so my republican friend was at the eddie solo show last night

CorporateWhore

scb wrote:

He does give his audience a chance to respond. He even provides a forum for them to make their views available to the whole world, 24/7. I believe you're familiar with it - it's called A Moving Train.

Haha!! Oh cool! So the next time one of my friends wants to respond to one of my arguments, I will redirect them to a message board that I never read nor respond to.

What an excellent way to deal with people who disagree with you!

Thanks for the advice!

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CorporateWhore wrote:

Haha!! Oh cool! So the next time one of my friends wants to respond to one of my arguments, I will redirect them to a message board that I never read nor respond to.

What an excellent way to deal with people who disagree with you!

Thanks for the advice!

A. You have no idea whether or not he reads the board.

B. Wouldn't you rather have the opportunity to share your views with the masses than with just one guy?

CorporateWhore

scb wrote:

A. You have no idea whether or not he reads the board.

B. Wouldn't you rather have the opportunity to share your views with the masses than with just one guy?

A. I am 100% certain that Eddie has never responded to a political argument from the Right on this message board.

B. No, I want to share it with Eddie, just like he shares his views with me. The masses are composed of individuals just like Eddie. SO that means we need to talk to individuals if we wish to convince the masses.

I want to start by talking to Ed! Haha

LONGRD

CorporateWhore wrote:

I'm a right wing asshole

I agree.

writersu

THC wrote:

it was interesting...he said he had wished eddie had left some of the political stuff at home...and felt like he was at an Obama benefit show.

i said, i feel artist have earned the right to speak their mind...and can say whatever they want. i said, i dont think it makes sense that only politicians can talk politics in this country.

what do you guys and gals think? should eddie just shut up and sing?

I will say that I feel everyone is entitled to their own opinion; truly and that is a big thing for me to say because until a Democrat teaches me something in terms of their actual presidency, I am still George W. Bush's fan. I know I stand alone, but I like the leg room.............lol?

Anyway, I just have to say that I do not like when it is done disrespectfully. I think we all have our right to speak, and if someone is against the war it is cool to say, "bring them home! enough of the bloodshead, etc." but to bash the president, well that's not cool. sometimes silence is a better statement.

slightofjeff

Cosmo wrote:

housewives should shut up and wash the dishes.
...

I agree wholeheartedly. Oh wait, you were making a rhetorical point? Nevermind.

On a different note, that Ed "rant" during Porch at 'Roo happens to be one of my favorite PJ moments, like, of all time.

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CorporateWhore wrote:

A. I am 100% certain that Eddie has never responded to a political argument from the Right on this message board.

No you're not. For all you know, I could be Eddie. Besides, I didn't say he had. I said you don't know that he hasn't heard your opinions (just like you've heard his).

CorporateWhore wrote:

B. No, I want to share it with Eddie, just like he shares his views with me. The masses are composed of individuals just like Eddie. SO that means we need to talk to individuals if we wish to convince the masses.

I want to start by talking to Ed! Haha

It seems to me that the need to talk to him particularly, rather than the multitude of individuals you reach due to his facilitation, reflects more of a need to have the last word than to actually affect change in the world.

So, if he expressed his opinions at a show you attended and let you then tell him yours, would that be sufficient? Or would you think you should get to express your opinions again at the next show because he got to express his again?

You know he can't provide a platform at his shows for every single audience member to talk about their politicial opinions. That's just not possible.

Kel Varnsen

MrSmith wrote:

he can do what he wants. but even though i agree with much of what he says, it kills the mood sometimes. he preaches to the choir, and he's sometimes too drunk to make much sense anyway. He says he's all for dialogue, but i get the feeling he's more interested in HIS dialogue. He likes that he's the only one with a bullhorn at his show.


all that said, i really don't care too much. a minor annoyance to me. i just have one simple condition i wish he would follow. STOP FUCKING UP PORCH WITH MIDSONG RANTS! what the fuck! at bonnaroo i was witnessing probably the best version of that song i had ever heard in my life, and then Eddie goes on a "go vote" rant that felt like an eternity! KEep that shit between songs! or at least in his crappy protest songs like No More. fuck man, not the good songs!


thats all that bugs me.

That is sort of how I feel. I mean of course the guy has the right to speak his opinion, but 1) most of the crowd at a PJ show probably already knows his opinions and 2) the messages that he tries to spread in his rants aren't nearly as eloquent as the messages he tries to spread in his song lyrics. Plus most of his opinions on things, at least the ones I have heard, seem pretty standard, it would be much more interesting if he brought something new to the table.

slightofjeff

Kel Varnsen wrote:

That is sort of how I feel. I mean of course the guy has the right to speak his opinion, but 1) most of the crowd at a PJ show probably already knows his opinions and 2) the messages that he tries to spread in his rants aren't nearly as eloquent as the messages he tries to spread in his song lyrics. Plus most of his opinions on things, at least the ones I have heard, seem pretty standard, it would be much more interesting if he brought something new to the table.

Maybe. But really, is this such a big deal? I've never been to a show where ed has talked *that* much about politics or whatever.

It's maybe 30 seconds to set up a song or something. In the span of a two-hour (or more) show, it really isn't that much.

And, a good bit of the time, he's actually kind of fucking funny.

Kel Varnsen

Cosmo wrote:

garbage men should shut up and pick up the trash...

Shouldn't garbage men shut-up and pick up the trash? Would you really want your garbage man to knock on your door and start spouting off his political opinions after he put your trash in the truck?

slightofjeff

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Shouldn't garbage men shut-up and pick up the trash? Would you really want your garbage man to knock on your door and start spouting off his political opinions after he put your trash in the truck?

Where the analogy here fails is that Ed doesn't come to your house and knock on your door.

You go to his house, basically, of your own free will.

Kel Varnsen

slightofjeff wrote:

Maybe. But really, is this such a big deal? I've never been to a show where ed has talked *that* much about politics or whatever.

It's maybe 30 seconds to set up a song or something. In the span of a two-hour (or more) show, it really isn't that much.

And, a good bit of the time, he's actually kind of fucking funny.

When I went to the Toronto show in 05 he basically did a 5-10 minute rant that he called a poll where it was basically came down to the fact that either you agreed with him about the Iraq war or you were an idiot. Then he did the whole thing where he wore the bush mask. I think most people already knew he hated bush and was against the war. Plus a song could have expressed that opinion so much better then a mumbly speech.

Plus it kind of bugs me that he often takes the attitude that either you agree with him or you are an idiot. Why is there no room for compromise or an understanding between parties?

slightofjeff

Kel Varnsen wrote:

When I went to the Toronto show in 05 he basically did a 5-10 minute rant that he called a poll where it was basically came down to the fact that either you agreed with him about the Iraq war or you were an idiot. Then he did the whole thing where he wore the bush mask. I think most people already knew he hated bush and was against the war. Plus a song could have expressed that opinion so much better then a mumbly speech.

Plus it kind of bugs me that he often takes the attitude that either you agree with him or you are an idiot. Why is there no room for compromise or an understanding between parties?

Well, I will have to take your word for it on the Toronto show. I don't own that one, bootleg-wise.

Based on the several shows I've seen in person, and the many more I have recorded, I'd say your show was the exception, not the rule.

LikeAnOcean

Republican friend??? Is this like having a black friend?


You ain't cool unless you have one..

polaris

although i lean west of left in politics and have no problems with ed ranting on stage (makes the show more personal - less rehearsed) - i would gladly trade that for the fucking aholes in the crowd that are totally blitzed and yelling stupid shit in the middle of songs to shut up ...

Open

The shut up and sing people need to shut up and listen...or dont go to a show.....simple.

cincybearcat

Ed can say whatever he wants during a show.

That being said, I'd rather hear 1 more song than most of his rants.

But that is up to him, and just because I like his music better than his rants.

meme

Kel Varnsen wrote:

That is sort of how I feel. I mean of course the guy has the right to speak his opinion, but 1) most of the crowd at a PJ show probably already knows his opinions and 2) the messages that he tries to spread in his rants aren't nearly as eloquent as the messages he tries to spread in his song lyrics. Plus most of his opinions on things, at least the ones I have heard, seem pretty standard, it would be much more interesting if he brought something new to the table.

Absolutely. I love the band among other things because it helped me survive the 2004 elections, with covers like Masters of War and lyrics like "tell the captain the boat's not safe we're drowning, turns out he's the one making waves". However, I have never, ever, ever heard anything very profound or insightful coming from Ed talking about politics other than in lyrics. Well, maybe the speech he gave about Conservation International, but that was informative and not preachy/condescending/lookatmeImonthecoolsideofthings.


Having said this, he is not going to shut up, and that's not going to keep me from going to shows. His heart is in the right place

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

slightofjeff wrote:

On a different note, that Ed "rant" during Porch at 'Roo happens to be one of my favorite PJ moments, like, of all time.

ughhh why? completely took me out of the song. My friends were getting antsy waiting through the speech, too. and this was right after his pre- No More War speech! jesus, its like he wants to bore the audience to death sometimes. great show anyway.

Commy wrote:

crappy protest songs like no more? haha. That's one of the best protest songs of all time.

no it aint! its terrible. you can feel the crowd die everytime he played it this tour. Play Masters of War instead. fuck i'd take Bushleaguer over that shitty No More crap.

slightofjeff

MrSmith wrote:

ughhh why? completely took me out of the song. My friends were getting antsy waiting through the speech, too.

I don't know. You can just sense the passion in his voice. The urgency. The inspiration.

It made me want to get up and immediately vote for whatever limp-wristed, namby-pamby pseudo-Communist candidate Ed told me to vote for (just kidding).

But it did make me want to do ... something. For the first time in a long time, it reminded me of Ed, circa 1994.