NY Times: "Asking a Judge to Save the World, and Maybe a Whole Lot More"

MLC2006

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Your claims against this man are even more unsubstantiated than (so says you) the claims he is making against the proponents of this collider.

:rolleyes:

actually, they're not. I said that having a few college physics classes and a degree in biology does not qualify one to challenge leading scientists, and it doesn't.

MLC2006

Flannel Shirt wrote:

ha ha h a ha ha ha! this is awesome. I can see this on South Park in the next few weeks.

Sure, we are pretty intelligent AND irresponsible, but does anyone REALLY think we can cause a black hole? A freaking black hole? One of the biggest mysteries of all that is known? Or a starmunchkin thing that turns us into strange matter?

Come on now?

This was actually a movie called "Event Horizon" starring Sam Neil and Lawrence Fishbourne from the late 90s. a pretty decent movie actually. of course, it was 100% fiction. I imagine that movie is where these 2 crackpots got their ideas from.

DriftingByTheStorm

MLC2006 wrote:

This was actually a movie called "Event Horizon" starring Sam Neil and Lawrence Fishbourne from the late 90s. a pretty decent movie actually. of course, it was 100% fiction. I imagine that movie is where these 2 crackpots got their ideas from.

You guys are being fucking asinine.
BBC Article from 2005: Lab fireball 'may be black hole'
Fox News 2008: Scientists Create Artificial Black Hole in Lab

These two fellows are not fucking morons.
They don't claim that this is some 100% certain event that will occur. They say that we are dealing with fucking subatomic physics which is at the very cusp of scientific understanding. We are dealing with laws of physics that we just barely understand. It thus stands to reason, that we could end up causing some unintended consequences.

YOU are the ones looking more and more like idiots by the moment, not me.

:rolleyes:

MLC2006

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

You guys are being fucking asinine.
BBC Article from 2005: Lab fireball 'may be black hole'
Fox News 2008: Scientists Create Artificial Black Hole in Lab

These two fellows are not fucking morons.
They don't claim that this is some 100% certain event that will occur. They say that we are dealing with fucking subatomic physics which is at the very cusp of scientific understanding. We are dealing with laws of physics that we just barely understand. It thus stands to reason, that we could end up causing some unintended consequences.

YOU are the ones looking more and more like idiots by the moment, not me.

:rolleyes:

I for one didn't call you an idiot, and don't recall anyone else in this thread calling you an idiot. but when you're losing an argument and you resort to name calling, it cheapens any argument that you may have.

ajedigecko

MLC2006 wrote:

I for one didn't call you an idiot, and don't recall anyone else in this thread calling you an idiot. but when you're losing an argument and you resort to name calling, it cheapens any argument that you may have.

no worries.....i do not mind be called an idiot. my wife thinks some of the things i do are idiotic, but man white water rafting is fun.

Flannel Shirt

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

You guys are being fucking asinine.
BBC Article from 2005: Lab fireball 'may be black hole'
Fox News 2008: Scientists Create Artificial Black Hole in Lab

These two fellows are not fucking morons.
They don't claim that this is some 100% certain event that will occur. They say that we are dealing with fucking subatomic physics which is at the very cusp of scientific understanding. We are dealing with laws of physics that we just barely understand. It thus stands to reason, that we could end up causing some unintended consequences.

YOU are the ones looking more and more like idiots by the moment, not me.

:rolleyes:

quick question from one of the idiots....

is the fire/black hole still burning? if not, how does someone put it out?

imagine if they created a mini sun that you can carry around in a lead box (it would have to be lead I assume) and you have special gloves and you can just bust it out when it gets dark. You could train it to float next to you? you know, like a flashlight.

DriftingByTheStorm

MLC2006 wrote:

I for one didn't call you an idiot, and don't recall anyone else in this thread calling you an idiot. but when you're losing an argument and you resort to name calling, it cheapens any argument that you may have.

You're right, you said, "It makes you look FOOLISH",
so sorry.

And all said is, "looking more like an idiot".
So you didn't call me a fool, and i didn't call you an idiot.
:cool:

And who was being a condescending shmuck first?

Losing an argument my ass.
You were simply making ad hominem attacks.

Again, reap what you sow.

Still looking foolish, bub.

DriftingByTheStorm

Flannel Shirt wrote:

quick question from one of the idiots....

is the fire/black hole still burning? if not, how does someone put it out?

imagine if they created a mini sun that you can carry around in a lead box (it would have to be lead I assume) and you have special gloves and you can just bust it out when it gets dark. You could train it to float next to you? you know, like a flashlight.

i believe what has been suggested is that the blackhole they allegedly created did not accquire enough new mass to sustain itself.

The guy ya'll think is a blooming moron, this Wagner fellow, remains cautiously skeptical that they have atually created such a hole, for the same reasons actualy.

So are you agreeing with this uncredentialed wacko?

MLC2006

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

You're right, you said, "It makes you look FOOLISH",
so sorry.

And all said is, "looking more like an idiot".
So you didn't call me a fool, and i didn't call you an idiot.
:cool:

And who was being a condescending shmuck first?

Losing an argument my ass.
You were simply making ad hominem attacks.

Again, reap what you sow.

Still looking foolish, bub.

here's what I said......"you can write an article poking fun at him if you want to make yourself look foolish. just as it's foolish to compare the guy in the article to Einstein". now, please don't misquote me again.

now, you called me "goober", said the dissenters were being "fucking asinine", etc etc.

this guy Wagner is a crackpot. I have a friend with a degree in biology that's working campus police at a local university. maybe I'll call and ask his opinion on this whole ordeal.

by the overwhelming responses you've got, you've lost this argument. try to play nicer next time.

DriftingByTheStorm

MLC2006 wrote:

here's what I said......"you can write an article poking fun at him if you want to make yourself look foolish. just as it's foolish to compare the guy in the article to Einstein". now, please don't misquote me again.

now, you called me "goober", said the dissenters were being "fucking asinine", etc etc.

this guy Wagner is a crackpot. I have a friend with a degree in biology that's working campus police at a local university. maybe I'll call and ask his opinion on this whole ordeal.

by the overwhelming responses you've got, you've lost this argument. try to play nicer next time.

1. imho, goober was used in a playful manner to indicate to you that telling me "it's foolish to compare the guy in the article to Einstein" when i specificaly indicated that i was NOT comparing him to einstein is, in fact, just silly. How could you miss that? You accused me of doing something i specificaly did not do.

2. This thread started off pretty well, even considering your initial veiled jab of "I've read that whole story, like a week ago." ... which, wether you want to admit it or not, is a condescending comment, indicating, "yawn. this is old hat. lame for bringing it up".

3. it IS asinine to insinuate that someone who may or may not know what he is talking about (Wagner) is getting his ideas from a movie from the 1990s, when there are articles from the current decade indicating that what you are calling fiction HAS in fact occured.

And yet you would rather continue with character assassination then simply address some simple questions.

:(

PJ_Saluki

OK, I don't know if it's possible or impossible but how fucked up would it be if something like that actually created a black hole. Holy crap! In trying to understand the origin of the universe we destroy it. Now that is some cosmic irony, my friends.

DriftingByTheStorm

PJ_Saluki wrote:

OK, I don't know if it's possible or impossible but how fucked up would it be if something like that actually created a black hole. Holy crap! In trying to understand the origin of the universe we destroy it. Now that is some cosmic irony, my friends.

It sure is, my friend.
It sure is.

Anyhow.
Off to work i am.
Enjoyed my time here, i have.

MLC2006

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

1. imho, goober was used in a playful manner to indicate to you that telling me "it's foolish to compare the guy in the article to Einstein" when i specificaly indicated that i was NOT comparing him to einstein is, in fact, just silly. How could you miss that? You accused me of doing something i specificaly did not do.

2. This thread started off pretty well, even considering your initial veiled jab of "I've read that whole story, like a week ago." ... which, wether you want to admit it or not, is a condescending comment, indicating, "yawn. this is old hat. lame for bringing it up".

3. it IS asinine to insinuate that someone who may or may not know what he is talking about (Wagner) is getting his ideas from a movie from the 1990s, when there are articles from the current decade indicating that what you are calling fiction HAS in fact occured.

And yet you would rather continue with character assassination then simply address some simple questions.

:(

you made an attempt at comparing him to Einstein. not so much in comparison of achievements or potential for achievements but in comparing educational backgrounds. when I think we could both agree that minds like Einstein's are few and far between and that it's a very safe bet that this guy is no Einstein. what this has to do with calling a fellow board member a "goober" is lost on me.

what I meant by saying that I read this a week ago was not so much to suggest that it was old hat, but that I had already looked at the credentials of the 2 "scientists" and find them to be unqualified to make such bold claims about a group of people who are clearly more qualified than them about this contraption that's being made.

you know full well that I was joking about the movie. but have you watched it?? there are actually ARE some crazy parallels between "Event Horizen" and the suggestions that are being made by these 2.

I'm not attempting "character assassination", I'm attempting to make you understand that having an undergrad degree in biology does not really qualify someone, imo, to say that the world is going to come to an end if some highly educated researchers make a very tiny black hole to study it's effects, how it's made, etc. when vaccines for what are now considered to be common illnesses first came about, I'm sure there were self-described scientists that said these vaccines were going to be the end of life as we know it too.

MLC2006

PJ_Saluki wrote:

OK, I don't know if it's possible or impossible but how fucked up would it be if something like that actually created a black hole. Holy crap! In trying to understand the origin of the universe we destroy it. Now that is some cosmic irony, my friends.

mankind is eventually going to destroy earth, I have no doubt about that. I don't necessarily think it will be because of a tiny black hole though. but for these 2 to make such arrogant claims that mankind could destroy the whole universe even if they wanted to....just a dumb, silly claim imo and more proof that these 2 are crackpots.

DriftingByTheStorm

MLC2006 wrote:

you made an attempt at comparing him to Einstein. not so much in comparison of achievements or potential for achievements but in comparing educational backgrounds. when I think we could both agree that minds like Einstein's are few and far between and that it's a very safe bet that this guy is no Einstein. what this has to do with calling a fellow board member a "goober" is lost on me.

what I meant by saying that I read this a week ago was not so much to suggest that it was old hat, but that I had already looked at the credentials of the 2 "scientists" and find them to be unqualified to make such bold claims about a group of people who are clearly more qualified than them about this contraption that's being made.

you know full well that I was joking about the movie. but have you watched it?? there are actually ARE some crazy parallels between "Event Horizen" and the suggestions that are being made by these 2.

I'm not attempting "character assassination", I'm attempting to make you understand that having an undergrad degree in biology does not really qualify someone, imo, to say that the world is going to come to an end if some highly educated researchers make a very tiny black hole to study it's effects, how it's made, etc. when vaccines for what are now considered to be common illnesses first came about, I'm sure there were self-described scientists that said these vaccines were going to be the end of life as we know it too.

a. i'm glad we're back to a discussion.

b. i REALLY do have to get ready for work.

c. i understand that YOU think it is not possible to be "qualified" with only 3 years of college physics.

d. it sure didn't seem to stop einstein. (okay so the extra year is what helps?)

e. yes, i agree. einstein was "gifted". That is what i was trying to get you to acknowledge. It was not his 4 years in college that made him qualified. It was an exceptional mind.

f. i have no idea what this Wagner guys intellectual capacity is regarding physics. However it stands that he has done something fairly uncommon (discovering a new particle?) and you would rather continue insinuating that he has zero understanding of what he is talking about. I submit that you, like I, have no idea what his intellectual qualification is or is not.

g. i watched event horizon a long time ago (when it came out in the theatres, primarily because Fishbourne was in it) ... i found it not only unecessarily violent, but also lacking in any real substance. I can't honestly remember much of it. Except violence, and a light speed drive that was based on antimatter or something. I guess i see the comparison.

h. I still think its a bit over-critical of you to insinuate the things you are against this man, who is only trying to seek proper environmental assessment of this facility.

HAVE to go!
-dbts-

ps -
i. sorry i called you a "goober"
like i said it was intended in a playful manner (up to that point, the thread had been mostly amicable, then you said i was being foolish, so i responded, IN JEST)
i am SORRY and apologize if you interpret that as the catalyst for the derision and diversion that ensued. i viewed "being foolish" as a personal attack, and i'm still working on "turn the other cheek"
respectfuly not perfect
-dbts-

OlDiamondback

PJ_Saluki wrote:

OK, I don't know if it's possible or impossible but how fucked up would it be if something like that actually created a black hole. Holy crap! In trying to understand the origin of the universe we destroy it. Now that is some cosmic irony, my friends.

Ha, ha. You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. In this case, however, one of the eggs could be our own solar system. Eh, whatchagonnado? But from what I've read, it doesn't look like they'll get this thing up to speed until Fall '08 so at least I'll get to see a couple more PJ shows before being sucked through the portal. See you on the other side.

FOR SCIENCE!