeks there where pretending to be possessed was my main form of entertainment. Yeah, I was a bit of a brat :o
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    No. Not at all.. I would like to believe in a spirit world that we can't explain, another dimension parallel to our own, but no evil spirits for me.. Maybe lost, confused, or even pissed off regular spirits, but the idea of satan, demons, monsters just doesn't make sense to me. It seems like too easy of an explanation for when things go bad.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,598
    demonic spirits??

    absolute bullshit........
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  • brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    Sonja_S wrote:
    I do believe in wrongly or not at all diagnosed mental illnesses that were/are used by the church to instill fear and 'treated' by performing exorcisms that killed a lot of people.


    sounds like scientology to me...


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  • Sonja_SSonja_S Posts: 444
    Works with the Catholic church as well. 'The Exorcism of Emily Rose' is based on a true story that happend in the 1970's in Germany for example. I know why I officially resigned from that nice little club when I was 14 :D
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  • ScubascottScubascott Posts: 815
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    yeah I am into paranormal stuff, so thats right down my alley. Plus the subject made one hell of a horror movie. And the new mars volta cd is inspired by exorcisms and possessions.

    Whatever you think of their basis in fact, theres no denying exorcisms or at least the idea of them have been the basis for some good movies, music and art

    I don't understand how even the evil spirits could stand listening to the new Mars Volta album.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    sponger wrote:
    So what do ya'll think? Do demonic spirits really possess people, only to chased out by a priest?

    I think that people can be possessed and demonic spirits are around, but i'm not sure that only a priest can cast them out (priest in the catholic sense). I don't know enough about it to go beyond that.
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  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    hippiemom wrote:
    I think it's all nonsense. I saw "The Exorcist" in junior high and laughed my ass off all the way through it. A couple of my friends were pretty freaked out by it, and I teased them mercilessly. That was made all the more fun by the fact that people thought I bore a striking resemblance to Linda Blair, haha. There were a few weeks there where pretending to be possessed was my main form of entertainment. Yeah, I was a bit of a brat :o

    I saw it then too, and was one of the ones freaked out.. it still freaks me out.
  • Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    It's interesting the number of people that don't believe in god but believe in exorcism... (i'm not even saying about people not believing in god but believing in spirits...)
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  • wendy1976wendy1976 Posts: 88
    Puck78 wrote:
    It's interesting the number of people that don't believe in god but believe in exorcism... (i'm not even saying about people not believing in god but believing in spirits...)
    The two things do not have to go hand in hand...I don't believe in god but i do believe in the human spirit and reincarnation.Also think that some spirits do not immediatly reincarnate and sometimes that spirit wonders around.This day in particular the line between the living and the dead is really thin(i cal it samhain others halloween)And because not every person is a friendly one or not every one dies peacefully it can happen that there are not so friendly spirits out there.I do not think anyone can get possesd though....really scared shitles yes but taken over....no.
  • Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    wendy1976 wrote:
    The two things do not have to go hand in hand...I don't believe in god but i do believe in the human spirit and reincarnation.Also think that some spirits do not immediatly reincarnate and sometimes that spirit wonders around.This day in particular the line between the living and the dead is really thin(i cal it samhain others halloween)And because not every person is a friendly one or not every one dies peacefully it can happen that there are not so friendly spirits out there.I do not think anyone can get possesd though....really scared shitles yes but taken over....no.
    indeed i was not talking about not believing in god but believing in spirits. I was talking about not believing in god but believing in exorcism made by a priest...
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  • wendy1976wendy1976 Posts: 88
    Puck78 wrote:
    indeed i was not talking about not believing in god but believing in spirits. I was talking about not believing in god but believing in exorcism made by a priest...
    ok i thought you were because you said: (not even saying about people not believing in god but believing in spirits)So i thought you meant that if you don't believe in god it is interesting that you do believe in spirits??
    I do think that it is somwhat strange that if one does not believe in god you would think that a priest is able to do exorcism....that does not make sence.Because that priest would act in the name of god!!
  • breakmarysfallbreakmarysfall Posts: 368
    I guess it depends on which side you are looking at.

    There is a great german movie called "Requiem" by Hans- Christian Schmid,
    released this year, spring,
    that exactly discuss this question.

    In the early 70ies there was this girl from Bavaria who thought that she is haunted by demons and asked a priest what to do.
    The priest recommended an exorcism and the girl died due to starving and exhausted body state.

    It is a true story that was also the origin for the US movie (the exorcism of Emily Rose - released at the same time as the German movie Requiem).

    The interesting point in the german movie however is,
    that it is shown that the girl suffers from a schizophrenic psychosis.
    SHE really thought to hear voices of Demons
    that was HER psychosis.
    the crime lies in the priest role who picked up the thought and tried to exorcise her and killed her.
    p.s. if she would have gone to a psych clinic she probably would still live!


    And here comes my two cents:

    it is like Darwin against GOD theories.
    by now modern people know that those happenings in one's mind are related to a disfunctional thing called psychosis.
    It is to explain and with the right medicine you are back to life again.

    In earlier times all we knew was that there is the holyness and GOD and all is related to this.
    So hearing voices was not assumed as an pysochological sickness but to DEMONS in ones head that only God could take away.

    If there was an exorcism fact
    it has gone with the information era.
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    chopitdown wrote:
    I think that people can be possessed and demonic spirits are around, but i'm not sure that only a priest can cast them out (priest in the catholic sense). I don't know enough about it to go beyond that.
    Yep, I agree with that... Something weird happened when I was a kid that has led me to believe this stuff definitely happens. Paranormal stuff happens... I just don't know how or why, and I'm not sure I'm meant to know either. Best just to leave some things be. Thing about a priest is that exorcisms are quite ancient and probable come from paganism or something. And we don't know what people knew then that we don't know now. Priests are trained how to speak to the 'demon' (let's just call it that for simplicity sake) and get rid of it so maybe they do know some stuff (we don't know all the secrets of the vatican). Also there IS a lot of stupidity and a lot of mental illnesses or seizures I'm SURE which were put down to demonic possession.
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  • threecrookedhearts6threecrookedhearts6 Posts: 82
    i've heard that there has never been a case of possesion in which the 'victim' was not a religious person. sounds just a little psychosomatic to me.
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  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    hippiemom wrote:
    I think it's all nonsense. I saw "The Exorcist" in junior high and laughed my ass off all the way through it. A couple of my friends were pretty freaked out by it, and I teased them mercilessly. That was made all the more fun by the fact that people thought I bore a striking resemblance to Linda Blair, haha. There were a few weeks there where pretending to be possessed was my main form of entertainment. Yeah, I was a bit of a brat :o

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  • Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    I believe. My grandmother worked at a church for 23 years as a cleaning person and about 13 years ago she was working and the pastor and 5 other men rushed this girl in the church and they did an exorcism and she had 13 demons in her. It took hours to do.
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  • lgtlgt Posts: 720
    hippiemom wrote:
    I think it's all nonsense. I saw "The Exorcist" in junior high and laughed my ass off all the way through it. A couple of my friends were pretty freaked out by it, and I teased them mercilessly. That was made all the more fun by the fact that people thought I bore a striking resemblance to Linda Blair, haha. There were a few weeks there where pretending to be possessed was my main form of entertainment. Yeah, I was a bit of a brat :o

    LOL!

    I remember seeing that too and being slightly freaked out by the whole pantomime demonic possession of the film, so much so that I asked our religion class teacher, a Catholic priest, how could you be possessed by the Devil if you didn't believe in God. hehehe! Apparently you still could.

    Anyway, demonic/evil spirits and related exorcisms... nothing that a good session with a psichiatrist or psychotherapist cannot cure!
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