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Hehe. A view from Norway, signed Michael Moore

OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
Just lookie here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLQki-mQF4Q

This being Michael Moore, he is overstating everything of course. Such as our environmental record isn't THAT good, seeing as we produce heaps of oil. And that prison isn't representational for the system as a whole.

Anyway, I found it amusing, being a norwegian myself. :)

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Dan
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  • toastertoaster Posts: 152
    Wooohooo! "Look to Norway" :D


    :rolleyes:
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Awesome!

    Time to start learning some Norwegian.
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  • SilverSeedSilverSeed Posts: 336
    Norway's a cool country. I can't watch YouTube at work, but I'm sure the video is good.

    I'll be there next summer!
    When Jesus said "Love your enemies" he probably didn't mean kill them...

    "Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    SilverSeed wrote:
    Norway's a cool country. I can't watch YouTube at work, but I'm sure the video is good.

    I'll be there next summer!
    May I ask where specifically you intend to go? Just curious. :)
    (No, the fjords isn't a 2-hour drive from Oslo) ;)

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    Dan
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  • SilverSeedSilverSeed Posts: 336
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    May I ask where specifically you intend to go? Just curious. :)
    (No, the fjords isn't a 2-hour drive from Oslo) ;)

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    Dan

    I've got family in Oslo so I'll definitely be there. They have a summer hut on one of the islands (forget which one) which is amazing so hopefully I'll get there too.

    I've got family in Ireland and Germany as well, so I don't know how much time I'll get in Norway. I would love to take the train from Oslo to Bergen as I hear that is beautiful. Otherwise I'm not sure. Any suggestions?
    When Jesus said "Love your enemies" he probably didn't mean kill them...

    "Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    SilverSeed wrote:
    I've got family in Oslo so I'll definitely be there. They have a summer hut on one of the islands (forget which one) which is amazing so hopefully I'll get there too.

    I've got family in Ireland and Germany as well, so I don't know how much time I'll get in Norway. I would love to take the train from Oslo to Bergen as I hear that is beautiful. Otherwise I'm not sure. Any suggestions?

    The trainride is nice, actually. Takes a good 7 hours each way though, but nice scenery going through the mountains. (I've taken it many times, since it's one of the cheaper ways to travel from Bergen to Oslo) And Bergen IS beautiful. Which is why I love it here. Situated in between the mountains and the sea. Taking a ride up the tallest mountain Ulriken on a clear day in the gondol lift is also highly recommended. Bergen is generally good for scenery, if you're into that. You can also buy insanely pricy sweaters and troll figures as well. ;)

    (edit) a picture of Ulriken seen from the city: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ulriken.jpg

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    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • SilverSeedSilverSeed Posts: 336
    "You can also buy insanely pricy sweaters and troll figures as well."

    Sign me up! Haha. I will definitely try to get to Bergen as well then.
    When Jesus said "Love your enemies" he probably didn't mean kill them...

    "Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
  • malabogiamalabogia Posts: 59
    Wow, I want to commit a crime in Norway!!!.
    Joke aside, I really liked Inge Loenning's comparison about Norwegian conservatives and Us liberals.
    NOrway is really nice country but unfortunately it is too expensive for me
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    malabogia wrote:
    Wow, I want to commit a crime in Norway!!!.
    Joke aside, I really liked Inge Loenning's comparison about Norwegian conservatives and Us liberals.
    NOrway is really nice country but unfortunately it is too expensive for me
    Well, if you live here, you can easily afford it as our pay checks are pretty big too. :) And that prison is for those committing small crimes, or nearing the end of sentences and in need of social training.

    But yeah, even norwegian conservatives are fans of the welfare state, only they want to save a little bit money for a little bit tax-cut. And throw around the efficiency word more often, and are generally more favourable to playing the game of war on terror (meaning keeping our 400 soldiers in afghanistan).

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    Dan
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  • malabogiamalabogia Posts: 59
    No I don't live in Norway. I have come to Oslo a few times for business and man it is expensive (for me at least)
    The best part I like was the outrageous smoking ban. I understand the idea behind not allowing to smoke in public spaces but the hotel I stayed didn't have even any smoking rooms!! I really suffered there because of this. :)
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Yup, no smoking anywhere more or less. The ban isn't actually that bad, once you get used to it, and can arrange around it. (speaking as a small-time smoker)

    Couldn't you go outside the front of the hotel or something? That's what norwegians would do. :)

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    Dan
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    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • malabogiamalabogia Posts: 59
    well, being from Turkey, I cannot say I am used to Norway's climate so smoking outside is definitely not an option for me. :)
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Ooohh Dan a few of us were over there a few weeks ago at Pinon's place (near Drammen). We went to Oslo one of the days for a pub crawl and it was a great place. All the Norwegians we met were so much fun!

    It is indeed very expensive though... I thought Ireland was expensive :eek: . When you start thinking 7euro is a cheap pint ya know that's bad :D but it was well worth the trip though. It was a great kinda cold... where you can see the fog from your breath but you don't actually FEEL cold.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Ooohh Dan a few of us were over there a few weeks ago at Pinon's place (near Drammen). We went to Oslo one of the days for a pub crawl and it was a great place. All the Norwegians we met were so much fun!

    It is indeed very expensive though... I thought Ireland was expensive :eek: . When you start thinking 7euro is a cheap pint ya know that's bad :D but it was well worth the trip though. It was a great kinda cold... where you can see the fog from your breath but you don't actually FEEL cold.

    I used to have a personal decency limit on 0,5 litre beer shouldn't cost over 50 kr. It hurts a little every time I buy a beer at a bar and dont get at least a 50 bill back on on a 100. With inflation and all, that happens more and more often, or else they cheat and serve 0,4 glasses. But if you paid above 60 for a beer, then you can rest assured you were ripped off. :)

    Norway is an expensive country. Enter on your own (bank account's) peril. ;)

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    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    I used to have a personal decency limit on 0,5 litre beer shouldn't cost over 50 kr. It hurts a little every time I buy a beer at a bar and dont get at least a 50 bill back on on a 100. With inflation and all, that happens more and more often, or else they cheat and serve 0,4 glasses. But if you paid above 60 for a beer, then you can rest assured you were ripped off. :)

    Norway is an expensive country. Enter on your own (bank account's) peril. ;)

    Peace
    Dan
    :) Oh it was still worth it though... think the cheapest we paid was 49 but I don't think we paid over 60.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    I used to have a personal decency limit on 0,5 litre beer shouldn't cost over 50 kr. It hurts a little every time I buy a beer at a bar and dont get at least a 50 bill back on on a 100. With inflation and all, that happens more and more often, or else they cheat and serve 0,4 glasses. But if you paid above 60 for a beer, then you can rest assured you were ripped off. :)

    Norway is an expensive country. Enter on your own (bank account's) peril. ;)

    Peace
    Dan

    Hi there Dan :)

    I was lurking through the thread and got curious about one thing: Is Norway an UE member? If the answer's yes it has an arrangement similar to the UK, which did not addopt the Euro as official currency?

    Another question, is Norway part of the Schengen zone?

    If I'm extremely lucky I might go to Oslo for 6 weeks next year. I "only" have to win one of the few available UNDP/Oslo's Democratic Governance Center scolarships ;).

    My boss is really encouraging me to submit an application, so we'll see...
  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    CaterinaA wrote:
    Hi there Dan :)

    I was lurking through the thread and got curious about one thing: Is Norway an UE member? If the answer's yes it has an arrangement similar to the UK, which did not addopt the Euro as official currency?

    Another question, is Norway part of the Schengen zone?

    If I'm extremely lucky I might go to Oslo for 6 weeks next year. I "only" have to win one of the few available UNDP/Oslo's Democratic Governance Center scolarships ;).

    My boss is really encouraging me to submit an application, so we'll see...

    I stand to be corrected if I am wrong. Norway is not an EU member but it has signed and implemented the Schengen Agreement.

    Edit: and good luck with your scholarship!
  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    NoK wrote:
    I stand to be corrected if I am wrong. Norway is not an EU member but it has signed and implemented the Schengen Agreement.

    Edit: and good luck with your scholarship!

    Thanks for your answer and for your good wishes :)!!
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    CaterinaA wrote:
    Hi there Dan :)

    I was lurking through the thread and got curious about one thing: Is Norway an UE member? If the answer's yes it has an arrangement similar to the UK, which did not addopt the Euro as official currency?

    Another question, is Norway part of the Schengen zone?

    If I'm extremely lucky I might go to Oslo for 6 weeks next year. I "only" have to win one of the few available UNDP/Oslo's Democratic Governance Center scolarships ;).

    My boss is really encouraging me to submit an application, so we'll see...
    Hiya!
    As Nok said, Norway are not part of the EU. It was voted down in referendums in both 1972 and 1994. Norway are still a member of the EFTA which has arrangements with EU, in addition to several bilateral treaties. So Norway is as good as an EU-member in most respects, but are formally not.

    Norway is part of the Schengen zone, and generally norwegians dont need work permits for working in EU-countries and vice versa. Which means that Norwegian footballers dont count towards the foreigner quota in European leagues. :)

    If you land a scholarship in Norway, you must definitely tell me. I can make a ride over the mountains to visit you in Oslo. :)

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Hiya!
    As Nok said, Norway are not part of the EU. It was voted down in referendums in both 1972 and 1994. Norway are still a member of the EFTA which has arrangements with EU, in addition to several bilateral treaties. So Norway is as good as an EU-member in most respects, but are formally not.

    Norway is part of the Schengen zone, and generally norwegians dont need work permits for working in EU-countries and vice versa. Which means that Norwegian footballers dont count towards the foreigner quota in European leagues. :)

    If you land a scholarship in Norway, you must definitely tell me. I can make a ride over the mountains to visit you in Oslo. :)

    Peace
    Dan

    Dan, thanks for the thourough answer. I thought you lived in Oslo, are you far away?

    Of course I'll let you know if I get the scholarship, I'm gonna need at least a familiar font over there so far away from my beloved developing region (and my husband) :D. Anyway the courses are scheduled for october-november 2008, and I'll know in june 08 if I got the scholarship.

    One more thing, I'm too lazy today to get to the Gazzetta dello Sport. Did Norway qualifiy for the Euro Cup 2008??
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    CaterinaA wrote:
    Dan, thanks for the thourough answer. I thought you lived in Oslo, are you far away?

    Of course I'll let you know if I get the scholarship, I'm gonna need at least a familiar font over there so far away from my beloved developing region (and my husband) :D. Anyway the courses are scheduled for october-november 2008, and I'll know in june 08 if I got the scholarship.

    One more thing, I'm too lazy today to get to the Gazzetta dello Sport. Did Norway qualifiy for the Euro Cup 2008??

    I'm in Bergen, which doesnt look far away on a map, but is across the mountains of the Norway interior. 7 hours by train, or 45 minutes by plane.

    As for Norway, we had all the chances last saturday at home vs Turkey. A win would have sent us to the Euro, a draw would mean we had to beat Malta in the last game (which we did, 4-1), BUT we lost at home to Turkey 1-2 in a poor performance, which made them go past uus. Turkey then scraped it by winning 1-0 to Bosnia in the final game. The bright side is that I think Norway will get seeded 2nd for the next world cup though, and not 3rd as this time around.

    Norway has been so close for the last 3 ones now. Losing the playoff to Spain for Euro 2004, losing the playoff to Czech Rep for WC 2008 after coming 2nd in Italy's group, and now this time, throwing it all away in the 2nd last game against Turkey.

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    I'm in Bergen, which doesnt look far away on a map, but is across the mountains of the Norway interior. 7 hours by train, or 45 minutes by plane.

    As for Norway, we had all the chances last saturday at home vs Turkey. A win would have sent us to the Euro, a draw would mean we had to beat Malta in the last game (which we did, 4-1), BUT we lost at home to Turkey 1-2 in a poor performance, which made them go past uus. Turkey then scraped it by winning 1-0 to Bosnia in the final game. The bright side is that I think Norway will get seeded 2nd for the next world cup though, and not 3rd as this time around.

    Norway has been so close for the last 3 ones now. Losing the playoff to Spain for Euro 2004, losing the playoff to Czech Rep for WC 2008 after coming 2nd in Italy's group, and now this time, throwing it all away in the 2nd last game against Turkey.

    Peace
    Dan

    45 minutes plane/ 7 hour train ride is a relatively short trip for Latin America's standards.

    Too bad for you guys, hopefully you'll have better luck for SouthA frica. I lost track of the cualifying rounds the minute the referee signaled the final of Italia/ Scotland :D

    Have a great weekend! Gotta finish writing an institutional speech (boooooring task, that's why I'm procrastinating on the Pit :D)
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    CaterinaA wrote:
    45 minutes plane/ 7 hour train ride is a relatively short trip for Latin America's standards.

    Too bad for you guys, hopefully you'll have better luck for SouthA frica. I lost track of the cualifying rounds the minute the referee signaled the final of Italia/ Scotland :D

    Have a great weekend! Gotta finish writing an institutional speech (boooooring task, that's why I'm procrastinating on the Pit :D)
    Well, I am sitting and finishing the design of a questionaire which is boring and tedious as well using a program called Teleform. I didn't even invent the questions, they were handed to me. But, I will be paid very handsomely for the job, so I'm not complaining. And I'm done now. :)

    And, drat, Norway will probably be seeded 3rd for the next world cup too. We currently rank as number 19 in Europe, and 18 would have given us seeding group 2. Curses. Which means we have to beat 2 good teams to get to the world cup.

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    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
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