According to Russian "Propaganda" -- US\NATO Lying To Defend Georgia
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Yeah, i said "propaganda" because i know there is a large faction out there that somehow believes that the US Government is the sole representative of truth on the world stage. Conversely, everything Russia says must be untenable lies aimed at destabilizing a united world and advancing its own oppressive agenda.
Right?
In any event:
NATO’s navy delivers weapons to Georgia under guise of humanitarian aid
Pravda
August 27, 2008
NATO has been increasing its naval presence in the Black Sea during the recent several days.
“The US Navy destroyer USS McFaul, which is currently docked in the Georgian port of Batumi, carries about 50 Tomahawk cruise missiles on board. They are outfitted with nuclear warheads and are meant to hit ground targets. The remaining NATO ships are currently concentrated in the northern part of the Black Sea,” a source in the military intelligence of the Russian Federation said.
He added that other NATO ships drifting in the Black Sea were armed with 64 anti-ship Harpoon missiles and about eight helicopters.
Washington insists that the ships, which appeared near Georgia’s shores, have been deployed there in accordance with George W. Bush’s decision, who ordered to deliver humanitarian aid to the Georgian military. Other NATO warships – Germany’s Luebeck, Spain’s Adm. Juan de Bourbon and Poland’s General K. Pulaski arrived to the shores of Bulgaria and Romania to participate in the military exercise that was scheduled along ago and has nothing to do with the conflict in Georgia.
“It is strange that such a large group of NATO warships has arrived for a joint exercise with Bulgaria or Romania. Usually, only one or two warships participate in such exercises, so the attempts to substantiate the presence of the naval group with a military exercise does not withstand any criticism,” the source said.
“It is clear that all statements made by the political and defense administration of NATO members are accompanied with outspoken militarist demarches. The use of nuclear weapons by NATO ships in the Black Sea is out of the question. The conventional weapons, which the NATO naval group has in the region, are more than enough to achieve any defense goals, which can be exemplified with Yugoslavia,” the source said.
The port of Batumi is the only port, which US warships can access on the Georgian territory. The port of Poti, which is larger and more convenient, remains under the control of Russia’s troops.
Russia’s President Dmitry Medvedev said in an interview with Al-Jazeera in Sochi that Russia’s recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia had only one goal – to help the people living in the two republics.
“There are no other motives in our actions,” Medvedev said answering the question about Russia’s possible intention to destabilize the government of Mikhail Saakashvili and change the political regime in the country, RIA Novosti reports.
“We only want to help the people who find themselves in trouble today. As for Saakashvili and his regime, we do not like it indeed. It is obvious that he did not only make a mistake but committed a crime. He must account for this crime to the people of Georgia and to the international community,” Medvedev said.
Medvedev emphasized that Russia had acknowledged the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia to stop the extermination of their nations and help the regions to their feet. The president also stressed out that Moscow had completely carried out its pledges of the Medvedev-Sarkozy agreement. He added that the Russian troops had been pulled out from Georgia except for the so-called safety strip.
When asked whether Russian troops are still present in Georgia, Medvedev responded that such statements were not true to fact.
Russia is concerned about a possibility to deliver military hardware to Georgia on board NATO warships, which would only escalate the tension in the Caucasus.
“The absence of control over the cargoes, which NATO warships deliver to Georgia cannot but raise concerns with us. When there’s no control, there’s no guarantee that various weapons, for example man-portable missile systems, have not been or will not be delivered to Georgia. It can also be reconnaissance equipment including unmanned aerial vehicles,” the source said.
“We have the main attack force of NATO’s navy in the Black Sea, which acts under the guise of delivering humanitarian cargo or holding military exercises,” the source added.
In the meantime, Georgia is ready to single-handedly cut diplomatic ties with Russia. It will happen in response to Russia’s recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Georgia’s Minister for Reintegration Timure Yakobashvili believes that Russia will not be alone in the implementation of the plan to dismember Georgia, as he said.
“It is quite possible that Russia has already won the support of some countries. But it is not ‘some countries’ that determine world politics. It is not an honor for Russia to be on the list with such subjects either,” he said.
The official added that Georgia would never put up with the loss of territories.
“The actions, which Russia has taken, will boomerang against it,” Yakobashvili said.
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In any event:
NATO’s navy delivers weapons to Georgia under guise of humanitarian aid
Pravda
August 27, 2008
NATO has been increasing its naval presence in the Black Sea during the recent several days.
“The US Navy destroyer USS McFaul, which is currently docked in the Georgian port of Batumi, carries about 50 Tomahawk cruise missiles on board. They are outfitted with nuclear warheads and are meant to hit ground targets. The remaining NATO ships are currently concentrated in the northern part of the Black Sea,” a source in the military intelligence of the Russian Federation said.
He added that other NATO ships drifting in the Black Sea were armed with 64 anti-ship Harpoon missiles and about eight helicopters.
Washington insists that the ships, which appeared near Georgia’s shores, have been deployed there in accordance with George W. Bush’s decision, who ordered to deliver humanitarian aid to the Georgian military. Other NATO warships – Germany’s Luebeck, Spain’s Adm. Juan de Bourbon and Poland’s General K. Pulaski arrived to the shores of Bulgaria and Romania to participate in the military exercise that was scheduled along ago and has nothing to do with the conflict in Georgia.
“It is strange that such a large group of NATO warships has arrived for a joint exercise with Bulgaria or Romania. Usually, only one or two warships participate in such exercises, so the attempts to substantiate the presence of the naval group with a military exercise does not withstand any criticism,” the source said.
“It is clear that all statements made by the political and defense administration of NATO members are accompanied with outspoken militarist demarches. The use of nuclear weapons by NATO ships in the Black Sea is out of the question. The conventional weapons, which the NATO naval group has in the region, are more than enough to achieve any defense goals, which can be exemplified with Yugoslavia,” the source said.
The port of Batumi is the only port, which US warships can access on the Georgian territory. The port of Poti, which is larger and more convenient, remains under the control of Russia’s troops.
Russia’s President Dmitry Medvedev said in an interview with Al-Jazeera in Sochi that Russia’s recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia had only one goal – to help the people living in the two republics.
“There are no other motives in our actions,” Medvedev said answering the question about Russia’s possible intention to destabilize the government of Mikhail Saakashvili and change the political regime in the country, RIA Novosti reports.
“We only want to help the people who find themselves in trouble today. As for Saakashvili and his regime, we do not like it indeed. It is obvious that he did not only make a mistake but committed a crime. He must account for this crime to the people of Georgia and to the international community,” Medvedev said.
Medvedev emphasized that Russia had acknowledged the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia to stop the extermination of their nations and help the regions to their feet. The president also stressed out that Moscow had completely carried out its pledges of the Medvedev-Sarkozy agreement. He added that the Russian troops had been pulled out from Georgia except for the so-called safety strip.
When asked whether Russian troops are still present in Georgia, Medvedev responded that such statements were not true to fact.
Russia is concerned about a possibility to deliver military hardware to Georgia on board NATO warships, which would only escalate the tension in the Caucasus.
“The absence of control over the cargoes, which NATO warships deliver to Georgia cannot but raise concerns with us. When there’s no control, there’s no guarantee that various weapons, for example man-portable missile systems, have not been or will not be delivered to Georgia. It can also be reconnaissance equipment including unmanned aerial vehicles,” the source said.
“We have the main attack force of NATO’s navy in the Black Sea, which acts under the guise of delivering humanitarian cargo or holding military exercises,” the source added.
In the meantime, Georgia is ready to single-handedly cut diplomatic ties with Russia. It will happen in response to Russia’s recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Georgia’s Minister for Reintegration Timure Yakobashvili believes that Russia will not be alone in the implementation of the plan to dismember Georgia, as he said.
“It is quite possible that Russia has already won the support of some countries. But it is not ‘some countries’ that determine world politics. It is not an honor for Russia to be on the list with such subjects either,” he said.
The official added that Georgia would never put up with the loss of territories.
“The actions, which Russia has taken, will boomerang against it,” Yakobashvili said.
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the us says russia is evil for keeping countries like georgia and the balkans under its thumb during the days of the iron curtain.
the us says georgia is good and aids it in keeping various factions under its thumb.
Not to mention, i don't think the US wants to get in to a tit-for-tat with ole Mother Russia on whose human rights atrocities are worse.
Do we really need to see the disgusting list of US sponsored genocides\oppressions\assassinations\revolutions world wide?
The phrase "no room to talk" comes to mind when i hear all this bullshit coming from US politicians over this matter.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
we're fighting for capitalism though, that makes us the good guys over those commies. jesus was all for free markets. don't you read the bible? "thou shalt make a shit ton of money and fuck whoever gets hurt by your greedy self-interest."
You can't even be a reporter in Russia and write against the Kremlin and live to write another article, but the US is the big bad guy. This is very old. What good has Russia done in the last 80 years? They've managed to kill more innocent people than Hitler, run the country into the ground with no economy, and now only exist because there is money in oil. Give me a break.
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i'm not saying russia is saintly or america is evil, im just saying who the fuck cares if georgia splits up into 3-4 different countries? what the hell has that got to do with us? why are my tax dollars going to send a shitload of battle ships over there to putter around in some swaggering bullshit show of force?
And now Putin is saying that America orchestrated the conflict to benefit one of the presidential candidates, despite having no evidence to back it up. Doesn't say which candidate it was, but obviously McCain since the Bush administration wouldn't do anything to boost Obama.
But this is just absurd. The conflict started be cause South Ossetia attacked Georgian peacekeepers with weapons they weren't allowed to have per a 1994 agreement. George fought back, some Russian peace keepers were killled and Russia vastly over reacted by invading Georgia.
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php
At any rate, this is getting ridiculous and all the progress made since the end of the Cold War is on the precipice of being flushed down the toilet.
2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
Georgia "fought back" and Russia "vastly over reacted"?
My sources have it that Georgia did a sneak attack on those two cities killing SEVERAL THOUSAND peacekeepers and civilians. Heavy on the civilians.
If Russia "over reacted" to the death of several thousand,
what would you call the US response after 9/11 ?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
9/11 *massive* stand down order...
hmm...
the sad part is not only do a lot of people think 9/11 was legit...they think Iraq was an appropriate response regardless....
kill brown...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Of course an over-reaction. All our efforts should have been on Afghanistan, the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Not using it to go after Bush's Axis of Evil and help get back at the dictator who tried to kill his daddy.
The fact of the matter here is Russia had not grounds to intervene here. It was a domestic event in Georgia (essentially a fermenting Civil war).
2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
South Ossetia says Russia intends to absorb region
TSKHINVALI, Georgia - Russia intends to eventually absorb Georgia's breakaway province of South Ossetia, a South Ossetian official said Friday, three days after Moscow recognized the region as independent and drew criticism from the West.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and the region's leader, Eduard Kokoity, discussed the future of South Ossetia earlier this week in Moscow, South Ossetian parliamentary speaker Znaur Gassiyev said.
Russia will absorb South Ossetia "in several years" or earlier, a position was "firmly stated by both leaders," Gassiyev said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_re_eu/georgia
*holds up mirror*
How much of this conflict has to do with pipelines? All I see is talk of historic ethnic disputes, and alliances. The pipelines running thru Georgia are pretty fuckin important...
how does Russia fit into your grand Bilderburg conspiracy? are they left out in the cold? i know China is in. does that mean they aren't really allied to Russia as much any more?
fascinating stuff.
if we compare body counts, i'd still say USSR/Russia beats us by a landslide. not that it matters much.
are there pipelines running through South Ossetia, and were those pipelines in danger of becoming Russian if Georgia didnt act? The motives for Georgia trying to move Ruskies out of Ossetia remain unclear to me. but i agree that the US or Russia wouldnt give a shit about it except for pipelines.
i heard that. why do US troops need to be involved over whether a Russian flag or a Georgian flag flies over the Georgian province and her 70,000 residents?
not that it matters. we cant do shit about it anyway. no way are we gonna do anything about it.
you dont think we can do anything to russia.... we have nuclear warheads scattered across europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Caucasus-ethnic_en.svg
Doesn't look like the pipelines go right thru Ossetia, but you can bet that with the political/military dance being done to keep Russia and Iran out of the path of the Caspian and Afghan pipelines needed to supply Europe, the West is doing what they can to keep Georgia happy.
The history of the proposed pipelines is kinda confusing...but I think it's a much bigger issue there than is being portrayed in the media.
If it's a power struggle over energy, there is a lot of finger pointing to do on all sides.
I found Democracy Now!'s take on the pipeline angle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43DQ9Af5Rhs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4pjnmEXJp4&feature=related
I also watched a couple of Fox News vids that blamed this all on Georgia wanting into NATO (noted), and the Russian perception of Georgian democracy as a threat :rolleyes: bbbrrrrrrr...
anywhere putin is, and anything he is involved in, is cause for concern. that man is shiftier than snidely whiplash and as dangerous as the plague.
who says the 'cold war' is over? i say it never existed in the first place and this is the 'natural' order of things.
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