I'm talking about FBI agents claiming THEIR OWN AGENCY stopped their OWN AGENTS from investigating the Bin Ladens, and from investigating certain hijackers known to be in the US prior to 9/11. At least one of these agents has actually filed suit against the government for this apparently deliberate derailing of an investigation which very possibly could have led to the capture of these alleged "Al Qaeda" members BEFORE the death of 3000 some odd innoncent lives.
Yet once again, you would rather misrepresent the claims herein stated.
herein states how fucked up and stupid our intelligent agencies were prior to 9/11. we passed on a ton of evidence that could have stopped the attacks. The CIA, NSA, and FBI could have stopped 9/11 countless times but didnt. you seem to think "they" did it on purpose because "they" were the ones really planning and executing these attacks.
who is "they" ? why hasn't one person come forward?
any cover up and shady shit that happened after 9/11 was only done to cover up how incompetent they actually were.
who is "they" ? why hasn't one person come forward?
it took many years after the fact before anyone came forward regarding JFK.
In fact, to my knowledge, the ONLY person actually involved in the whole thing who EVER came forward regarding the events was E Howard Hunt.
And he only did it from his deathbed, and only some 50 years after the damn event happened.
Why would this necessarily be any different?
???
PS - but you know who DID come forward, and told the truth, DAY OF THE TRAGEDY? THE RUSSIANS.
Yep, Russia issued a statement saying that the assassination was the result of a internal government plot to overthrow the president. Of course the American news media, from Cronkite on down, dismissed this as "vile Russian propaganda of the most despicable order".
Just an interesting tid bit for ya.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
it took many years after the fact before anyone came forward regarding JFK.
In fact, to my knowledge, the ONLY person actually involved in the whole thing who EVER came forward regarding the events was E Howard Hunt.
And he only did it from his deathbed, and only some 50 years after the damn event happened.
Why would this necessarily be any different?
???
:rolleyes:
there is a huge difference between assasinating one person and hijacking multiple planes, planting explosives in the worlds largest and busiest office building, coordinating with NORAD, the neocon elements that contruct the plan... massive difference, especially in the amount of man power and how many are invloved
but there is no telling you anything... you believe anything this fancy little box tells you
give me a call when one of the hundreds of 9/11 conspirators comes out with the story :rolleyes:
PS - but you know who DID come forward, and told the truth, DAY OF THE TRAGEDY? THE RUSSIANS.
Yep, Russia issued a statement saying that the assassination was the result of a internal government plot to overthrow the president. Of course the American news media, from Cronkite on down, dismissed this as "vile Russian propaganda of the most despicable order".
Just an interesting tid bit for ya.
so you believe the 1963 Kremlin, but you dont believe anything your government ever says?
dude, you are really grasping... you take any alternative version as fact as long as it paints the american govt as an evil all knowing and all seeing entitity hell bent on world destruction :rolleyes:
it took many years after the fact before anyone came forward regarding JFK.
In fact, to my knowledge, the ONLY person actually involved in the whole thing who EVER came forward regarding the events was E Howard Hunt.
And he only did it from his deathbed, and only some 50 years after the damn event happened.
Why would this necessarily be any different?
???
that was a few generations ago. times were different. people were different. there was no internet, cell phones, computers. saying it happened then (which is debatable) so it can happen now is not proof. dont u get that?
PS - but you know who DID come forward, and told the truth, DAY OF THE TRAGEDY? THE RUSSIANS.
Yep, Russia issued a statement saying that the assassination was the result of a internal government plot to overthrow the president. Of course the American news media, from Cronkite on down, dismissed this as "vile Russian propaganda of the most despicable order".
Just an interesting tid bit for ya.
you sure do love you some russians. you do know who the USSR is/was right?
that was a few generations ago. times were different. people were different. there was no internet, cell phones, computers. saying it happened then (which is debatable) so it can happen now is not proof. dont u get that?
you sure do love you some russians. you do know who the USSR is/was right?
I don't see how cell phones, computers, or the internet make it any easier for someone to come forward in a CREDIBLE fashion with out fear of reprisal.
Technology does not preclude the necessity for a claim to have a source for people like YOU to accept it, right.
So what are you saying, some weasel could come out and post anonymous information on the internet, and you would believe it, with out seeing a source and credentials? Don't you already have PLENTY of that? :rolleyes:
And i'm really not in the mood to play semantic games with you.
Of course i know what the fucking Soviet Union is, and i understand that it is not the same as the Russian Federation.
i don't really give a fuck. I said "The Russians" because it draws out the modern context of the reference.
If we're talking about JFK, and i say "the russians", i think you can make the connection.
Right?
or are you just in that much of a struggle to prove your intellectual superiority?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
but NONE of that changes the fact that there VERY CLEARLY was FOREIGN GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN 911 and US complicity in covering it up ...
war game smoke screens, foreign intelligence services surveilling the grounds the day off, foreign intelligence heads (ISI Chief from Pakistan) wiring 100K dollars to Attah and then being in NYC day before and after 9/11 and our government either denying it, saying (like Biden did) that "it's classified" or otherwise obfuscating the truth, FBI agents saying they were deliberately stopped in their investigations and actually suing the government for this, and of course lets not forget the fact that at least 5 of the 19 SAUDI hijackers WERE TRAINED RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA, AT US MILITARY BASES.
And of course NONE of this will EVER be in a bullshit Discovery Channel documentary.
and none of it will ever be responded to in rational fashion by those like yourself.
Right?
CLEARLY i was correct.
You dodge questions better than anyone else on this board, me thinks.
You don't care to take a stab at any of that, huh?
I mean, except for perverting my statements by insinuating that i am talking about information sharing, when not once did i mention that directly or by inference.
So WHAT ABOUT the dancing israelis, with $7000 in a sock, traces of explosives in their van, and their ADMISSION OF BEING ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE\MOSSAD AGENTS?
That doesn't alarm you in the slightest?
THEY ADMITTED ON TELEVISION THEY WERE SENT TO AMERICA TO FILM THE ATTACKS. THEY ADMIT THEY ARE MOSSAD AGENTS.
How bout that for starters?
And then you can get to all the other revelations reiterated in FABLED ENEMIES regarding prior knowledge, foreign government involvement, and US resistance to allowing the truth out on the airwaves.
Why won't Biden talk about ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, and simply grins and says "That's classified"?
Why does a senator on the 9/11 Commission actually go on national television saying the one thing that really stood out to him was that there was "foreign government involvement" and that this "remains classified" and that many elements of 9/11 remain "unecessarily classified" and that the american people should know?
AND WHY WON'T YOU RESPOND TO ANY OF THIS IN AN HONEST FASHION?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
So WHAT ABOUT the dancing israelis, with $7000 in a sock, traces of explosives in their van, and their ADMISSION OF BEING ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE\MOSSAD AGENTS?
That doesn't alarm you in the slightest?
THEY ADMITTED ON TELEVISION THEY WERE SENT TO AMERICA TO FILM THE ATTACKS. THEY ADMIT THEY ARE MOSSAD AGENTS.
first of all, its reported they had $4800. just need to point out how you will make shit up to exaggerate your claims.
why is it that this is the overwhelming evidence I keep hearing about? what does this prove?
"The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days and given as many as seven lie-detector tests. "
IMO, they should not have been let go. but again, what does this prove?
sure ist possible they may have known something was going to happen. thats supposed to mean the american government planned and executed the attacks?
And then you can get to all the other revelations reiterated in FABLED ENEMIES regarding prior knowledge, foreign government involvement, and US resistance to allowing the truth out on the airwaves.
please refer back to my posts about how much the US intelligence agencys sucked prior to 9/11. its called incompetence.
Why does a senator on the 9/11 Commission actually go on national television saying the one thing that really stood out to him was that there was "foreign government involvement" and that this "remains classified" and that many elements of 9/11 remain "unecessarily classified" and that the american people should know?
yes we should now. lets unclassify everything., im game.
so you believe the 1963 Kremlin, but you dont believe anything your government ever says?
dude, you are really grasping... you take any alternative version as fact as long as it paints the american govt as an evil all knowing and all seeing entitity hell bent on world destruction :rolleyes:
"RUSSIA SAID IT WAS SO!!!!!" hahahahahahaha
Are you fucking shitting me?
I don't have to believe the kremlin.
It was pointed out as ironic commentary pertaining to the OTHER thread regarding Russia.
I don't have to believe the fucking kremlin,
because there are CREDIBLE characters who have come forward to spill the beans.
The most notable would be E. Howard Hunt, who has LONG been accused of being a participant.
The goddamn Federal Government ITSELF, at the conclusion of the House Select Committee on Assasinations SAID SO in 1979:
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy
The HSCA thought the CIA was lying then about its claims that they had no one on staff with the alias "Bishop". They thought Bishop was Phillips. They wanted to prosecute the CIA for purgery, but were not allowed to pursue this aim.
E. Howard Hunt implicates Phillips directly as the man near the top (of his own personal sphere of knowledge, clearly) ...
James Files (who claims to BE the gunman on the knoll) implicates Phillips directly.
Self-Proclaimed (and vouched for by Anna Lewis) mistress of Oswald, Judyth Vary Baker claims Oswald thought his controller was David Atlee Phillips,
and Chauncey Holt, who is proclaimed (and photo ID'd) as one of the "Three Tramps" claims HIS controller was also David Atlee Phillips, and that he did all the badge and counterfit ID work for the job.
Oswald claimed he was "just a patsy"
and Ruby said it was "men in high places. VERY high places."
REALLY FUCKING GRASPING HUH?
Give me a fucking break.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
my favorite theory was the one where the conspiracy folks claimed all the passengers who called from their cell phones in the hijacked planes were "voice-overs"... and not the passengers..
That did it for me.. you lost me..
and I am one of those people who believe in:
Roswell
Bigfoot
JFK assasination was a conspiracy..
so don't paint me as trusting everything my gov't tells me..
but keep asking yourself this one question..
if the goal was for the government to get us into war, invasion the oil fields, etc..
was THIS PLAN (the 9/11 attacks) the most efficient hoax attack to unleash?
I mean, christ, the CIA just could have sank a battleship off the coast of saudia arabia to just blamed Al Queda.. yes?
"This here's a REQUEST!"
EV intro to Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns
10/25/13 Hartford
my favorite theory was the one where the conspiracy folks claimed all the passengers who called from their cell phones in the hijacked planes were "voice-overs"... and not the passengers..
That did it for me.. you lost me..
and I am one of those people who believe in:
Roswell
Bigfoot
JFK assasination was a conspiracy..
so don't paint me as trusting everything my gov't tells me..
but keep asking yourself this one question..
if the goal was for the government to get us into war, invasion the oil fields, etc..
was THIS PLAN (the 9/11 attacks) the most efficient hoax attack to unleash?
I mean, christ, the CIA just could have sank a battleship off the coast of saudia arabia to just blamed Al Queda.. yes?
I'm with you on Roswell, Bigfoot, and JFK. I think I can answer for Drifting (not because I agree, but because it is predictable) that the reason they didn't just sink a battle ship is because it needed to be embedded in the citizens minds and have a true effect on us.
I don't believe that...just saving Drifting a reply
we didnt need any great disaster to invade Iraq in 91. i think they could have just said that those crazy ass Taliban were planning something and that would have been more than enough for most of America.
i have to have a beer with you one day bro, you are one crazy ass mofo!
btw, i notice you are cursing alot today?
Yeah.
i think i'm losing my grip with this board.
May be time to lay off.
Honestly hoping Kat can help me with that.
I already told you i'm ready to buy you a drink.
Just step up next tour.
I'm telling you now, i have just as much fun (probably more) than most on this board.
Boy knows how to party.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
i think i'm losing my grip with this board.
May be time to lay off.
No one is holding a gun to your head. Lay off. There are a million conspiracy sites where everyone can agree with you, it will be Utopia!
And I'm not living this life without you, I'm selfish and clear
And you're not leaving here without me, I don't wanna be without
My best... friend. Wake up, to see you could have it all
Yeah.
i think i'm losing my grip with this board.
May be time to lay off.
Honestly hoping Kat can help me with that.
I already told you i'm ready to buy you a drink.
Just step up next tour.
I'm telling you now, i have just as much fun (probably more) than most on this board.
Boy knows how to party.
no, please stay on the MT
you are friggin hilarious, this place would be boring without you!!!!!
Comments
what a joke
just stating a fact buddy boy. this fact herein causing the problems you stated below...
herein states how fucked up and stupid our intelligent agencies were prior to 9/11. we passed on a ton of evidence that could have stopped the attacks. The CIA, NSA, and FBI could have stopped 9/11 countless times but didnt. you seem to think "they" did it on purpose because "they" were the ones really planning and executing these attacks.
who is "they" ? why hasn't one person come forward?
any cover up and shady shit that happened after 9/11 was only done to cover up how incompetent they actually were.
lay off alex jones, he's an asshole
that statement can go both ways...
Although... if Obama was president he could have stopped the planes with his divine intervention.
it took many years after the fact before anyone came forward regarding JFK.
In fact, to my knowledge, the ONLY person actually involved in the whole thing who EVER came forward regarding the events was E Howard Hunt.
And he only did it from his deathbed, and only some 50 years after the damn event happened.
Why would this necessarily be any different?
???
PS - but you know who DID come forward, and told the truth, DAY OF THE TRAGEDY?
THE RUSSIANS.
Yep, Russia issued a statement saying that the assassination was the result of a internal government plot to overthrow the president. Of course the American news media, from Cronkite on down, dismissed this as "vile Russian propaganda of the most despicable order".
Just an interesting tid bit for ya.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
:rolleyes:
there is a huge difference between assasinating one person and hijacking multiple planes, planting explosives in the worlds largest and busiest office building, coordinating with NORAD, the neocon elements that contruct the plan... massive difference, especially in the amount of man power and how many are invloved
but there is no telling you anything... you believe anything this fancy little box tells you
give me a call when one of the hundreds of 9/11 conspirators comes out with the story :rolleyes:
so you believe the 1963 Kremlin, but you dont believe anything your government ever says?
dude, you are really grasping... you take any alternative version as fact as long as it paints the american govt as an evil all knowing and all seeing entitity hell bent on world destruction :rolleyes:
"RUSSIA SAID IT WAS SO!!!!!" hahahahahahaha
that was a few generations ago. times were different. people were different. there was no internet, cell phones, computers. saying it happened then (which is debatable) so it can happen now is not proof. dont u get that?
you sure do love you some russians. you do know who the USSR is/was right?
I don't see how cell phones, computers, or the internet make it any easier for someone to come forward in a CREDIBLE fashion with out fear of reprisal.
Technology does not preclude the necessity for a claim to have a source for people like YOU to accept it, right.
So what are you saying, some weasel could come out and post anonymous information on the internet, and you would believe it, with out seeing a source and credentials? Don't you already have PLENTY of that? :rolleyes:
And i'm really not in the mood to play semantic games with you.
Of course i know what the fucking Soviet Union is, and i understand that it is not the same as the Russian Federation.
i don't really give a fuck. I said "The Russians" because it draws out the modern context of the reference.
If we're talking about JFK, and i say "the russians", i think you can make the connection.
Right?
or are you just in that much of a struggle to prove your intellectual superiority?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
CLEARLY i was correct.
You dodge questions better than anyone else on this board, me thinks.
You don't care to take a stab at any of that, huh?
I mean, except for perverting my statements by insinuating that i am talking about information sharing, when not once did i mention that directly or by inference.
So WHAT ABOUT the dancing israelis, with $7000 in a sock, traces of explosives in their van, and their ADMISSION OF BEING ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE\MOSSAD AGENTS?
That doesn't alarm you in the slightest?
THEY ADMITTED ON TELEVISION THEY WERE SENT TO AMERICA TO FILM THE ATTACKS. THEY ADMIT THEY ARE MOSSAD AGENTS.
How bout that for starters?
And then you can get to all the other revelations reiterated in FABLED ENEMIES regarding prior knowledge, foreign government involvement, and US resistance to allowing the truth out on the airwaves.
Why won't Biden talk about ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, and simply grins and says "That's classified"?
Why does a senator on the 9/11 Commission actually go on national television saying the one thing that really stood out to him was that there was "foreign government involvement" and that this "remains classified" and that many elements of 9/11 remain "unecessarily classified" and that the american people should know?
AND WHY WON'T YOU RESPOND TO ANY OF THIS IN AN HONEST FASHION?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
debating with you about this is like debating outlaw about Israel. you dont see it any other way then how Alex Jones portrays it. so whats the point?
first of all, its reported they had $4800. just need to point out how you will make shit up to exaggerate your claims.
why is it that this is the overwhelming evidence I keep hearing about? what does this prove?
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Bollyn-dancing-Israelis.html
"The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days and given as many as seven lie-detector tests. "
IMO, they should not have been let go. but again, what does this prove?
sure ist possible they may have known something was going to happen. thats supposed to mean the american government planned and executed the attacks?
please refer back to my posts about how much the US intelligence agencys sucked prior to 9/11. its called incompetence.
the US is in bed with many shady ass characters. why does this surprise you? again, this proves nothing
yes we should now. lets unclassify everything., im game.
you are an alex jones brainwashed solider. dont talk to me about honesty.
I don't have to believe the kremlin.
It was pointed out as ironic commentary pertaining to the OTHER thread regarding Russia.
I don't have to believe the fucking kremlin,
because there are CREDIBLE characters who have come forward to spill the beans.
The most notable would be E. Howard Hunt, who has LONG been accused of being a participant.
The goddamn Federal Government ITSELF, at the conclusion of the House Select Committee on Assasinations SAID SO in 1979:
They hauled Antonio Veciana in to testify that he believed "Maurice Bishop" was indeed CIA Western Hemisphere Operations Chief, David Atlee Phillips. url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5262646400103196900&ei=YmHFSPP3FJTEqQLLtq25BQ&q=o%27reilly+jfk&vt=lf&hl=en]Bill Oreilly reported on it![/url ... and 3 days later the guy ends up with a bullet in his head (but miraculously survives and WON'T talk about it again)!
The HSCA thought the CIA was lying then about its claims that they had no one on staff with the alias "Bishop". They thought Bishop was Phillips. They wanted to prosecute the CIA for purgery, but were not allowed to pursue this aim.
E. Howard Hunt implicates Phillips directly as the man near the top (of his own personal sphere of knowledge, clearly) ...
James Files (who claims to BE the gunman on the knoll) implicates Phillips directly.
Self-Proclaimed (and vouched for by Anna Lewis) mistress of Oswald, Judyth Vary Baker claims Oswald thought his controller was David Atlee Phillips,
and Chauncey Holt, who is proclaimed (and photo ID'd) as one of the "Three Tramps" claims HIS controller was also David Atlee Phillips, and that he did all the badge and counterfit ID work for the job.
Oswald claimed he was "just a patsy"
and Ruby said it was "men in high places. VERY high places."
REALLY FUCKING GRASPING HUH?
Give me a fucking break.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
That did it for me.. you lost me..
and I am one of those people who believe in:
Roswell
Bigfoot
JFK assasination was a conspiracy..
so don't paint me as trusting everything my gov't tells me..
but keep asking yourself this one question..
if the goal was for the government to get us into war, invasion the oil fields, etc..
was THIS PLAN (the 9/11 attacks) the most efficient hoax attack to unleash?
I mean, christ, the CIA just could have sank a battleship off the coast of saudia arabia to just blamed Al Queda.. yes?
EV intro to Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns
10/25/13 Hartford
I'm with you on Roswell, Bigfoot, and JFK. I think I can answer for Drifting (not because I agree, but because it is predictable) that the reason they didn't just sink a battle ship is because it needed to be embedded in the citizens minds and have a true effect on us.
I don't believe that...just saving Drifting a reply
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
i have to have a beer with you one day bro, you are one crazy ass mofo!
btw, i notice you are cursing alot today?
Yeah.
i think i'm losing my grip with this board.
May be time to lay off.
Honestly hoping Kat can help me with that.
I already told you i'm ready to buy you a drink.
Just step up next tour.
I'm telling you now, i have just as much fun (probably more) than most on this board.
Boy knows how to party.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
May be time to lay off.
No one is holding a gun to your head. Lay off. There are a million conspiracy sites where everyone can agree with you, it will be Utopia!
And you're not leaving here without me, I don't wanna be without
My best... friend. Wake up, to see you could have it all
no, please stay on the MT
you are friggin hilarious, this place would be boring without you!!!!!