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binauralonthecapebinauralonthecape Posts: 257
edited December 2007 in A Moving Train
the media darlings are so in love with Barack and Hillary, but i'm so scared that a liberal will win the election and completely destroy our country, Barack seems like the least polarizing democratic candidate so theres a good chance he will win the nomination, but he will become an extreme liberal if elected because of all the pressure on the democratic side, it will be a sad day for all americans if a democrat takes the office with a full majority in the congress.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    I guess I don't feel the same panic you do. I can't imagine a more insidious and pervasive blight on this country than W domestically, internationally and economically. I see every candidate running as being less of a crusader than Bush. None will strike out with the same religious zeal and tank the country. I may (and in fact do) disagree with most of the policy positions of the dems and the top tier reps. But after living through almost 8 years of Bush II, I can't envision anything worse from the current candidates, so I have no fear. The country survived Carter, and will survive Bush II. Both were class A douchebags who tried their damnedest to bring the economy to its knees, but we fight on.
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  • brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    because liberal bill screwed up the country in a way that only w could fix? wake up and smell the coffee.
    d'oh!!!!!!

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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    the media darlings are so in love with Barack and Hillary, but i'm so scared that a liberal will win the election and completely destroy our country, Barack seems like the least polarizing democratic candidate so theres a good chance he will win the nomination, but he will become an extreme liberal if elected because of all the pressure on the democratic side, it will be a sad day for all americans if a democrat takes the office with a full majority in the congress.
    I guess you'll have no other choice but to move to Canada, eh.

    but seriously, what are you so afraid of?
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    It cracks me up that the right thinks Hilary is a liberal... She's further right than Romney was a few years ago.

    If you took 90% of her comments and said they were from a republican candidate, no one would doubt you.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    seriously, its not like a liberal is going to fuck things up any worse. the gop had their shot with a republican congress and president and look how wonderfully they performed. i say give someone else a shot. if for no other reason than to fix the stuff that shrub has done. it can only get better from here.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    blackredyellow wrote:
    It cracks me up that the right thinks Hilary is a liberal... She's further right than Romney was a few years ago.

    If you took 90% of her comments and said they were from a republican candidate, no one would doubt you.

    Wasn't Hilary a Republican at one time?

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  • sorryFOOLsorryFOOL Posts: 6
    My only concern is all of the GOVERNMENT programs that will be enacted with a full Democratic D.C. All of this Universal Health Care and any of the other programs, that I am unfortunately to tired to intelligently remember, that are going to take more money out of my pocket. If each individual would take personal responsibility and do something nice for somebody else in need we would not need these programs. The Democrats policies are just to social and take away to much from the individuals. Just my thoughts
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    sorryFOOL wrote:
    My only concern is all of the GOVERNMENT programs that will be enacted with a full Democratic D.C. All of this Universal Health Care and any of the other programs, that I am unfortunately to tired to intelligently remember, that are going to take more money out of my pocket. If each individual would take personal responsibility and do something nice for somebody else in need we would not need these programs. The Democrats policies are just to social and take away to much from the individuals. Just my thoughts


    sO your cool when tax dollars go to the super rich but when they benefit the average American you have a problem...hmm.
  • sorryFOOLsorryFOOL Posts: 6
    She was involved with the RNC in the late 60's- 70's while attending college. Though towards the end of the 70's she started moving towards the left.
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  • sorryFOOLsorryFOOL Posts: 6
    No I'm not but the Democrats are not going to cut your taxes. They never have and they never will. They too are just as interested in helping the rich as the republicans are and is because they are the rich. Then keep in mind that if you make over 100k a year you are in the top 5% in this nation. Now I know alot of people who make more than 100k a year and they pay ALOT more in taxes than I do and I make 50K a year. As a matter of fact when 1 friend made 95K he came home with the same $$ in his pocket as when he got a raise to 105K so that tax bracket obviously pays a greater %.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    I just peed in my pants thinking about it.
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    the media darlings are so in love with Barack and Hillary, but i'm so scared that a liberal will win the election and completely destroy our country, Barack seems like the least polarizing democratic candidate so theres a good chance he will win the nomination, but he will become an extreme liberal if elected because of all the pressure on the democratic side, it will be a sad day for all americans if a democrat takes the office with a full majority in the congress.

    Could they be any worse than the useless fool you have in power now.

    But seriously whoever gets voted in will continue the agenda that has already been set.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    The US needs a system reform not bigger government involvement. The economy is going to bust. It's not a matter of if....but when. It's a 100% certainty following the most simple of economic principles.

    Fix the foreign policy, kill the patriot acts, and drop the Fed. Three big items that (badly) need to take place.. What liberal is talking about any of this?

    Barack and Hillary are pro war. They say they are against war because they have to in order to have any hopes of winning.
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  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    yeah it's the liberals that are the problem..........
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  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I guess you'll have no other choice but to move to Canada, eh.

    but seriously, what are you so afraid of?

    why my country i sjust as fucked up with a GWB copy as prime minister
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    darkcrow wrote:
    yeah it's the liberals that are the problem..........


    Liberals aren't the problem. The fed and the MIC are. The only 3 candidates that address this issue are outcasted and marginalized by the media. Who owns the media?

    sigh...go figure
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    I'd be quite happy with it if they would keep the "liberty" part in there, balance the budget and fix the broken tax system.

    I have no reason to believe a Republican or so called "Conservative" would do any of that, since this is administration has grown the size and scope of government larger than any in history and they have taken thier own "liberties" with their outlined powers.
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  • smarcheesmarchee Windsor, Ontario Posts: 14,539
    my advice to the OP

    quit watching so much Faux News
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jeffbr wrote:
    I guess I don't feel the same panic you do. I can't imagine a more insidious and pervasive blight on this country than W domestically, internationally and economically. I see every candidate running as being less of a crusader than Bush. None will strike out with the same religious zeal and tank the country. I may (and in fact do) disagree with most of the policy positions of the dems and the top tier reps. But after living through almost 8 years of Bush II, I can't envision anything worse from the current candidates, so I have no fear. The country survived Carter, and will survive Bush II. Both were class A douchebags who tried their damnedest to bring the economy to its knees, but we fight on.

    This is exactly how I feel. I have no love for any of the Democratic candidates but after 8 years of Bush any of them would be head and shoulder above him.
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  • SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    the media darlings are so in love with Barack and Hillary, but i'm so scared that a liberal will win the election and completely destroy our country, Barack seems like the least polarizing democratic candidate so theres a good chance he will win the nomination, but he will become an extreme liberal if elected because of all the pressure on the democratic side, it will be a sad day for all americans if a democrat takes the office with a full majority in the congress.

    Ha ha ha. Because the fanatic right has done wonders with the country, right?

    Ease your fears though, neither Clinton nor Obama are truly liberal anyway. It'll be another four years of the same shit regardless. The path the US is on will not be magically righted no matter who takes office. If the conservatives being in office will make you happier when the economy totally collapse, then good luck to you.
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  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Liberals aren't the problem. The fed and the MIC are. The only 3 candidates that address this issue are outcasted and marginalized by the media. Who owns the media?

    sigh...go figure
    i wasn't being serious. i was being sarcastic... maybe i should ahve used a smiley... wonder if there is a "sarcastic" smiley. if not someone should make one.
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  • bryn_cmbsbryn_cmbs Posts: 407
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    the media darlings are so in love with Barack and Hillary, but i'm so scared that a liberal will win the election and completely destroy our country, Barack seems like the least polarizing democratic candidate so theres a good chance he will win the nomination, but he will become an extreme liberal if elected because of all the pressure on the democratic side, it will be a sad day for all americans if a democrat takes the office with a full majority in the congress.

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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    the media darlings are so in love with Barack and Hillary, but i'm so scared that a liberal will win the election and completely destroy our country, Barack seems like the least polarizing democratic candidate so theres a good chance he will win the nomination, but he will become an extreme liberal if elected because of all the pressure on the democratic side, it will be a sad day for all americans if a democrat takes the office with a full majority in the congress.

    who are you obeying?
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    I don't see Kucinich winning. Therefore, fear not. No liberal will win.
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  • SilverSeedSilverSeed Posts: 336
    I don't understand this utter fear of liberals when we've watched a conservative controlled legislature throw everything to shit. I say bring on the libs, only place to go is up.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    sorryFOOL wrote:
    No I'm not but the Democrats are not going to cut your taxes. They never have and they never will. They too are just as interested in helping the rich as the republicans are and is because they are the rich. Then keep in mind that if you make over 100k a year you are in the top 5% in this nation. Now I know alot of people who make more than 100k a year and they pay ALOT more in taxes than I do and I make 50K a year. As a matter of fact when 1 friend made 95K he came home with the same $$ in his pocket as when he got a raise to 105K so that tax bracket obviously pays a greater %.
    ...
    Democrats will tax you to pay for the programs.
    Republicans will not tax you to pay for the programs.
    Both SPEND. Where is the money supposed to come from? Where is the Trillion Dollars for the War coming from?
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    And yeah.. remember the 'Contract With America' thing in 2000? please, tell me which of these Conservative ideals are yours:
    -Large intrusive government agencies with blatant disregard for your rights.
    -Massive debt incurred by relentless spending.
    -Assignment of political favors for, not just for Cabinet positions, but candidates for the Judicial Branch (see Harriet Meirs).
    -War of choice.
    -Employing Soviet Union style torture tactics on 'Enemy Combatants'.
    -Soliciting of sex in public bathrooms... naked jerk-off with young male interns.
    ...
    This is what the Republican controlled Legislature and Executive offices gave you. You want more of this?
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  • hailhailkchailhailkc Posts: 582
    blackredyellow wrote:
    It cracks me up that the right thinks Hilary is a liberal... She's further right than Romney was a few years ago.

    If you took 90% of her comments and said they were from a republican candidate, no one would doubt you.

    What people say, and what they do, are two totally different things.
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  • hailhailkchailhailkc Posts: 582
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Democrats will tax you to pay for the programs.
    Republicans will not tax you to pay for the programs.
    Both SPEND. Where is the money supposed to come from? Where is the Trillion Dollars for the War coming from?
    ...
    And yeah.. remember the 'Contract With America' thing in 2000? please, tell me which of these Conservative ideals are yours:
    -Large intrusive government agencies with blatant disregard for your rights.
    -Massive debt incurred by relentless spending.
    -Assignment of political favors for, not just for Cabinet positions, but candidates for the Judicial Branch (see Harriet Meirs).
    -War of choice.
    -Employing Soviet Union style torture tactics on 'Enemy Combatants'.
    -Soliciting of sex in public bathrooms... naked jerk-off with young male interns.
    ...
    This is what the Republican controlled Legislature and Executive offices gave you. You want more of this?

    And you're okay with being taxed even more? (I know you are for the war, but where do you draw the limit??)
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    hailhailkc wrote:
    And you're okay with being taxed even more? (I know you are for the war, but where do you draw the limit??)

    last i checked, he opposed the war for being pointless and unnecessary.

    my though is if you're going to increase spending, you've got to pay for it somehow. since neither party is willing or able to reduce it, we might as well pay for it. maybe once people see 75% of their income going away in income taxes they'll start to look a little closer at what politicians are doing with that money. cos they sure don't seem to give a fuck right now. the republicans are increasing spending and telling you you should be happy becos they're cutting taxes. what they're doing is mortgaging your children's future for political capital right now. that's as low as it gets as far as i'm concerned. at least the dems are honest about where they plan to get the money. the republicans just ignore it and assure us they'll figure something out eventually.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    hailhailkc wrote:
    And you're okay with being taxed even more? (I know you are for the war, but where do you draw the limit??)
    ...
    If it actually GOES to the programs... yeah.
    Someone HAS to pay for F-22s... M-1A1s... Kevlar... bullets.
    ...
    The problem is SPENDING. If the Republicans (specifically, the Bush Administration and the then Republican Legislature) is going to cut taxes... then, shouldn't they curb their spending also?
    ...
    Like, when you go out shopping for some big ticket item... like a house. Do you buy just any house, or one that fits your budget? If you want that 10,000 sq.ft. mansion on the beach... shouldn't you make more money?
    In the current government's case... it is passed on to the future.
    You are not feeling any pain in this war. The only ones who are... the soldiers, their families and your kids and grandkids who will be strapped for paying your bills.
    Is that another 'Conservative Ideal' I was never aware of?
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