Anyone Watching This Jonestown Crap On MSNBC?

DriftingByTheStorm

Yeah.
They are doing a total whitewash of the "Jonestown Massacre".
I think it's called "Surviving Jonestown"?

You should turn it off,
and watch EoR5.

Listen to Congressman Ryan's aide testify about the government coverup.
About the discrepancies regarding the bodies. About the fact that they were all murdered, that they didn't kill themselves. The fact that many were gunned down, that the local insurgent US funded militia was on hand to help with the extermination. And how about the fact that the medical facility at Jonestown was better than the one in Georgetown propper (with 100s of times the population)

AND about the enormous quantity of psychoactive drugs on premise -- drugs used extensively by the government itself in its "uber"-secret MKUltra mindcontrol programs.

And speaking of MKUltra, Congressman Leo Ryan (the guy they murdered just before he left Jonestown with 80+ witnesses) had been trying to bring public hearings about this, and the CIA was PISSED.

Hmm.

Then he goes off to Jonestown (which i am alleging to you was an MKUltra project, itself) and gets whacked.

And why the HELL is Jim Jones ranting about Richard Dwyer on "the death tape"?

read this

Ugh.
I hate whitewash "documentaries"!

Ruining history for everyone.
Making the government your friend.
Grr.

melodious

A majority of those people left their churches in San Francisco as well as my backyard of Mendocino County. They gave up their life savings for a communal existence when their investments gave them a distorted version of cult life. Can you imagine the devastation of Jones-followers surviving family members?

I dunno, I think that Jim Jones was pretty sick and disgusting sort of guy.
Someone needed to step in.

Have you ever watched the documentary on the History Channel when they featured his surviving son?

DriftingByTheStorm

melodious wrote:

Have you ever watched the documentary on the History Channel when they featured his surviving son?

He's on the msnbc special as well, prominently ... just like the history channel one.

the more i read up on jonestown, the more pissed off i get.
and the more i read about Leo Ryan, the more i understand why he ended up dead.

:sigh:

DriftingByTheStorm

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

the more i read up on jonestown, the more pissed off i get.
and the more i read about Leo Ryan, the more i understand why he ended up dead.

:sigh:

Stuff like this...
quotes from a suit filed by Congressman Ryan's children ...

read it wrote:

More than 20 months after Leo Ryan was killed, his five adult children—two sons and three daughters—filed a lawsuit based on extensive investigation into what had precipitated their father’s death.


Filed in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California on July 31, 1980, the suit asked for general damages of $3 million, plus costs for Congressman Ryan’s funeral and bringing the action.

The lawsuit charged that “the Jonestown Colony was infiltrated with agent(s) of the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States.

“[That] the name of one said agent was Phillip Blakey, a trusted aide of Peoples Temple leader James Warren Jones.

“[T]hat said agents were working with the Department of State and the Central Intelligence Agency to use the Jonestown Colony as part of the Central Intelligence Agency’s MK Ultra program.

“[T]hat massive quantities of mind-control drugs were found at the Jonestown colony after the fatal incident of November 18, 1978.”

Phillip Blakey had traveled to Guyana to select the site for Jonestown and to begin clearing land. He was one of the few survivors of the mass killing.

The lawsuit furthermore charged that Richard Dwyer doubled as an agent of the Central Intelligence Agency and that Dwyer “arranged for the transportation of decedent [Ryan] and his party once in Guyana; briefed decedent and his party on the events and conditions at Jonestown upon their arrival; and escorted decedent and his party to Jonestown in November 1978.”

It alleged that Dwyer “as an agent and employee of the Central Intelligence Agency ... negligently, maliciously and intentionally withheld crucial information about the Jonestown Colony which would have prevented harm to decedent.”

It further charged that Dwyer “knowingly, intentionally and maliciously led [Ryan] into a trap at the Port Kaituma Air Strip, which cost decedent his life.”

and then the case was dismissed wrote:

The Ryans’ lawsuit was dismissed for reasons that have to date never been fully disclosed. A source close to the family who aided them in their quest for justice told Freedom of threats received which he attributed to the CIA. Every time he made a move, he said, a warning would arrive on his doorstep by a circuitous route. “A letter would show up,” for example, he said, stating, “’We’re watching you.’”

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melodious

Thanks for bringing this up...

I never really pondered the dot to dot connection concerning a governmental experiment with mind control, but I am grateful to you for providing a few more
alignments.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

who killed jfk jr?

DriftingByTheStorm

MrSmith wrote:

who killed jfk jr?

Lol.
Not funny.
If even one out of five of these things is true, i have some SERIOUS questions.
I've had them for a while, actually.

No suprise, just like with his daddy, the Bush name comes up again.
Weird strange shit.

The Assassination of JFK Jr.

and the two best motives for his murder?

he could have run 3rd party and won the popular vote, lost the election, and caused a popular revolution regarding the electoral college

and then, i also find the theories that john john was getting vocal about the assassination of his father to be quite intriguing.
like this one.

Anyhow.

I think JFK Jr.'s death falls somewhere below JFK, MLK, and Jonestown on the "proven" and now-self-evident list ... but it is right up there, just below RFK, on the "in serious question" list.

The one bit of most damning evidence in the RFK assassination, as far as i'm concerned, is the CLEARLY COERCED interrogation of Sandra Serrano ...

excerpts from which can be heard, funny enough, in the first 5 minutes of Evidence of Revision Vol 5 ... which i linked in the OP up top for Jonestown.

You can also read about it in this article.

:sigh:

FinsburyParkCarrots

"Get Dwyer out of here ...."


My guess: shortly before Jones says "The congressman has been murdered", the airstrip killers have returned to the pavilion, with the wounded Dwyer. That's how Jones knows about Ryan. He immediately hurries everyone to the vat.

http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJonestown/Tapes/Tapes/DeathTape/Q042.html

bootlegger10

That JFK video is pretty weak (#2 out of 11). In five minutes you have Bush I killing JFK, GW killing JFK Jr., Cheney causing 9/11, and the financial elites taking billions from the Fed Reserve.

These videos are out of a middle school video club. I'm not saying all of these theories are wrong, just saying these videos are pretty hoakey. I've noticed a lot of these videos bounce around to different conspiracy theories.

DriftingByTheStorm

bootlegger10 wrote:

That JFK video is pretty weak (#2 out of 11). In five minutes you have Bush I killing JFK, GW killing JFK Jr., Cheney causing 9/11, and the financial elites taking billions from the Fed Reserve.

These videos are out of a middle school video club. I'm not saying all of these theories are wrong, just saying these videos are pretty hoakey. I've noticed a lot of these videos bounce around to different conspiracy theories.

Okay.
I dunno what your beef is about,
too much too fast i guess.

That video certainly goes out of its way to examine every and any coincidence, and works on suspicions and circumstance.

However, that being said, its not exactly like there are a bunch of hardened scientists "studying" any of this stuff. And the video is pretty funny, to boot. That counts for something.

As far as the claims, all i can say is none of it is so far gone as to warrant derision without at least some consideration.

There is a large quantity of circumstantial evidence and documentation to put George H.W Bush in the sphere of activity surrounding JFK's death. The FACT that history has now "proved" Bush WAS, IN FACT, IN THE CIA BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER KENNEDY'S ASSASSINATION, EVEN THOUGH HE CONTINUES TO LIE ABOUT IT TO THIS DAY, should be enough to get you at least thinking about it.

THE FACT THAT HE BOTHERED TO CALL UP THE FBI AND FAKE A LEAD THE DAY OF KENNEDY'S DEATH SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU SUSPISCIOUS!

And the fact that a man named "George Bush of The CIA" shows up in Hoovers own damn office to essentialy blackmail him with questions IS HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS.

I don't care if you end up believing any of the claims made, but having an open mind, and interpreting the facts presented in the context of the history they represent would be a good first step.

As far as JFK Jr's death, all i can say is that I (and his family) have some serious misgivings about the amount of delay in starting a rescue. A rescue that, per basic procedure, should have started 5 minutes after John John notified the tower of final approach, but did NOT start FOR FOURTEEN HOURS.
??? Also, the FACT that the transponder was not on and was NOT FOUND, and that the BLACK BOX HAD ITS BATTERY REMOVED ... ALL HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS. And seriously, where WAS George W. Bush during this whole thing? Why did he just dissapear from his campaign ??? BIZZARE.

With circumstances like that, how can one NOT begin to question what is going on.

ESPECIALLY with what has become a mounting body of evidence against the government in such affairs. When you start to notice a pattern in such events, its really hard NOT to start sniffiing at ANYTHING which even has the faintest of fishy odors.

That is my biggest problem with some of the resistance i meet with here.
I'm not asking people to believe that Obama is from Kenya. Hell, i won't believe it unless it is proven to be so. But given the history of government shenanigans one HAS TO be vigilant against such crap, and there is no harm in at least bringing such possibilities to the public attention and focusing some scrutiny on them.

Thats the way i see it, anyhow.

Shit, gotta go to work.
Bummerz.
:(

bootlegger10

I watched all 11 parts of this JFK Jr. documentary. Yes, it seems very fishy the circumstances around his death. But the video has a LARGE STRETCH to get Bush in the water on the day of the crash. The only evidence the movie has for Bush being behind this, is that nobody knows where he was that day (which could be said of millions of Americans), and that Bush still received lots of money after he lost in New Hampshire. That is what makes the makers of the movie say that in a court of law Bush would be convicted of murder. That is a TERRIBLE leap. Yeah, the video does a good job of pointing to a conspiracy, but a terrible job of pointing to George Bush.