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THCTHC Posts: 525
edited September 2008 in A Moving Train
That over the last 4 or 5 administations....when the Republicans are in office...the Economy tanks....and we are in a War....

and when the Democrats are in office...we are at peace...and the Economy does really well???
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    republicans are run by big oil and defense contractors
  • Brain of J.LoBrain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    THC wrote:
    That over the last 4 or 5 administations....when the Republicans are in office...the Economy tanks....and we are in a War....

    and when the Democrats are in office...we are at peace...and the Economy does really well???

    You know...I think that's something worth examining. :D
  • THCTHC Posts: 525
    Brain of J.Lo wrote:
    You know...I think that's something worth examining. :D


    there has got to be some mini little micro managed answer to explain this away though!!! would some republican please post it...so i dont think i am just stupid here...
    Cause it seems so fricken obvious...it must not be true...
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  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Ssssshhhhhhhh......You're talking historical accuracies.

    The Repugs don't like that. Accuracy not a strong suit with their party and lemmings.
  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    THC wrote:
    That over the last 4 or 5 administations....when the Republicans are in office...the Economy tanks....and we are in a War....

    and when the Democrats are in office...we are at peace...and the Economy does really well???


    Because it doesn't. If you recall, the last recession was right as the Dems were packing up to leave office. "How the candidates were going to get us out of the recession" was debated in Gore/Bush in '00. Also, the rate of real GDP growth was higher under Reagan than Clinton. That said, I really don't think administrations have much to do with the business cycles.
  • freindlyfiredfreindlyfired Posts: 297
    THC wrote:
    That over the last 4 or 5 administations....when the Republicans are in office...the Economy tanks....and we are in a War....

    and when the Democrats are in office...we are at peace...and the Economy does really well???

    The Democrats are really good at losing during "tough times".
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Don't make silly generalizations.

    During the Clinton yrs, we were bombing Iraq regularly, killed 300k+ with sanctions, ignored Rwanda genocide, installed the WTO (a disgrace to workers rights and union rights around the world) and help facilitate the NATO war in the Czech republic... oh and let's not forget letting Bin Laden and Al Queda be ignored after the first WTC attempted attack and the Cole bombing. But I suppose all of this can be ignored because Bill was a charasmatic person who spoke well and people had money in their pockets?

    The Dems and Reps are both very responsible for the state of our nation, saying otherwise is distorting the facts. They're both on the payroll of corporate America, just differ by varying degrees. Campaign fiance, lobbying, etc... Partisan politics merely blind people into thinking "their side" does a better job, but in the end, that "better job" is still very poor in efficiency, results and the general welfare of our citizens and nations well being.
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  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    I heard a republican talking point the other day that said Bush "inhereted" a failing economy.

    8 years ago.

    Yeah. That's the Republican response.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    No Bush didn't inherit the economy like this, but you also can't soley blame it all on him either. Look what the impact 9-11 had. Also, many of these de-regulation bills and lack of oversight into wall street doings aren't merely Republican doings - the dems had their hands on them as well. In Bush's 2nd term, the Dems have control of Congress, yet have passed a ridiculous number of his economic packages and plans... what do you say of that?

    If you're going to discuss a topic, don't just pick out parts which help "your side", show the whole picture.
    meistereder wrote:
    I heard a republican talking point the other day that said Bush "inhereted" a failing economy.

    8 years ago.

    Yeah. That's the Republican response.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    FiveB247x wrote:
    No Bush didn't inherit the economy like this, but you also can't soley blame it all on him either. Look what the impact 9-11 had. Also, many of these de-regulation bills and lack of oversight into wall street doings aren't merely Republican doings - the dems had their hands on them as well. In Bush's 2nd term, the Dems have control of Congress, yet have passed a ridiculous number of his economic packages and plans... what do you say of that?

    If you're going to discuss a topic, don't just pick out parts which help "your side", show the whole picture.


    Ease up, Trigger.

    The thread asks a question -- why is it that this is the case? I related the fact that I heard a republican talking point recently that one explanation they have given is that Bush inherited this economy. You decide whether you agree with that or not. I happen to disagree, and it sounds like you do. No need to attack me on the "your side" thing. I am not an economist, but I know that this talking point is not the correct answer.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Perception really. Neither Party has performed very well for the majority of the past century.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I apologize if I came a bit harsh. In our society, politics have become so inundated with partisan bias, people are more concerned about being right in some ignorant argument about jargon, compared to helping our nation. It all falls by the way-side and everyone's more concerned about blaming the other half compared to picking up the pieces.

    meistereder wrote:
    Ease up, Trigger.

    The thread asks a question -- why is it that this is the case? I related the fact that I heard a republican talking point recently that one explanation they have given is that Bush inherited this economy. You decide whether you agree with that or not. I happen to disagree, and it sounds like you do. No need to attack me on the "your side" thing. I am not an economist, but I know that this talking point is not the correct answer.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    FiveB247x wrote:
    I apologize if I came a bit harsh. In our society, politics have become so inundated with partisan bias, people are more concerned about being right in some ignorant argument about jargon, compared to helping our nation. It all falls by the way-side and everyone's more concerned about blaming the other half compared to picking up the pieces.


    No worries. I may come across one-sided at times because I am pretty passionate about this election. I agree with your main point wholeheartedly.
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  • THCTHC Posts: 525
    I think it is interesting that Under Clinton...the govt had a surplus...and Bush is leaving the Govt with the largest deficit it has ever had...failing banks...and the worst recession since the Great Depression. (He must have inherited that aye?)

    Also, i havent heard anything to address the idea that Republicans seem to spawn WAR...while the country is at PEACE...under Democrats...

    If all you republicans got is Reagan about 30 years ago...i think that is a joke. go back a bit further then him ...and you get someone possibly even more corrupt and horrible then Bush (Nixon).
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Please respond to my posts #8 and 10.
    THC wrote:
    I think it is interesting that Under Clinton...the govt had a surplus...and Bush is leaving the Govt with the largest deficit it has ever had...failing banks...and the worst recession since the Great Depression. (He must have inherited that aye?)

    Also, i havent heard anything to address the idea that Republicans seem to spawn WAR...while the country is at PEACE...under Democrats...

    If all you republicans got is Reagan about 30 years ago...i think that is a joke. go back a bit further then him ...and you get someone possibly even more corrupt and horrible then Bush (Nixon).
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • NYbenbenNYbenben Posts: 1,020
    meistereder wrote:
    I heard a republican talking point the other day that said Bush "inhereted" a failing economy.

    8 years ago.

    Yeah. That's the Republican response.
    and look at it now!! ;-)
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    FiveB247x wrote:

    During the Clinton yrs, we were bombing Iraq regularly, killed 300k+ with sanctions, ignored Rwanda genocide, installed the WTO (a disgrace to workers rights and union rights around the world) and help facilitate the NATO war in the Czech republic... oh and let's not forget letting Bin Laden and Al Queda be ignored after the first WTC attempted attack and the Cole bombing. But I suppose all of this can be ignored because Bill was a charasmatic person who spoke well and people had money in their pockets?

    But that's all that matters. Probably why Obama will be so loved. As long as things are fairly good inside, does not matter at all if everything outside is bad. even if you are the cause of some...much of it.
  • Roll ModelRoll Model Posts: 70
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Don't make silly generalizations.

    During the Clinton yrs, we were bombing Iraq regularly, killed 300k+ with sanctions, ignored Rwanda genocide, installed the WTO (a disgrace to workers rights and union rights around the world) and help facilitate the NATO war in the Czech republic... oh and let's not forget letting Bin Laden and Al Queda be ignored after the first WTC attempted attack and the Cole bombing. But I suppose all of this can be ignored because Bill was a charasmatic person who spoke well and people had money in their pockets?

    The Dems and Reps are both very responsible for the state of our nation, saying otherwise is distorting the facts. They're both on the payroll of corporate America, just differ by varying degrees. Campaign fiance, lobbying, etc... Partisan politics merely blind people into thinking "their side" does a better job, but in the end, that "better job" is still very poor in efficiency, results and the general welfare of our citizens and nations well being.


    well said
  • NeilJamNeilJam Posts: 1,191
    FiveB247x wrote:
    No Bush didn't inherit the economy like this, but you also can't soley blame it all on him either. Look what the impact 9-11 had. Also, many of these de-regulation bills and lack of oversight into wall street doings aren't merely Republican doings - the dems had their hands on them as well. In Bush's 2nd term, the Dems have control of Congress, yet have passed a ridiculous number of his economic packages and plans... what do you say of that?

    If you're going to discuss a topic, don't just pick out parts which help "your side", show the whole picture.


    Speaking of picking out parts that help your side, the Democrats didn't get their slight majority until 2006, 2 years into Bush's second term. So the Republicans had the majority for 6 years of his presidency.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Firstly, I do not have a side. I hate the Dems and Reps equally.
    Secondly, even it was only 2 yrs, the entire Democratic party ran the congressional election on the fact of getting us out of Iraq, keep the Bush administration in check and get the economy in check. Some much for empty promises huh? But sure, Obama is gonna "change" everything? Welcome back to reality.
    NeilJam wrote:
    Speaking of picking out parts that help your side, the Democrats didn't get their slight majority until 2006, 2 years into Bush's second term. So the Republicans had the majority for 6 years of his presidency.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • 88keys88keys Posts: 151
    Think the repubs are solely responsible for the financial crisis we're facing? Think again....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Catchy music...haha

    But seriously, many things and people are responsible for the mess our nations is and overall it's both parties fault for our current state.
    88keys wrote:
    Think the repubs are solely responsible for the financial crisis we're facing? Think again....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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