OK, I don't know if it's possible or impossible but how fucked up would it be if something like that actually created a black hole. Holy crap! In trying to understand the origin of the universe we destroy it. Now that is some cosmic irony, my friends.
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OK, I don't know if it's possible or impossible but how fucked up would it be if something like that actually created a black hole. Holy crap! In trying to understand the origin of the universe we destroy it. Now that is some cosmic irony, my friends.
It sure is, my friend.
It sure is.
Anyhow.
Off to work i am.
Enjoyed my time here, i have.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
1. imho, goober was used in a playful manner to indicate to you that telling me "it's foolish to compare the guy in the article to Einstein" when i specificaly indicated that i was NOT comparing him to einstein is, in fact, just silly. How could you miss that? You accused me of doing something i specificaly did not do.
2. This thread started off pretty well, even considering your initial veiled jab of "I've read that whole story, like a week ago." ... which, wether you want to admit it or not, is a condescending comment, indicating, "yawn. this is old hat. lame for bringing it up".
3. it IS asinine to insinuate that someone who may or may not know what he is talking about (Wagner) is getting his ideas from a movie from the 1990s, when there are articles from the current decade indicating that what you are calling fiction HAS in fact occured.
And yet you would rather continue with character assassination then simply address some simple questions.
:(
you made an attempt at comparing him to Einstein. not so much in comparison of achievements or potential for achievements but in comparing educational backgrounds. when I think we could both agree that minds like Einstein's are few and far between and that it's a very safe bet that this guy is no Einstein. what this has to do with calling a fellow board member a "goober" is lost on me.
what I meant by saying that I read this a week ago was not so much to suggest that it was old hat, but that I had already looked at the credentials of the 2 "scientists" and find them to be unqualified to make such bold claims about a group of people who are clearly more qualified than them about this contraption that's being made.
you know full well that I was joking about the movie. but have you watched it?? there are actually ARE some crazy parallels between "Event Horizen" and the suggestions that are being made by these 2.
I'm not attempting "character assassination", I'm attempting to make you understand that having an undergrad degree in biology does not really qualify someone, imo, to say that the world is going to come to an end if some highly educated researchers make a very tiny black hole to study it's effects, how it's made, etc. when vaccines for what are now considered to be common illnesses first came about, I'm sure there were self-described scientists that said these vaccines were going to be the end of life as we know it too.
OK, I don't know if it's possible or impossible but how fucked up would it be if something like that actually created a black hole. Holy crap! In trying to understand the origin of the universe we destroy it. Now that is some cosmic irony, my friends.
mankind is eventually going to destroy earth, I have no doubt about that. I don't necessarily think it will be because of a tiny black hole though. but for these 2 to make such arrogant claims that mankind could destroy the whole universe even if they wanted to....just a dumb, silly claim imo and more proof that these 2 are crackpots.
you made an attempt at comparing him to Einstein. not so much in comparison of achievements or potential for achievements but in comparing educational backgrounds. when I think we could both agree that minds like Einstein's are few and far between and that it's a very safe bet that this guy is no Einstein. what this has to do with calling a fellow board member a "goober" is lost on me.
what I meant by saying that I read this a week ago was not so much to suggest that it was old hat, but that I had already looked at the credentials of the 2 "scientists" and find them to be unqualified to make such bold claims about a group of people who are clearly more qualified than them about this contraption that's being made.
you know full well that I was joking about the movie. but have you watched it?? there are actually ARE some crazy parallels between "Event Horizen" and the suggestions that are being made by these 2.
I'm not attempting "character assassination", I'm attempting to make you understand that having an undergrad degree in biology does not really qualify someone, imo, to say that the world is going to come to an end if some highly educated researchers make a very tiny black hole to study it's effects, how it's made, etc. when vaccines for what are now considered to be common illnesses first came about, I'm sure there were self-described scientists that said these vaccines were going to be the end of life as we know it too.
a. i'm glad we're back to a discussion.
b. i REALLY do have to get ready for work.
c. i understand that YOU think it is not possible to be "qualified" with only 3 years of college physics.
d. it sure didn't seem to stop einstein. (okay so the extra year is what helps?)
e. yes, i agree. einstein was "gifted". That is what i was trying to get you to acknowledge. It was not his 4 years in college that made him qualified. It was an exceptional mind.
f. i have no idea what this Wagner guys intellectual capacity is regarding physics. However it stands that he has done something fairly uncommon (discovering a new particle?) and you would rather continue insinuating that he has zero understanding of what he is talking about. I submit that you, like I, have no idea what his intellectual qualification is or is not.
g. i watched event horizon a long time ago (when it came out in the theatres, primarily because Fishbourne was in it) ... i found it not only unecessarily violent, but also lacking in any real substance. I can't honestly remember much of it. Except violence, and a light speed drive that was based on antimatter or something. I guess i see the comparison.
h. I still think its a bit over-critical of you to insinuate the things you are against this man, who is only trying to seek proper environmental assessment of this facility.
HAVE to go!
-dbts-
ps -
i. sorry i called you a "goober"
like i said it was intended in a playful manner (up to that point, the thread had been mostly amicable, then you said i was being foolish, so i responded, IN JEST)
i am SORRY and apologize if you interpret that as the catalyst for the derision and diversion that ensued. i viewed "being foolish" as a personal attack, and i'm still working on "turn the other cheek"
respectfuly not perfect
-dbts-
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
OK, I don't know if it's possible or impossible but how fucked up would it be if something like that actually created a black hole. Holy crap! In trying to understand the origin of the universe we destroy it. Now that is some cosmic irony, my friends.
Ha, ha. You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. In this case, however, one of the eggs could be our own solar system. Eh, whatchagonnado? But from what I've read, it doesn't look like they'll get this thing up to speed until Fall '08 so at least I'll get to see a couple more PJ shows before being sucked through the portal. See you on the other side.
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It sure is, my friend.
It sure is.
Anyhow.
Off to work i am.
Enjoyed my time here, i have.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
you made an attempt at comparing him to Einstein. not so much in comparison of achievements or potential for achievements but in comparing educational backgrounds. when I think we could both agree that minds like Einstein's are few and far between and that it's a very safe bet that this guy is no Einstein. what this has to do with calling a fellow board member a "goober" is lost on me.
what I meant by saying that I read this a week ago was not so much to suggest that it was old hat, but that I had already looked at the credentials of the 2 "scientists" and find them to be unqualified to make such bold claims about a group of people who are clearly more qualified than them about this contraption that's being made.
you know full well that I was joking about the movie. but have you watched it?? there are actually ARE some crazy parallels between "Event Horizen" and the suggestions that are being made by these 2.
I'm not attempting "character assassination", I'm attempting to make you understand that having an undergrad degree in biology does not really qualify someone, imo, to say that the world is going to come to an end if some highly educated researchers make a very tiny black hole to study it's effects, how it's made, etc. when vaccines for what are now considered to be common illnesses first came about, I'm sure there were self-described scientists that said these vaccines were going to be the end of life as we know it too.
mankind is eventually going to destroy earth, I have no doubt about that. I don't necessarily think it will be because of a tiny black hole though. but for these 2 to make such arrogant claims that mankind could destroy the whole universe even if they wanted to....just a dumb, silly claim imo and more proof that these 2 are crackpots.
a. i'm glad we're back to a discussion.
b. i REALLY do have to get ready for work.
c. i understand that YOU think it is not possible to be "qualified" with only 3 years of college physics.
d. it sure didn't seem to stop einstein. (okay so the extra year is what helps?)
e. yes, i agree. einstein was "gifted". That is what i was trying to get you to acknowledge. It was not his 4 years in college that made him qualified. It was an exceptional mind.
f. i have no idea what this Wagner guys intellectual capacity is regarding physics. However it stands that he has done something fairly uncommon (discovering a new particle?) and you would rather continue insinuating that he has zero understanding of what he is talking about. I submit that you, like I, have no idea what his intellectual qualification is or is not.
g. i watched event horizon a long time ago (when it came out in the theatres, primarily because Fishbourne was in it) ... i found it not only unecessarily violent, but also lacking in any real substance. I can't honestly remember much of it. Except violence, and a light speed drive that was based on antimatter or something. I guess i see the comparison.
h. I still think its a bit over-critical of you to insinuate the things you are against this man, who is only trying to seek proper environmental assessment of this facility.
HAVE to go!
-dbts-
ps -
i. sorry i called you a "goober"
like i said it was intended in a playful manner (up to that point, the thread had been mostly amicable, then you said i was being foolish, so i responded, IN JEST)
i am SORRY and apologize if you interpret that as the catalyst for the derision and diversion that ensued. i viewed "being foolish" as a personal attack, and i'm still working on "turn the other cheek"
respectfuly not perfect
-dbts-
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Ha, ha. You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. In this case, however, one of the eggs could be our own solar system. Eh, whatchagonnado? But from what I've read, it doesn't look like they'll get this thing up to speed until Fall '08 so at least I'll get to see a couple more PJ shows before being sucked through the portal. See you on the other side.
FOR SCIENCE!