The John Kerry Incident
Milhouse VanHouten
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This whole thing is ridiculous.
Look at the people who called for Kerry to apologize: President Bush, VP Cheney, Tony Snow, John McCain, every douchebag on Fox News, assorted talk radio assholes across the country, etc.
Do ANY of the aforementioned people really want an apology from Kerry? Would any of them "forgive" him if he said he was sorry? Do any of them actually care about what he said in the first place? Demanding an apology from someone is kind of a lame thing to do in any cirumstance, but this is even worse. Bush and Rove and Mehlman and the rest of the GOP heard what Kerry said, and they weren't thinking: "Oh, my sensibilities have been offended by this man's callous remark. I demand he apologize!" Fuck no, don't be stupid. They're thinking about how they could go on tv and show their asses, condemn Kerry and call him 'anti-military', while positioning themselves as 'pro-military' at the same time. The GOP actually wanted Kerry to hold off on the apology as long as possible. The longer he resisted, the longer they got to bash him. Anyone who acts like the point of calling for an apology is actually to get an apology is a fucking moron. Similarly, the only reason Dems wanted Kerry to apologize is so that they could move past the issue. I doubt Democrat congressional candidates enjoyed answering 5 questions per hour about John Kerry's disdain for our fighting men and women.
It's a bunch of stupid election year bullshit, and the Republicans are the ones cynically milking it for all it's worth.
Look at the people who called for Kerry to apologize: President Bush, VP Cheney, Tony Snow, John McCain, every douchebag on Fox News, assorted talk radio assholes across the country, etc.
Do ANY of the aforementioned people really want an apology from Kerry? Would any of them "forgive" him if he said he was sorry? Do any of them actually care about what he said in the first place? Demanding an apology from someone is kind of a lame thing to do in any cirumstance, but this is even worse. Bush and Rove and Mehlman and the rest of the GOP heard what Kerry said, and they weren't thinking: "Oh, my sensibilities have been offended by this man's callous remark. I demand he apologize!" Fuck no, don't be stupid. They're thinking about how they could go on tv and show their asses, condemn Kerry and call him 'anti-military', while positioning themselves as 'pro-military' at the same time. The GOP actually wanted Kerry to hold off on the apology as long as possible. The longer he resisted, the longer they got to bash him. Anyone who acts like the point of calling for an apology is actually to get an apology is a fucking moron. Similarly, the only reason Dems wanted Kerry to apologize is so that they could move past the issue. I doubt Democrat congressional candidates enjoyed answering 5 questions per hour about John Kerry's disdain for our fighting men and women.
It's a bunch of stupid election year bullshit, and the Republicans are the ones cynically milking it for all it's worth.
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Where the hell have you been?
Isn't that a little weird? I mean, putting aside whether Boehner needs to "apologize to our troops" or anything like that . . . NONE of this is Rumsfeld's fault? Really?
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Good point.
It's not really about policies and positions anymore is it? It's all about winning - nothing more and nothing less.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Uhh... I'm pretty sure I addressed that. Dems (especially Democrats running for congress) want him to apologize so the story will be over.
But if the story would be over if he apologized, then why would Republicans ask for him to apologize?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
That freightens me.. but I've been getting freightened alot lately
if it was a republican who said, you would think it was very wrong and very serious
To take full advantage of the opportunity presented to them, the Republicans have to call for an apology. It's part of the overall act of criticizing him. If they don't call for an apology, their attack on him isn't as strong as it could have been. Calling on him to apologize puts him on the spot, because lots of idiots actually care if he apologizes or not. Now, he has to respond one way or the other. If he refuses to apologize(as he did), he looks like a stubborn jackass and the Republicans are able to continue the attack(as they did). The Republicans called for an apology almost immediately after it became a story. This was a good move on their part. It ensured that Kerry wouldn't apologize right away, which is exactly what they wanted in the first place. Kerry looks weak if he apologizes "just because the GOP told him to", so he makes a sad attempt to defiantly hold his ground for a day or two (which is what he did). In the end, they make a 3 day story out of a simple verbal gaffe.
"[Our enemies] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
But, that isn't a big deal, now huh you big Republicans you?
Madison Square Garden 6/25/08
I know it wasn't directed at me, but I'll answer anyway. I wouldn't find it wrong, because he misspoke. It's not the end of the world, and anyone who makes a deal out of it and acts as if it's the end of the world, and the Democratic Party, just needs to shut up and stop disscussing politics, because you're not looking at the whole picture and are wasting other people's time. He slipped, and it happens to the best of us - even as Scott McCellen Scott McClellan, who thinks “even the most straightforward and plain-spoken people misspeak.” But, that was refering to George Bush when he said something wrong and slips about harming our country, because that's fine. When John Kerry says something wrong, it's shameful and an act of treason, for he's a disgusting man who is an idiot. Oh, no, he's a FLIP-FLOPPER. Although since he's a conservative, he's an honorable Christian, I take it, and can't do wrong - and they're allowed to be flip floppers, as no one cares when any other prominent conservative "flip flops on an issue".
George Bush has misspoke before and said things equally as bad, but Republicans never made a fuss about that. The Republicans who are raising hell over this comment are beating a dead horse, and embarressing not only themselves, but their party as a whole. It's pathetic and just plan shameful.
Madison Square Garden 6/25/08
Did you at least explain to them what he meant to say? I think that's the problem is that most people don't hear or don't wanna hear the whole story. Bush has said many terrible things and there's never a big brouhaha. There wasn't an outrage over the Where's the WMD joke at that dinner a few years back.
It was interesting reading how this story was portrayed in two different newspaper I read today.
Reading about it in the Boston Globe, which is read only by people who really sit down and read the paper,it was clear that Kerry intended to say "get US stuck in Iraq" and he was referring to Bush.
Reading the Boston Metro, which is free and readily available throughout the city, and can be seen being read by at least half the people riding the T or the commuter rail... IT WAS NOT MADE CLEAR AT ALL that Kerry was referring to Bush not the troops... in fact, most of the front page was made up of the now famous picture of troops in Iraq purposely mispelling their joking plea for help. It was pretty funny joke by them, or would have been if the premise were true. But to print that picture on the front page... a day (or two?) after Kerry had explained that his comment was not directed at the troops.... THIS IS DISGUSTINGLY IRRESPONSIBLE journalism. everyone I overheard on the train today thought that Kerry had insulted the troops. and even if they read the story on the front page... it wasn't clear what Kerry's joke was about. they didn't mention what he had meant to say. throughout the rest of the paper, there was no clear mention of Kerry's intent.
I didn't read the Boston Herald today, but I imagine it was more of the same bullshit that they put out every day. the paper was once owned by Rubert Murdoch and I think maintains some of kind of connection to his media empire. they basically mirror what you see on the local Fox news outlet.
i'm pissed off about this so no much because of wanting John Kerry to be vindicated. it just really pisses me off that a large segment of the media can do this to a person... distort his message.
Well, I guess this is the same state that's re-elected Ted Kennedy for all these years, so maybe I shouldn't be so surprised.
My opinion is that your opinion is crap.
'No Blood for Oil' ... 'When CLinton lied no one died'...everyone uses stupid 5 second talking points an ddumbass chants. Everyone.
A caller to a local talk show was asked to get to the point about his position on this Kerry incident He says " I'm a Democrat and If John Kerry's gonna take a big crap in the backyard and then walk around in it I ain't letting him back in the house" I was LOL
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that's pretty damn condescending.
from my window to yours
Hey, i was giving your guys credit...they just do it much better and more aggressively.
Right... cause the Republicans have given us such great choices over the years...