Number of voters so far DNC vs. GOP
Fighting Hellfish
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I can't help but notice in every primary so far, tonight and previously, the total number of voters on both sides. I'm too tired and don't have the time to do it, but I wonder if anyone's (I mean a magazine, or website, not someone on here) kept a running tab on how many people have voted in a Democratic Primary, and how many have voted in a Republican Primary.
Take for an example, tonight:
Missouri: Dem. candidates 819,968
Rep. candidates 588,309
Connecticut: Dem. candidates 350,268
Rep. candidates 149,092
Georgia Dem. candidates 1,023,012
Rep. candidates 952,125
I tried to pick states that were either considered neutral, or "red". If you look at NY, or California, the numbers are through the roof. NY is like 1.7 million to 500,000. I also didn't use caucuses, because I really don't understand the numbers from a caucus. I think whoever the Democratic nominee is will win in a landslide.
Take for an example, tonight:
Missouri: Dem. candidates 819,968
Rep. candidates 588,309
Connecticut: Dem. candidates 350,268
Rep. candidates 149,092
Georgia Dem. candidates 1,023,012
Rep. candidates 952,125
I tried to pick states that were either considered neutral, or "red". If you look at NY, or California, the numbers are through the roof. NY is like 1.7 million to 500,000. I also didn't use caucuses, because I really don't understand the numbers from a caucus. I think whoever the Democratic nominee is will win in a landslide.
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yeah, the caucuses are kinda ........i dont know , strange.
i have been thinking all along too, that the dems will win in a landslide.
im just not so sure now.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
And that's not my POV ... it is that of the lady who was the Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education during the first Reagan administration!
Charlotte Iserbyt - Author of The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America and daughter of a Skull & Bones \ Bohemian Grove Society member. So, she comes from "the ruling class" herself -- an inside whistleblower.
Listen to the interviews with your favorite buddy, Alex Jones.
As Steve Forbes just said on CNBC this morning, "there is a certain level of economic ignorance one has to has to be a member of that party."
It's not some stupid conspiracy theory.
It's a scary reality.
Deal with it folks.
A brave new world IS coming!
People with credentials are backing that assertion.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
You know Steve earned his billions the old fashion way
He inherited them from his daddy!
That line from his is utter bullshit from good old Steve. But what do you expect from I guy who has a silver spoon stuck up his butt
~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
The Tie-Dye Lady is HOT!!!
From what i've seen on this board, it's pretty darned "ac'rate" ...
The leftists and libs on here are so stuck up their ass not only thinking that America can afford massive socialist handouts ... but that it would somehow actualy be GOOD for the country.
Lets talk about Universal Health Care and subsidized insurance for a second here.
What do you think would happen if the Federal Government suddenly announced that due to the vast number of people having problems affording AUTO insurance, that they would start a Universal Auto Insurance Program, and rates would be subsidized by them?
Think about all the people who didn't have or could not afford their current payments on auto insurance ... their rates were high for a reason ... because they were shitty drivers.
You want to pay the difference for them between what they currently pay and what the "safe" driver pays.
How do you think their driving habits will respond?
Will they get ANY better? Or will they continue to deteriorate.
That is EXACTLY what subidizing health insurance does.
It has worked to our detriment with social security, welfare, public housing, HUD subisdy of the private home loan market, education, agriculture, energy, and with interest rates\banking\investment\deposit insurance (FDIC) ... what in gods green earth makes anyone think it will work with healthcare?
So to recap, places where outright government subisdization has failed us utterly?
Subsidization of public housing AND of private home loans - which errantly drove up the value of all housing causing a bubble since people who couldn't really afford a home were being subsidized by the government thus bidding up the market, all welfare which puts people in "the welfare trap", all social security (the prime reason the government is going broke), free education (see all the stupid people and lousy teachers?), subsidized interest rates and subisidized business insurance by constant bailout of the banks the mortgage industry and the bond insurers (note the fucked economy), subsidized energy (notice how gas prices have started to fuck us, and there is a growing energy shortage because we kept prices artificialy low), argriculture - where farmers by the millions have lost their business since the late 50's and big agriculture has destroyed the environment because of their subsidized PETRO-chemical "green" revolution agriculture, and WTF else did i miss ... god knows there are a few more...
THAT is why Liberals have their head up their ass.
They either live in economic la-la land with regards to free market reality, or they just flat out don't give a fuck about reality, and want their damn handouts come hell or high water!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
No actually that has been achieved by the incredibly ignorant, right wing fundamentalist christians who feel the need to screw evryone else's education.
Really?
How so.
Though they may be socialy ass backwards and religously zealous, homeschoolers are on the average a lot more intelligent that your typical public school graduate. They also tend to be fiscaly conservative, small government, nuclear family loving, successful folks -- which is the exact opposite of what is described in my quote and attributed to social engineering Democratic Socialists above.
Same with private school kids, who tend to be children of conservatives.
It is the PUBLIC education system that spits out raging liberal economic dolts.
I don't think anyone who has spent time in public school and who has encountered homeschoolers & private schoolers throughout their life would really question that.
What the hell is the "feel the need to screw everyone elses education" comment? Are we talking about like the 1 in 20 states that tries to push creationism through the curriculum?
Because that is a pretty small issue compared with the massive liberal push that MOST schools have been under since jump.
The fundamentalist christians are NOT the ones who have been in control of the school system since its inception. If they were, we WOULD have creationism in all schooling. Think about it. It is the SOCIALISTS who are in control of education. Why do you think "god" has been extracted from the pledge of allegance once again? Is that the work of fundamentalist christians?
pffft.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
some of you guys are a joke.
It is when the only real intent is to use it as a vehicle for further wealth redistribution.
What part of my post on the failures of subsidization to justify their arguably well meaning intentions do you fail to understand?
Try reading it again:
Just because you naively think it is a good idea because your heart is in the right place doesn't mean that it works out to be good economic policy, and it certainly doesn't mean that the people proposing it have good intentions when they suggest it.
Didn't Iraq teach you anything? That was supposed to be a good thing done out of just and virtuous intent. :rolleyes:
You don't see an ENORMOUS PROFIT MOTIVE for the Federal Government in their suggestion that the entire population be robbed of more of their hard earned wealth in order to fund this bullshit idea?
If you don't see that, then i've got a bridge to sell ya!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
the Eurpoean union has the worlds strongest economy currently and the worlds strongest currency... and they are ground zero for Universal Health Care... i posted a thread recently asking the opinion of people in countries that have UHC, and not one of them complained or wanted it removed
i am not naive, i pay attention and try to know my shit.
UHC would lead to less GDP being spent on health care as a whole in the USA... check your facts good friend before you start calling people naive
The fact that the EU has a strong economy and one of the strongest curriences should tell you right there you aren't comparing apples to apples.
I'm fully aware of the situation in Europe.
And i'm pretty sure i remember seeing some complaints on this board coming out of europe in regards to the health coverage.
Anyhow.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
This belongs in this thread, how? Start a new thread if you want to go on and on about how all the brainiacs in the world belong to the party that brought us The Iraq War, Scooter Libby, Larry Craig, Jack Abramoff, Iran-Contra, mass deletion of e-mails that are supposed to be kept forever, Jeff gannon, Armstrong Williams, Mark Foley, Mafia linked Bernard Kerik for Homeland Security Chief, etc... I could go on a ll day. I could also bring up the GOP's biggest cheerleaders, like Rush Limbaugh, who thought all drug addicts should be imprisoned, not in rehab, until it turned out that he is a drug addict. Or Bill " Phone Sex" O'Reilly, who thinks the culture is too sleazy.
Anyway, i heard a report that in all primary and caucus voting so far, Democratic voters outnumber Republican voters more than 2 to 1. Factor in that Michigan and Florida didn't even count for the Dems, and wow. It's gonna be a wipeout in November
If I opened it now would you not understand?
what?
the fact is that the EU is ground zero for UHC, and their economy is quite strong...
if you are going to make all the claims you do and state as fact some of the things you stae as fact, then you should come with some hard concrete eveidence to back up your claims...
you say UHC will harm the economy... i say it will actually do the opposite... and i have porvided a very strong example of this... so come back at me good friend with something to back up your claim?
talk about hurting the economy
and again, this is a real statistic, not an opinion
I'm not a neocon, wake up.
I'm just pointing out that raging socialism is NOT the answer to fascism.
Freedom and liberty are the correct response.
And THOSE ARE NOT PARTISAN.
Some of you folks are hopelessly lost on the far left of a FALSE RIGHT \ LEFT PARADIGM, put there by the elitist interests to keep you picking fruit off of either side of a grafted tree ... and both fruits are bitter.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
And the value of the dollar has also fallen 30% in 5 years.
Subtract 30% from the amount spent on healthcare, and does it sound more reasonable?
Inflation is primarily caused by two things:
Warfare
and
WELFARE.
You want to add to one of two primary causes of our over inflated healthcare costs.
:rolleyes:
By the way, your arguments for the EU being a good model are weak, and plenty of the articles on the site i linked explain that costs are catching up with ya'll.
And inflation is going to catch up with the EU sooner or later. The reason your currency is so strong is because it is so new. The government hasn't had time to blow it with rampant inflation. Also post-war germany provides the ECB with slightly more incentive to not hyperinflate since they have memorable historic precedent to remind them of the perils.
However, that being said, they did add about 200 billion in Euros to the system to help out the global\US economy in recent months. And with a raging nannystate that spans multiple formerly sovereign countries full of raging nanny-state supporters to nurse from cradle to grave, i expect that trend to continue down the rockey path of rampant inflation and rising healthcare (and other) costs.
Europe will not be an exception to the hard and historicaly verifiable truths of either subsidization or central fiat banking woes.
If you think it will, you have the wool in your eyes.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
i have to be honest...
you have brought nothing tangible to the health care debate. your opinions and op ed pieces you post are great and all... but the fact remains that UHC is the way to go no matter how you look at it...
i am sure you will repond that i am naive and tricked by the powers that be... but trust me, i am not
those articles are mostly opinion peices, much like the info you priovide on this sublject. no substance, so i didnt read them. by the way i can find anything on the internet to say anything i want.
wrong. it is strong because it is the currency for 500,000,000 million people in various economies that have focused on soft power and fair/open trade within europe... as opposed to military power and policies tilted towards consumption of foreign goods
the UK has had UHC for 60 years and they seem to be doing just fine
you do understand that not all people who disagree with you are naive or idiots? so stop with the childish "you're a fool" attacks...
what do you propose for the health care system?
seriously, i am interested i nwhat you think we should do...
because it seems as though you are a fan of health care for only those that can afford it? tell me how i am wrong about that...
Good one.
I propose believe getting the federal government out of the market place as much as possible, and SPECIFICALY OUT OF MONETARY POLICY! Also, massively reducing the tax burden on business (so that maybe it could afford decent coverage for its employees) and on the people themselves (so they could afford it privately if their employer can't or wont) would be a good start.
Massive government regulation of the medical industry is one of the primary reasons for the ridiculous way the system is currently running anyhow.
Couple that with the fact that all kinds of bullshit government spending on welfare and warfare are quickly destroying the dollar through the insidious inflationary process made possible by the utterly corrupt Federal Reserve which only serves to line the pockets of the big banks that own it (and appease government by giving it "free" money at YOUR expense!) and you have two of the main reasons healthcare in america is so fucked.
Like i said earlier, what part of the dollar LOST THIRTY PERCENT OF ITS VALUE IN FIVE YEARS is not ringing loudly in your ears? Add that back to the average american's pocket, and everything is much better.
Lets not also forget that the government already robs us of an inexusable amount of our wealth through the income tax scandal ... and then finaly that the medical system is further fucked up because the free market insurance industry is forced to compete with government SUBSIDIZED medicair and medicaid.
End ALL subsidization and fucked up regulation, let the markets adjust themselves, restore the value of the dollar, let the people keep their own goddamn wages just like the constitution originaly demaned ... and you would not need some stupid fucking UHC plan that in the long run will just fuck you and I a LOT MORE a LOT FASTER.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
This is one piece i actualy agree with in part.
As far as wasteful government spending and ridiculous budget and trade deficits fucking america in the ass, i agree with you 100%.
Although i would be VERY reluctant to call the EU a practitioner of "fair\open" trade. Do you not have laws very similar to NAFTA and do you not also follow WTO protocol? That is ANYTHING but "fair", "free", or "open".
But hey, i don't live in europe man.
Also, though i'm not the biggest fan of the CATO institute, they do publish some good information, and here is one of them on "The 5 Myths Of Socialized Medicine" ...
Also, to be perfectly blunt,
your indoctrination in to the belief that people have some inherent right to things that they can not personaly afford is disturbing.
I would argue that everyone in the world has a "right" to food and water ...but then where the hell would humanity be? We already have a fucking population that is rapidly becoming the scourge of the earth ... would you really want to subsidize every sub-saharan indigent that has 8 kids, but no form of income and lives miles from the nearest water hole or cassava root?
I'm all for "live and let live", but at some point people have to recognize that the laws of the jungle and "survival of the fitest" are still at play in the universe. It doesn't mean people can't be personaly humanitarian and compassionate, but it does mean that we should NOT naively think that subsidizing humanity will do anything to address the root causes of suffering in this world.
There will ALWAYS be people that suffer.
LIFE IS CRUEL AND HARD.
It is NOT fair, and if you try to level the playing field, you just knock the people at the high end down, and keep everyone oppressed on the same common floor.
The bottom line is: If life is a football game ... one team is full of the buff and tough ... sure some of them were just born with a genetic predisposition towards their physique and atheltisicm but another large portion of them worked very hard to get to that level of fitness, and the ones that were born predisposed STILL had to maintain that nature (just cause someone is born rich, doesn't mean they will stay rich if they are stupid or spend unwisely)) ...
and the other team is full of 90 pound weaklings ... sure some of them were unfortunately born this way, through no great fault of theirs (and it is their duty in life to engage in the struggle to rise above the circumstances of their birth!) ... but their is again a great many of them that actively pursued that path ... they dug their own holes ...
Now ... what you want to do is, just before the players take the field ... you want to run over to the team with all the big men and kick them in the knees and step on their toes AND steal their wallets (because goddmanit, they just don't deserve it, right?) ... and run out to the store and then over to the other team, and hand them all bottles of gatorade, vitamins, steroids and powershakes.
When the players get to the field, the two sides are a little more even, but at whose expense, and for what great gain? And WAS IT REALY AS FAIR AND JUST AS YOU DESCRIBE?
You can't just lump all the "haves" in to the category of the "undeserving" and all the "have nots" in to the "oppressed through no fault of their own and in need of others money" category.
I am sympathetic, but if you want to truly be fair,
get the government out of it, let the markets decide, and let the people retain as much of their wealth as they can to make these decisions on their own.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
thats how i see it. and thats how i see ron pauls "free market should rule everything" approach to everything... it is heartless and far from progressive
the human race is on this planet together. borders and flags are manmade. the sooner folks figure this out the sooner we can progress as a species, collectively
So you see a way for the entire current population of the planet to live in harmony with no one starving?
You see the massive redistribution of wealth needed to "solve" this "problem" as being more fair and just than the current distribution?
And do you see the problem really being solved when all of humanity has their equal provisions? Everyone with food, water, and thatched roof?
What about breeding?
Since most scientists already recognize that the earth is overpopulated to the tune of at least 20 or 30% more than its sustainable carying capacity (and upwards of 80% over populated at the high side estimate) ... what do you propose to do about the reproductive habits off all these newly clothed and fed denizens of earth? Surely you don't think they are going to stop fucking eachtoher in all of their unrelenting thanks to the rest of us who took the hit to drag them out of the mud, do you?
Do you support the "free market" in breeding? Or do you think the new world government that just redistributed all of the wealth should then step up and selectively sterilize people? How bout just the rich people, since these greedy assholes are the one that caused the problem in the first place?
Your oversimplification and failure to comprehend the true nature of the worlds workings is causing you to selectively choose "problems" which you wish to address ... the problems you solve necessarily come at the expense of another newly created problem.
If you don't see the parellels between wanting to subsidize everyone's health, and wanting to subsidize their diet, you are not being honest, either.
So what of it, then?
At the end of the day your great altruistic agenda is really the most oppressive one their is.
Currently, regardless of their class and status, everyone is free to choose their destiny. If something is stopping them, it is either lack of self-determination, or possibly some of these very same bad policies that the left statist would like to further implement.
One need only look to the current housing mess. It was partly caused by inflationary interest rates lending cheap cash over to banks who then were "forced" to re-lend it to sub-prime borrowers ... and you know what else caused it?
The Federal government in all its "well intentioned" "altruism" manipulating the "free market" to subsidize LOANS TO PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT OTHERWISE AFFORD THEM ... outrigth breaking the free markets own checks and balances by telling Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, "hey don't worry about this guys credit score, of the fact that this single mother doesn't make enough to own this home if rates rise 2 points ... don't worry about it because if they default on their mortgages, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE at large will vouch for this loan .. thats right ... Uncle Sam himself personaly guarantees it!"
You know what happens after that right? Yup ... housing prices go through the roof, both because of low rates causing banks to want to lend more to people they shouldnt driving the dollar down and thus prices up ... but ALSO ... BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO ONCE COULD NOT AFFORD A HOUSE were now, at the expense of all the other people who COULD afford a house, on the market looking for a house backed by a loan from Uncle Sam (ie. YOU AND ME) ...
So backed by the guantee the the government will save them with money you and i earned, some other shmuck who could not otherwise afford it caused the price of ALL houses to go through the roof, while also putting you and me on the hook to bail him out if he falls, AND causing housing shortages in many markets so that people who legitimately could afford houses either can't now, or have to uproot and move, or pay way too much because of subsidized distortions in the market place.
And guess what else?
When all the poor shmucks that couldn't afford houses got put in those houses based on loans guaranteed by you and me, and when rates eventualy went back up, THEY STARTED TO DEFAULT ... and it caused THE ENTIRE SYSTEM TO COME TUMBLING DOWN ... and millions of blameless americans were now either stuck in their homes with values plummeting below their mortgage values ... or losing jobs because the entire economy is now tanking, or watching the value of their dollar continue to plummet as the government rapidly prints up more and more money to try to solve THAT problem ...
ALL BECAUSE UNCLE SAM IN ALL ITS WELL-INENTIONED GOODNESS WANTED TO HELP POOR PEOPLE GET HOUSES!
HOW FUCKING FAIR IS THAT?
And just apply that same concept to medicine.
it is how the world works.
THERE IS NO GODDAMN FREE LUNCH, FOLKS.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
What is so great about being " fiscaly conservative, small government, nuclear family loving"?
The fundies suceeded in pasing creationsim as science in several states like Kansas and Penslyvania so its more than simply an attempt. In anycase where they can't impinge on the constitutional right of students to a secular education, they fuck them backwards by just silently omiting it or teaching evolution incorrectly. Given that you seem to view those socialists as 'economic dolts' I find it funny that you can't see the obvious implications of a crappy science education for the future of the American economy.