Number of voters so far DNC vs. GOP

Fighting Hellfish

I can't help but notice in every primary so far, tonight and previously, the total number of voters on both sides. I'm too tired and don't have the time to do it, but I wonder if anyone's (I mean a magazine, or website, not someone on here) kept a running tab on how many people have voted in a Democratic Primary, and how many have voted in a Republican Primary.

Take for an example, tonight:

Missouri: Dem. candidates 819,968
Rep. candidates 588,309

Connecticut: Dem. candidates 350,268
Rep. candidates 149,092

Georgia Dem. candidates 1,023,012
Rep. candidates 952,125

I tried to pick states that were either considered neutral, or "red". If you look at NY, or California, the numbers are through the roof. NY is like 1.7 million to 500,000. I also didn't use caucuses, because I really don't understand the numbers from a caucus. I think whoever the Democratic nominee is will win in a landslide.

the wolf

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

I can't help but notice in every primary so far, tonight and previously, the total number of voters on both sides. I'm too tired and don't have the time to do it, but I wonder if anyone's (I mean a magazine, or website, not someone on here) kept a running tab on how many people have voted in a Democratic Primary, and how many have voted in a Republican Primary.

Take for an example, tonight:

Missouri: Dem. candidates 819,968
Rep. candidates 588,309

Connecticut: Dem. candidates 350,268
Rep. candidates 149,092

Georgia Dem. candidates 1,023,012
Rep. candidates 952,125

I tried to pick states that were either considered neutral, or "red". If you look at NY, or California, the numbers are through the roof. NY is like 1.7 million to 500,000. I also didn't use caucuses, because I really don't understand the numbers from a caucus. I think whoever the Democratic nominee is will win in a landslide.

yeah, the caucuses are kinda ........i dont know , strange.

i have been thinking all along too, that the dems will win in a landslide.
im just not so sure now.

DriftingByTheStorm

The Socialist Democratic power structure has done very well in their goal of transforming the educational system in to a breeding ground for dumbed down, critical-thinking impaired, economicaly ignorant, collectivist minded, broken-family having, state-loving socialist sheeple -- if that is what you are implying. Thats why the Dems are doing so well.

And that's not my POV ... it is that of the lady who was the Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education during the first Reagan administration!

Charlotte Iserbyt - Author of The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America and daughter of a Skull & Bones \ Bohemian Grove Society member. So, she comes from "the ruling class" herself -- an inside whistleblower.

Listen to the interviews with your favorite buddy, Alex Jones.

As Steve Forbes just said on CNBC this morning, "there is a certain level of economic ignorance one has to has to be a member of that party."

It's not some stupid conspiracy theory.
It's a scary reality.
Deal with it folks.
A brave new world IS coming!
People with credentials are backing that assertion.

theroachman

Steve Forbs?

You know Steve earned his billions the old fashion way


He inherited them from his daddy!

That line from his is utter bullshit from good old Steve. But what do you expect from I guy who has a silver spoon stuck up his butt

DriftingByTheStorm

theroachman wrote:

That line from his is utter bullshit from good old Steve. But what do you expect from I guy who has a silver spoon stuck up his butt

From what i've seen on this board, it's pretty darned "ac'rate" ...

The leftists and libs on here are so stuck up their ass not only thinking that America can afford massive socialist handouts ... but that it would somehow actualy be GOOD for the country.

Lets talk about Universal Health Care and subsidized insurance for a second here.

What do you think would happen if the Federal Government suddenly announced that due to the vast number of people having problems affording AUTO insurance, that they would start a Universal Auto Insurance Program, and rates would be subsidized by them?

Think about all the people who didn't have or could not afford their current payments on auto insurance ... their rates were high for a reason ... because they were shitty drivers.

You want to pay the difference for them between what they currently pay and what the "safe" driver pays.

How do you think their driving habits will respond?
Will they get ANY better? Or will they continue to deteriorate.

That is EXACTLY what subidizing health insurance does.

It has worked to our detriment with social security, welfare, public housing, HUD subisdy of the private home loan market, education, agriculture, energy, and with interest rates\banking\investment\deposit insurance (FDIC) ... what in gods green earth makes anyone think it will work with healthcare?

So to recap, places where outright government subisdization has failed us utterly?
Subsidization of public housing AND of private home loans - which errantly drove up the value of all housing causing a bubble since people who couldn't really afford a home were being subsidized by the government thus bidding up the market, all welfare which puts people in "the welfare trap", all social security (the prime reason the government is going broke), free education (see all the stupid people and lousy teachers?), subsidized interest rates and subisidized business insurance by constant bailout of the banks the mortgage industry and the bond insurers (note the fucked economy), subsidized energy (notice how gas prices have started to fuck us, and there is a growing energy shortage because we kept prices artificialy low), argriculture - where farmers by the millions have lost their business since the late 50's and big agriculture has destroyed the environment because of their subsidized PETRO-chemical "green" revolution agriculture, and WTF else did i miss ... god knows there are a few more...


THAT is why Liberals have their head up their ass.
They either live in economic la-la land with regards to free market reality, or they just flat out don't give a fuck about reality, and want their damn handouts come hell or high water!

searchlightsoul

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

The Socialist Democratic power structure has done very well in their goal of transforming the educational system in to a breeding ground for dumbed down, critical-thinking impaired, economicaly ignorant, collectivist minded, broken-family having, state-loving socialist sheeple -- if that is what you are implying. Thats why the Dems are doing so well.

No actually that has been achieved by the incredibly ignorant, right wing fundamentalist christians who feel the need to screw evryone else's education.

DriftingByTheStorm

searchlightsoul wrote:

No actually that has been achieved by the incredibly ignorant, right wing fundamentalist christians who feel the need to screw evryone else's education.

Really?
How so.
Though they may be socialy ass backwards and religously zealous, homeschoolers are on the average a lot more intelligent that your typical public school graduate. They also tend to be fiscaly conservative, small government, nuclear family loving, successful folks -- which is the exact opposite of what is described in my quote and attributed to social engineering Democratic Socialists above.

Same with private school kids, who tend to be children of conservatives.

It is the PUBLIC education system that spits out raging liberal economic dolts.

I don't think anyone who has spent time in public school and who has encountered homeschoolers & private schoolers throughout their life would really question that.

What the hell is the "feel the need to screw everyone elses education" comment? Are we talking about like the 1 in 20 states that tries to push creationism through the curriculum?

Because that is a pretty small issue compared with the massive liberal push that MOST schools have been under since jump.

The fundamentalist christians are NOT the ones who have been in control of the school system since its inception. If they were, we WOULD have creationism in all schooling. Think about it. It is the SOCIALISTS who are in control of education. Why do you think "god" has been extracted from the pledge of allegance once again? Is that the work of fundamentalist christians?

pffft.
:rolleyes:

my2hands

collectively providing health care for human beings is SO EVIL :rolleyes:


some of you guys are a joke.

DriftingByTheStorm

my2hands wrote:

collectively providing health care for human beings is SO EVIL :rolleyes:


some of you guys are a joke.

It is when the only real intent is to use it as a vehicle for further wealth redistribution.

What part of my post on the failures of subsidization to justify their arguably well meaning intentions do you fail to understand?

Try reading it again:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Lets talk about Universal Health Care and subsidized insurance for a second here.

What do you think would happen if the Federal Government suddenly announced that due to the vast number of people having problems affording AUTO insurance, that they would start a Universal Auto Insurance Program, and rates would be subsidized by them?

Think about all the people who didn't have or could not afford their current payments on auto insurance ... their rates were high for a reason ... because they were shitty drivers.

You want to pay the difference for them between what they currently pay and what the "safe" driver pays.

How do you think their driving habits will respond?
Will they get ANY better? Or will they continue to deteriorate.

That is EXACTLY what subidizing health insurance does.

It has worked to our detriment with social security, welfare, public housing, HUD subisdy of the private home loan market, education, agriculture, energy, and with interest rates\banking\investment\deposit insurance (FDIC) ... what in gods green earth makes anyone think it will work with healthcare?

So to recap, places where outright government subisdization has failed us utterly?
Subsidization of public housing AND of private home loans - which errantly drove up the value of all housing causing a bubble since people who couldn't really afford a home were being subsidized by the government thus bidding up the market, all welfare which puts people in "the welfare trap", all social security (the prime reason the government is going broke), free education (see all the stupid people and lousy teachers?), subsidized interest rates and subisidized business insurance by constant bailout of the banks the mortgage industry and the bond insurers (note the fucked economy), subsidized energy (notice how gas prices have started to fuck us, and there is a growing energy shortage because we kept prices artificialy low), argriculture - where farmers by the millions have lost their business since the late 50's and big agriculture has destroyed the environment because of their subsidized PETRO-chemical "green" revolution agriculture, and WTF else did i miss ... god knows there are a few more...

Just because you naively think it is a good idea because your heart is in the right place doesn't mean that it works out to be good economic policy, and it certainly doesn't mean that the people proposing it have good intentions when they suggest it.

Didn't Iraq teach you anything? That was supposed to be a good thing done out of just and virtuous intent. :rolleyes:

You don't see an ENORMOUS PROFIT MOTIVE for the Federal Government in their suggestion that the entire population be robbed of more of their hard earned wealth in order to fund this bullshit idea?

If you don't see that, then i've got a bridge to sell ya!

my2hands

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Just because you naively think it is a good idea because your heart is in the right place doesn't mean that it works out to be good economic policy

the Eurpoean union has the worlds strongest economy currently and the worlds strongest currency... and they are ground zero for Universal Health Care... i posted a thread recently asking the opinion of people in countries that have UHC, and not one of them complained or wanted it removed

i am not naive, i pay attention and try to know my shit.

UHC would lead to less GDP being spent on health care as a whole in the USA... check your facts good friend before you start calling people naive

DriftingByTheStorm

my2hands wrote:

the Eurpoean union has the worlds strongest economy currently and the worlds strongest currency... and they are ground zero for Universal Health Care... i posted a thread recently asking the opinion of people in countries that have UHC, and not one of them complained or wanted it removed

i am not naive, i pay attention and try to know my shit.

UHC would lead to less GDP being spent on health care as a whole in the USA... check your facts good friend before you start calling people naive

The fact that the EU has a strong economy and one of the strongest curriences should tell you right there you aren't comparing apples to apples.

I'm fully aware of the situation in Europe.
And i'm pretty sure i remember seeing some complaints on this board coming out of europe in regards to the health coverage.

Anyhow.

Fighting Hellfish

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

The Socialist Democratic power structure has done very well in their goal of transforming the educational system in to a breeding ground for dumbed down, critical-thinking impaired, economicaly ignorant, collectivist minded, broken-family having, state-loving socialist sheeple -- if that is what you are implying. Thats why the Dems are doing so well.

And that's not my POV ... it is that of the lady who was the Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education during the first Reagan administration!

Charlotte Iserbyt - Author of The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America and daughter of a Skull & Bones \ Bohemian Grove Society member. So, she comes from "the ruling class" herself -- an inside whistleblower.

Listen to the interviews with your favorite buddy, Alex Jones.

As Steve Forbes just said on CNBC this morning, "there is a certain level of economic ignorance one has to has to be a member of that party."

It's not some stupid conspiracy theory.
It's a scary reality.
Deal with it folks.
A brave new world IS coming!
People with credentials are backing that assertion.

This belongs in this thread, how? Start a new thread if you want to go on and on about how all the brainiacs in the world belong to the party that brought us The Iraq War, Scooter Libby, Larry Craig, Jack Abramoff, Iran-Contra, mass deletion of e-mails that are supposed to be kept forever, Jeff gannon, Armstrong Williams, Mark Foley, Mafia linked Bernard Kerik for Homeland Security Chief, etc... I could go on a ll day. I could also bring up the GOP's biggest cheerleaders, like Rush Limbaugh, who thought all drug addicts should be imprisoned, not in rehab, until it turned out that he is a drug addict. Or Bill " Phone Sex" O'Reilly, who thinks the culture is too sleazy.

Anyway, i heard a report that in all primary and caucus voting so far, Democratic voters outnumber Republican voters more than 2 to 1. Factor in that Michigan and Florida didn't even count for the Dems, and wow. It's gonna be a wipeout in November

DriftingByTheStorm

Here are about 500 articles for your consideration.

my2hands

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

The fact that the EU has a strong economy and one of the strongest curriences should tell you right there you aren't comparing apples to apples.

what?

the fact is that the EU is ground zero for UHC, and their economy is quite strong...


if you are going to make all the claims you do and state as fact some of the things you stae as fact, then you should come with some hard concrete eveidence to back up your claims...

you say UHC will harm the economy... i say it will actually do the opposite... and i have porvided a very strong example of this... so come back at me good friend with something to back up your claim?

my2hands

you do realize that the USA spends more per capita on healthcare then every other country in the world currently?

talk about hurting the economy


and again, this is a real statistic, not an opinion

DriftingByTheStorm

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

This belongs in this thread, how?

I'm not a neocon, wake up.

I'm just pointing out that raging socialism is NOT the answer to fascism.

Freedom and liberty are the correct response.

And THOSE ARE NOT PARTISAN.

Some of you folks are hopelessly lost on the far left of a FALSE RIGHT \ LEFT PARADIGM, put there by the elitist interests to keep you picking fruit off of either side of a grafted tree ... and both fruits are bitter.

DriftingByTheStorm

my2hands wrote:

you do realize that the USA spends more per capita on healthcare then every other country in the world currently?

talk about hurting the economy


and again, this is a real statistic, not an opinion

And the value of the dollar has also fallen 30% in 5 years.

Subtract 30% from the amount spent on healthcare, and does it sound more reasonable?

Inflation is primarily caused by two things:
Warfare
and
WELFARE.

You want to add to one of two primary causes of our over inflated healthcare costs.

:rolleyes:

By the way, your arguments for the EU being a good model are weak, and plenty of the articles on the site i linked explain that costs are catching up with ya'll.

And inflation is going to catch up with the EU sooner or later. The reason your currency is so strong is because it is so new. The government hasn't had time to blow it with rampant inflation. Also post-war germany provides the ECB with slightly more incentive to not hyperinflate since they have memorable historic precedent to remind them of the perils.

However, that being said, they did add about 200 billion in Euros to the system to help out the global\US economy in recent months. And with a raging nannystate that spans multiple formerly sovereign countries full of raging nanny-state supporters to nurse from cradle to grave, i expect that trend to continue down the rockey path of rampant inflation and rising healthcare (and other) costs.

Europe will not be an exception to the hard and historicaly verifiable truths of either subsidization or central fiat banking woes.

If you think it will, you have the wool in your eyes.

my2hands

drifting...

i have to be honest...


you have brought nothing tangible to the health care debate. your opinions and op ed pieces you post are great and all... but the fact remains that UHC is the way to go no matter how you look at it...

i am sure you will repond that i am naive and tricked by the powers that be... but trust me, i am not

my2hands

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

And the value of the dollar has also fallen 30% in 5 years.

Subtract 30% from the amount spent on healthcare, and does it sound more reasonable?

the USA has spent more per capita on health care for as long as i can remember... not just the last 5 years during the currency crash

By the way, your arguments for the EU being a good model are weak, and plenty of the articles on the site i linked explain that costs are catching up with ya'll.

those articles are mostly opinion peices, much like the info you priovide on this sublject. no substance, so i didnt read them. by the way i can find anything on the internet to say anything i want.

And inflation is going to catch up with the EU sooner or later. The reason your currency is so strong is because it is so new.

wrong. it is strong because it is the currency for 500,000,000 million people in various economies that have focused on soft power and fair/open trade within europe... as opposed to military power and policies tilted towards consumption of foreign goods

Europe will not be an exception to the hard and historicaly verifiable truths of either subsidization or central fiat banking woes.

the UK has had UHC for 60 years and they seem to be doing just fine

If you think it will, you have the wool in your eyes.

you do understand that not all people who disagree with you are naive or idiots? so stop with the childish "you're a fool" attacks...

my2hands

Drifting...


what do you propose for the health care system?


seriously, i am interested i nwhat you think we should do...

because it seems as though you are a fan of health care for only those that can afford it? tell me how i am wrong about that...

Uncle Leo

my2hands wrote:

you do underdtand that not all people who disagree with you are naive or idiots? so stop with the childish "your a fool" attacks...

Good one.