So. Obama's Chief of Staff -- Change?

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  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Like fuck i have. Get your facts straight.

    Roland, Driftin and Mr Brian to name a few.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    NoK wrote:
    Roland, Driftin and Mr Brian to name a few.
    Mr Brian? i love his posts and have much respect for his views so i'm not sure where you are getting that idea from. I don't recall any run ins with him at all.

    I think i've told Drifting numerous times that i heart him, i love his enthusiasm, but not very often agree with him, i'm sure he'll vouch for that.

    I do have issues with Roland at the moment because of his comments over obama pretending that his grandmother was sick for sympathy votes and then refusing to apologize when she died. My Grandma was very sick at the same time and died and i'm away from my family and it really upset me at the time. Agree i need to get over that and quickly. It's a bit of a shock you have said this as i've always thought i was more than fair and respectful and the first to agree if my candidate was not coming through with what he promised. I see where you are coming from. Apologies to anyone i have offended.
  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Mr Brian? i love his posts and have much respect for his views so i'm not sure where you are getting that idea from. I don't recall any run ins with him at all.

    I think i've told Drifting numerous times that i heart him, i love his enthusiasm, but not very often agree with him, i'm sure he'll vouch for that.

    I do have issues with Roland at the moment because of his comments over obama pretending that his grandmother was sick for sympathy votes and then refusing to apologize when she died. My Grandma was very sick at the same time and died and i'm away from my family and it really upset me at the time. Agree i need to get over that and quickly. It's a bit of a shock you have said this as i've always thought i was more than fair and respectful and the first to agree if my candidate was not coming through with what he promised. I see where you are coming from. Apologies to anyone i have offended.

    Sorry about your grandmother. My condolences. Hopefully you manage to re-unite with your family soon.

    I quoted that person because I felt their "get over it" argument was very lame considering the impact one decision could have on the whole world.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    i'm sure it's that last part that has his critics really going nutty. well, too fucking bad. our guy won, yours didn't (and that means you paultards, too). get over it.


    You haven't been paying attention. Some of us have said that he will get shit done. The issues of Israel, his hpyer-partisanship, his Clinton connections don't signal change. Your quote was even from a Clinton guy, adding credence to the point. Nice job.
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  • Emmanuel oversaw the DCCC in 2006. No single person should get more credit for the Democratic takeover of the House, except perhaps George W. Bush.

    As a veteran of both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue, Rahm is known as a foul-mouthed hard ass who gets shit done. Paul Begala compared him to a toothache and a hemorrhoid when talking about Emmanuel's tenacity and drive.

    Emmanuel should be extremely suited to running the White House.

    He is a super-Likudnik hawk, whose father was in the fascist Irgun in the late Forties, responsible for cold-blooded massacres of Palestinians.
    Working in the Clinton White House, Emanuel helped push through NAFTA, the crime bill, the balanced budget and welfare reform. He favored the war in Iraq, and when he was chairing the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in 2006 he made great efforts to knock out antiwar Democratic candidates.

    In 2006 Emanuel had just published a book with Bruce Reed called The Plan: Big Ideas for America, with one section focused on “the war on terror”. Emanuel and Reed wrote, “We need to fortify the military's ‘thin green line ‘around the world by adding to the U.S. Special Forces and the Marines, and by expanding the U.S. army by 100,000 more troops. …Finally we must protect our homeland and civil liberties by creating a new domestic counterterrorism force like Britain's MI5.” Recall that Obama has been calling throughout his recent campaign for an addition of 92,000 to the US Army and US Marine Corps.

    To win the House, the Dems had to win 15 seats from the Republicans. 22 candidates hand picked by Emanuel to run in open districts or districts with Republican incumbents. Of these, nine adopted a US “must win” in Iraq position and only one of Rahm's candidates was for prompt withdrawal from Iraq.

    Then, after the election, Rahm’s supposed brilliance in winning back the House. “Looking at all 22 candidates hand-picked by Rahm, “ “we find that 13 were defeated [including Duckworth], and only 8 won! And remember that this was the year of the Democratic tsunami and that Rahm's favorites were handsomely financed by the DCCC. The Dems have picked up 28 seats so far, maybe more. So out of that 28, Rahm's choices accounted for 8! Since the Dems only needed 15 seats to win the House, Rahm's efforts were completely unnecessary. Had the campaign rested on Rahm's choices, there would have been only 8 or 9 new seats, and the Dems would have lost. In fact, Rahm's efforts were probably counterproductive for the Dems since the great majority of voters were antiwar and they were voting primarily on the issue of the war (60 per cent according to CNN). But Rahm's candidates were not antiwar.
  • Rahm Emanuel is a supporter of Bush’s invasion of Iraq. Emanuel rose to prominence in the Democratic Party as a result of his fundraising connections to AIPAC. A strong supporter of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, he comes from a terrorist family. His father was a member of Irgun, a Jewish terrorist organization that used violence to drive the British and Palestinians out of Palestine in order to create the Jewish state. During the 1991 Gulf War, Rahm Emanuel volunteered to serve in the Israel Defense Forces. He was a member of the Freddie Mac board of directors and received $231,655 in directors fees in 2001. According to Wikipedia, “during the time Emanuel spent on the board, Freddie Mac was plagued with scandals involving campaign contributions and accounting irregularities.”

    But Obama’s advisers are drawn from the same gang of Washington thugs and Wall Street banksters as Bush’s. Richard Holbrooke, was an assistant secretary of state and ambassador in the Clinton administration. He implemented the policy to enlarge NATO and to place the military alliance on Russia’s border in contravention of Reagan’s promise to Gorbachev. Holbrooke is also associated with the Clinton administration’s illegal bombing of Serbia, a war crime that killed civilians and Chinese diplomats. If not a neocon himself, Holbrooke is closely allied with them.

    Madeline Albright is the Clinton era secretary of state who told Leslie Stahl (60 Minutes) that the US policy of Iraq sanctions, which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children, had goals important enough to justify the children’s deaths. Albright’s infamous words: “we think the price is worth it.” Wikipedia reports that this immoralist served on the board of directors of the New York Stock Exchange at the time of Dick Grasso’s $187.5 million compensation scandal.

    Dennis Ross has long associations with the Israeli-Palestinian “peace negotiations.” A member of his Clinton era team, Aaron David Miller, wrote that during 1999-2000 the US negotiating team led by Ross acted as Israel’s lawyer: “we had to run everything by Israel first.” This “stripped our policy of the independence and flexibility required for serious peacemaking. If we couldn't put proposals on the table without checking with the Israelis first, and refused to push back when they said no, how effective could our mediation be?” According to Wikipedia, Ross is “chairman of a new Jerusalem-based think tank, the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute, funded and founded by the Jewish Agency.”
  • Its star is Robert Rubin, the bankster who was secretary of the treasury in the Clinton administration. Rubin has responsibility for the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and, thereby, responsibility for the current financial crisis.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I'm not to thrilled with the choice of Rahm Emanual but some sources have stated that he was not brought in to keep the Republicans under foot but to keep the extreme left of the Democratic party underfoot. It is an interesting take on the selection. Emanuel is a veteran of Congress and a take no shit politicians. He could definitely bully the likes of Pelosi, Reid and Frank.
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  • mammasan wrote:
    I'm not to thrilled with the choice of Rahm Emanual but some sources have stated that he was not brought in to keep the Republicans under foot but to keep the extreme left of the Democratic party underfoot. It is an interesting take on the selection. Emanuel is a veteran of Congress and a take no shit politicians. He could definitely bully the likes of Pelosi, Reid and Frank.

    I've heard that too... Rahm can be the asshole in the room and keep Pelosi/Reid in check without Obama looking like the bad guy (good cop/bad cop).

    I just think that this is being blown out of proportion because he has been the only guy named. If he was named in the middle of a few cabinet members, people probably wouldn't pay much attention to it.

    As many problems that I have had with the Bush Administration, I don't think once have I said "I can't believe fuckin' Andy Card did that".
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    mammasan wrote:
    I'm not to thrilled with the choice of Rahm Emanual but some sources have stated that he was not brought in to keep the Republicans under foot but to keep the extreme left of the Democratic party underfoot. It is an interesting take on the selection. Emanuel is a veteran of Congress and a take no shit politicians. He could definitely bully the likes of Pelosi, Reid and Frank.

    Yeah but keep in mind the politics he has, the issues and policy he supports. Now he is in a very powerful position/

    It's just not good. It's very dangerous.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    MrBrian wrote:
    Yeah but keep in mind the politics he has, the issues and policy he supports. Now he is in a very powerful position/

    It's just not good. It's very dangerous.

    II disagree with him on some of his stances but I will reserve judgment until he actually starts performing his duties.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • We will barely hear anything from Rahm once all the the cabinet is chosen. It is his job to be behind the scenes and assist Obama with his agenda. It does not mean that Rahm will be setting the policy or running the show. You guys need to understand that he will be one of many voices in the room.

    Also for you people complaining that he picked a Clinton retread...whom was he supposed to have picked? This position requires experience because it is the Chief of Staffs job to keep everything running smoothly. If he picked someone with no experience who would Obama go to for advise when its needed?

    Also Bill Clinton held many meetings between Israel and Palestine when he was President. Who was on his staff...Rahm Emanual.

    I swear you guys are going to be on Obama so much that your going to give him less of a chance then was given to Bush. The change we need is to stop this bitter infighting and work together to solve America's (I'm sorry but not Palestine's) problems.
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672

    Also for you people complaining that he picked a Clinton retread...whom was he supposed to have picked? This position requires experience because it is the Chief of Staffs job to keep everything running smoothly. If he picked someone with no experience who would Obama go to for advise when its needed?

    Also Bill Clinton held many meetings between Israel and Palestine when he was President. Who was on his staff...Rahm Emanual.

    I swear you guys are going to be on Obama so much that your going to give him less of a chance then was given to Bush. The change we need is to stop this bitter infighting and work together to solve America's (I'm sorry but not Palestine's) problems.

    Why do you think they didnt reach a peace deal then? Because the best peace deal they came up with was still one sided. Just look at a map of the deal made then and tell me what you think.

    Media propaganda made it look like the Palestinians just pushed away from it because they wanted 'more and more' when in reality they just wanted something fair.

    The last thing Rahm's history shows, is a balanced view in regard to Israel/Palestine. Listen to his views on Iran,Iraq. These guys are going around saying how 100% behind Israel they are, then people think they will be able to be fair about it. Obama himself refuses to say anything negative about Israel. Where is the talk about the injustices done against the Palestinian people? You tell me what is fair.

    This guy is going to set the tone.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    What exactly are we supposed to make of this guy?

    Rahm Emanuel

    Mr. Wallstreet ... one of biggest recipients of wall street money in congress ...

    ... looks like just another corrupt partisan hack,
    taking orders from on high.

    And his opinions concerning personal liberty and the constitution ... speaking here about his desire to force the youth in to para-military "civil" service ... are disturbing at face.

    Again, i'm getting really worried about where an Obama presidency is going to take this country. I can't wait to start hearing what he is going to do with carbon credits, either. :(


    i wonder if he's gonna keep on that citibank ceo (the one who called the sec of the treasury asking to leave enron alone) or the pro NAFTA and WTO lawyer/lobbyists on as top advisors?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    MrBrian wrote:
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1034635.html

    I'm not sure if he gave up his Israeli citizenship.


    'He is the son of a Jerusalem-born pediatrician who was a member of the Irgun (Etzel or IZL), a militant Zionist group that operated in Palestine between 1931 and 1948.'
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    aNiMaL wrote:
    So, you want to throw out every politician out if they beleive and see Israel as an ally to the US?

    And the definition of bipartisanship is: of, relating to, or involving members of two parties ; specifically : marked by or involving cooperation, agreement, and compromise between two major political parties


    israel has broken more UN resolutions than Iraq has

    anyway, i don't expect much change on teh israel/palestine issue, obama already told aipac he didn't feel the president of the US should 'force' israel to make peace w/ anyone
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    I believe his loyalties are far more geared to Israel than to America. This is readily apparent just by looking at who he is highly associated with, and how those groups think as well.

    First item on the list is to drop bombs on Iran. Obama's picked up the slack and has personally said he's all about ramping up the war on Afghanistan. Syria, and Pakistan are smoldering at the edges....enter Russia and missile shields.

    I'm just sitting here watching PNAC unfold, as people keep making excuses for everything under the sun....it's surreal.


    i think one of pnac's founders supported obama even during the primaries...
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Rahm Israel Emmanuel.

    no really....is this some kind of j0ke?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel#Political_views

    Political views
    During his original 2002 campaign, Emanuel "indicated his support of President Bush's position on Iraq, but said he believed the president needed to better articulate his position to the American people".[15]


    !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Rahm was director of Freddie Mac during scandal.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1

    "President-elect Barack Obama's newly appointed chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the troubled agency and the board failed to spot "red flags," according to government reports reviewed by ABCNews.com.

    According to a complaint later filed by the Securities and Exchange Commission, Freddie Mac, known formally as the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, misreported profits by billions of dollars in order to deceive investors between the years 2000 and 2002.

    Emanuel was not named in the SEC complaint (click here to read) but the entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) (click here to read) of having "failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention."
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Rahm was director of Freddie Mac during scandal.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1

    "President-elect Barack Obama's newly appointed chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the troubled agency and the board failed to spot "red flags," according to government reports reviewed by ABCNews.com.

    According to a complaint later filed by the Securities and Exchange Commission, Freddie Mac, known formally as the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, misreported profits by billions of dollars in order to deceive investors between the years 2000 and 2002.

    Emanuel was not named in the SEC complaint (click here to read) but the entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) (click here to read) of having "failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention."
    You are unbelievable. You copy and paste PART OF THE STORY and your pasting stops just before these lines. Is your theory that people won't actually look at the story themselves?
    In a statement to ABCNews.com, a spokesperson said Emanuel served on the board for "13 months-a relatively short period of time."

    The spokesperson said that while on the board, Emanuel "believed that Freddie Mac needed to address concerns raised by Congressional critics."
  • Emanuel was not named in the SEC complaint (click here to read) but the entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) (click here to read) of having "failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention."

    So what you're saying is Rahm got appointed to this board of corrupt directors somehow and then immediately became a whistle blower?

    He sure fooled them I guess.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Emanuel was not named in the SEC complaint (click here to read) but the entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) (click here to read) of having "failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention."

    So what you're saying is Rahm got appointed to this board of corrupt directors somehow and then immediately became a whistle blower?

    He sure fooled them I guess.
    Are you fucking thick??? Tha'ts not what i'm saying and you know it. I'm so sick of your shit over the last week or so and i am done with you. You can't reason with you. You post half truths, go out of your way to make things appear what they are not, then when you are called out on it, you turn it around onto the person who is questioning you.
  • Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Are you fucking thick??? Tha'ts not what i'm saying and you know it. I'm so sick of your shit over the last week or so and i am done with you. You can't reason with you. You post half truths, go out of your way to make things appear what they are not, then when you are called out on it, you turn it around onto the person who is questioning you.

    Then what are you saying exactly?

    I'm saying there are bigger interests at work then who the president happens to be at the time. The more people begin to realise, it the better.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    tybird wrote:
    Change does not equal a bunch of retreads from the Clinton years or the Kerry campaign. :(

    the dust settles and the Hollywood glimglam is gone and now everyone is going to see what the rest of of saw from the beginning

    its too late, to "change" your vote...what a shame, shame on all of you for buying into this rockstar
  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    NoK wrote:
    Roland, Driftin and Mr Brian to name a few.

    :D criticizing those clowns makes life worth living on the ol' MT. with their constant flaming, they practically BEG for it.
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Are you fucking thick??? Tha'ts not what i'm saying and you know it. I'm so sick of your shit over the last week or so and i am done with you. You can't reason with you. You post half truths, go out of your way to make things appear what they are not, then when you are called out on it, you turn it around onto the person who is questioning you.

    yep, that's what makes the IGNORE function a gift from the heavens. i recommend using it liberally. :)
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    It's things like this that make me wish I had voted for the Naked Dancing Llama instead of Obama.
  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    yep, that's what makes the IGNORE function a gift from the heavens. i recommend using it liberally. :)

    But if you do your "critiquable" material would be savaged. Tough choice!
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    :D criticizing those clowns makes life worth living on the ol' MT. with their constant flaming, they practically BEG for it.
    Actually, i just wanna step in and say that noK, posted that to me, and we sorted it out and i think it's better to leave that one alone. I'm not sure if you saw my reply to him or not, but he was right in a couple of things he said.
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