Disturbing!!!

THC
THC Posts: 525
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080801/tc_nm/usa_security_laptops_dc;_ylt=AoAmuQsB1TAsyhY7l4AoXt9k24cA


can seize laptops without probable cause...for as long as they want....
man, this country is falling so far from its ideals...
how is that not a violation of the bill of rights, where the govt needs probable cause for search and seizure???
“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    It is fucking bullshit, and should be a violation of the 4th amendment. But with our new fear-based Department of Homeland Security, and the Patriot Act that friends like Obama and McCain are proud to vote for, I guess this is what we can continue to expect. It is one thing to check it for explosives. It is quite another to confiscate it, turn it on, and look at the data.

    There are large companies like Accenture (used to be Arthur Anderson) who now issue employees "clean" laptops before those employees travel internationally, so that no company confidential data could possibly be exposed to the crooks running our federal government.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    It's not just for the border or its agents and not just for this country. It's for 'competent authorities' everywhere.

    Have you heard about ACTA?

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=293903&highlight=acta
    Walking can be a real trip
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  • THC
    THC Posts: 525
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    It's not just for the border or its agents and not just for this country. It's for 'competent authorities' everywhere.

    Have you heard about ACTA?

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=293903&highlight=acta


    there are some scary things going on right now. seems freedom of speech and personal liberties are beginning to die right before our very eyes.
    soon people who speak out against the government will begin to just 'disappear'....
    “Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
    -Big Fish
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    THC wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080801/tc_nm/usa_security_laptops_dc;_ylt=AoAmuQsB1TAsyhY7l4AoXt9k24cA


    can seize laptops without probable cause...for as long as they want....
    man, this country is falling so far from its ideals...
    how is that not a violation of the bill of rights, where the govt needs probable cause for search and seizure???
    they're taking our freedoms away so Al Quaida doesn't have anything to be pissed about
  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    To sum things up: We're fucked.

    Our rights are deteriorating every minute and there's barely a peep about it. It makes me feel slightly vindictive towards the distracted. Nevermind what I feel about the direct perpetrators. :mad:
    Walking can be a real trip
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    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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    Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
  • ForestBrain
    ForestBrain Posts: 460
    What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy.
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    THC wrote:
    soon people who speak out against the government will begin to just 'disappear'....

    Like anyone who opposes Obama when he takes office.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • THC
    THC Posts: 525
    ForestBrain wrote:
    What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy.

    Nice Rage Against the Machine quote. Its funny...i was thinking alot about rage against the machine yesterday when i read this story...

    (side note, i read a funny quote the other day very similar to your sig. It said...when life hands you lemons...make some margaritas.. :) )


    and yeah...all this so AlQueda...wont kill us! Funny...i was, and never will be scared by AlQueda...not as much as my own govt anymore....
    “Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
    -Big Fish
  • Riverrunner
    Riverrunner Posts: 2,419
    Yes, it is scary. We are living in the world of Big Brother. It scares me to death, but it doesn't seem to bother any of my friends, acquaintances or family. The freedoms that our founding fathers fought so hard for are being whittled away.
    The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals. Ghandi
  • THC
    THC Posts: 525
    Riverrunner wrote:
    Yes, it is scary. We are living in the world of Big Brother. It scares me to death, but it doesn't seem to bother any of my friends, acquaintances or family. The freedoms that our founding fathers fought so hard for are being whittled away.

    I am sure they would be turning over in their graves right now to see what has been taking place recently. through all the troubles and conflicts this country has been able to make it through.....now this, for the greatest superpower in the world to crush a small band of guys hiding in caves half a world away.

    i've seen many good sig quotes by folks on here from founding fathers...or early presidents warning against this very thing...
    “Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
    -Big Fish
  • ForestBrain
    ForestBrain Posts: 460
    THC wrote:
    Nice Rage Against the Machine quote. Its funny...i was thinking alot about rage against the machine yesterday when i read this story...

    (side note, i read a funny quote the other day very similar to your sig. It said...when life hands you lemons...make some margaritas.. :) )


    and yeah...all this so AlQueda...wont kill us! Funny...i was, and never will be scared by AlQueda...not as much as my own govt anymore....
    I've been listening to a lot of RATM lately. It just hits home like nothing else. And they made that music a while ago. Zach must be triply frustrated by now.
    What's most frustrating is that nobody cares. Wooo, Americans are turning into mindless drones and they don't even notice it. That's great.

    Margaritas sound good :)
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.

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