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BBC DOCUMENTARY: Operation Gladio - State Sponsored Terrorism in Europe
DriftingByTheStorm
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For my hommies who just can't fathom the notion that THE STATE could be more evil than a small group of terrorists.
Here is a documentary to shatter that myth:
Operation Gladio - State Sponsored Terrorism in Europe (all 3 epizodes) (BBC Timewatch) (1992).avi
Thats a TORRENT file.
Only one part is available on google video.
I will be taking questions and comments at the end of the film.
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Here is a documentary to shatter that myth:
Operation Gladio - State Sponsored Terrorism in Europe (all 3 epizodes) (BBC Timewatch) (1992).avi
Thats a TORRENT file.
Only one part is available on google video.
Uploaders Comments wrote:This is BBC Timewatch's shocking 3-part documentary Gladio (1992) which reveales the truth about the NATO and CIA sponsored terrorist organisation named Gladios (Italian for Sword). Operation Gladio was a group of stay behind operatives that would infiltrate radical organizations and use them to discredit the socialist movement in Europe after the Second World War.
Operated by the CIA and MI6 through NATO, Gladio was used to kill hundreds of innocent Europeans and attempted to blame the deaths on Baader Meinhof, Red Brigades and other left wing groups. Known as 'stay-behinds' these armies were given access to military equipment which was supposed to be used for sabotage after a Soviet invasion. But this was just a cover, a way to recruit naive members who thought they were fighting the evil communist 5th columns in Europe.
In reality Gladio's massacres across mainland Europe were a part of a CIA's "Strategy of Tension", a clever way to put people into submission of the state without involving the state in the first place. All would be blamed on the "terrorists" while the people thought the state is here to protect them and many continue to think so to this very day. Operation Gladio was a very successful mind control experiment which would entrap not only its members but whole of Europe which thought it was being attacked by the evil communists. The trick played so well that to this day many of its members simply don't want to know otherwise and keep repeating the old lies of them being the heroes against the communist menace.
The documentary features prominent members of governments and Gladio themselves who were used as puppets in this bloody game of submission by terror. The careful watcher will notice that there is a bigger game involved here and that the main objective is to establish such a state of fear in the individual that he would give away all his freedoms and become a puppet of the state which is the one that profits at the end.
3 x 50 min. long.
A must see for everyone.
I will be taking questions and comments at the end of the film.
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If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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This documentary explains the historical precedent of government sponsored secret intelligence units INFILTRATING AND CONTROLLING "legitimate" (or pre-existing) terrorist organizations.
Once you understand that Western governments have a HISTORY of either manipulating terrorist organizations to get them to kill civilians, or sometimes outright FRAMING them, you will understand that 9/11 is not what it seems.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
This is what the doubters think...I'm convinced of it.
Ask central America..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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The proof actualy does suggest that there was government intelligence involvement.
Which is why FBI agents have sued,
why former high level 30 year CIA vets have come out and said just that,
why hundreds of family members have signed petitions, and hundreds of thousands of Americans (if you go by polls, millions upon millions) do not believe the government and are asking for real answers.
Howard Zinn and Ralph Nader, along with Cynthia McKinney, Ray McGovern, Michael Badnarik, and 95 other well known and credentialed individuals all signed the "911 Truth Statement" for just that very reason -- because there are credible reasons for asking important questions!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
important questions yes...
but not claiming an omniscient and omnipotent government puppet master is behind all this...
m
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Actualy, the "911 Truth Statement" which i referenced posed 12 questions.
Here, let me put in bold the ones that are with respect to government involvement:
1. Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?
2. Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?
3. Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?
4. Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed that day?
5. Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains?
6. Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bush-appointed judge?
7. How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?
8. How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent?
9. What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given our government by 14 foreign intelligence agencies or heads of state?
10. Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the ringleader of the hijackers?
11. Why did the 911 Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in addition to almost all of the questions posed here?
12.Why was Philip Zelikow chosen to be the Executive Director of the ostensibly independent 911 Commission although he had co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice?
Yea.
ALL TWELVE QUESTIONS IMPLICATE GOVERNMENT.
go figure.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
What are you telling me, that they don't really do this?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
it's all because of your fellow norwegian who asked if eddie believed in an inside job;)
it's all "you people's" fault!;)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
It's not a conspiracy theory! It's history backed by evidence. It has nothing to do with 9/11!
It was a strategy to prevent a possible invasion by Soviet Russia via the Eastern Bloc and contain the Italian Communist Party that threatened to become the dominant political party in post-war Italy.
Bear in mind, Italy was a fascist dictatorship for 20 years, and the last 2 years of WWII was basically a civil war between fascist and Nazi occupiers on one side and the Resistance, the largest group was the Communist party, but you also had the Christian Democrat, Partito D'Azione, etc.
Also, those were the years when the cold war started and US intervention with the Marshall Plan and fears of Soviet invasion were common (Italy borders with the former Yugoslavia)
So, Gladio was a subversive operation financed by the CIA as well.
However, I am not sure whether this extends to the CIA financing the state terrorism activities that took place especially since the late 60s, which then gave rise - to simplify somewhat - to leftwing terrorism (the Red Brigades were one of the most fearsome terrorist groups of the time. They kidnapped and killed the then Prime Minister after imprisonment of 55 days, if I remember correctly).
I'm sure the deviant sections of the Italian secret service will have informed the CIA prior to those events taking place (I am referring to the right extremist terrorist acts - there have been processes for some of them and guilty verdicts). But whether the CIA paid for Piazza Fontana, the Bologna train station bombing is unlikely - the deviant part of the Italian secret service was enough.
Anyway, there's plenty to have fun with conspiracies in Italy. Real conspiracies, not just theories!
Have you ever heard of P2 or Ustica? a passanger plane shot down, I think, late 80s and the theory - never proven - is that a US plane in a covert operation against Lybia mistakenly shot it down. 82 civilians died and no one still really know why.
EDIT - P.S. I should have clarified that I did not see the BBC documentary you posted. That's just based on the knowledge I have of Gladio, which is quite well known in Italy. Well, among informed people, I should say. The fact that our current Prime Minister used to be a member of the P2 massonic lodge is very aptly forgotten.
That's a real conspiracy!
This stuff is more plausible conspiracy stuff, especially since it has been partly confirmed by various sources. The CIA has a history of intervening in various ways in various countries. Indeed, that is its purpose after all.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
cool
it was conspiracy at the time because only few knew about it (men in cloaks and daggers indeed
If you have questions let me know.
I'll check Italian sources too, and not just go from memory of when I first read about it!
To what extent are activites more or less confirmed? I mean, did they do more than the usual cloak-and-dagger stuff? Are there actions they are widely suspected of in Italy, and what about the rest of Europe?
That enough questions for you?
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Good question.
There have been confirmations about the existence of Gladio from the Italian government and parliamentary commissions. Even the CIA might have confirmed it. It first came out in the early 90s and the operation dates back to the early 50s, I believe. And the revelation came from the government, by the way.
It was basically a... how can I put it, a means to, if necessary, to stop the communist advance by keeping certain army reserves at the ready. It was a plan to stop a possible invasion of communist forces via the North-East of Italy, which borders with the then Yugoslavia, which was part of the Soviet Empire. I guess it could be categorised as standard covert operations?
Not sure about the extension of the Gladio network to other European countries members of NATO, I'm afraid. I will have to research it (although now I'm off to go on holiday, so it will have to be some other time!
As for confirmations of activities carried out under Gladio, well I don't know.
Indeed, the link between Gladio and the terrorist activities by corrupt fringes of the secret services and outside groups has not been proven, as far as I know.
I mean, even for Piazza Fontana, the first major terrorist act, no real culprits have been sentenced. Far-right groups were accused and stood trial they then escaped abroad and finally acquitted, which is not uncommon. [Actually, the anarchist first accused of Piazza Fontana committed suicide (or was helped out of the window, according to whatever side you listen to) and he was the scapegoat to blame the massacre on the left. This was the late 60s and the left was growing in popularity in Italy.]
The sad reality is that Italy would be paradoxically a perfect case for conspiracy theory aficionados... because even the most bizarre hypotheses turn out to be proven. What's worse is that the dismantling of the democratic foundations of the republic are now carried out in plain light, as it were. But that's contemporary politics, and off-topic
A 2000 parliamentary report published by the center-left Olive Tree coalition claimed "that US intelligence agents were informed in advance about several rightwing terrorist bombings, including the December 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing in Milan and the Piazza della Loggia bombing in Brescia five years later, but did nothing to alert the Italian authorities or to prevent the attacks from taking place. It also alleged that Pino Rauti (current leader of the MSI Fiamma-Tricolore party), a journalist and founder of the far-right Ordine Nuovo (new order) subversive organisation, received regular funding from a press officer at the US embassy in Rome. 'So even before the "stabilising" plans that Atlantic circles had prepared for Italy became operational through the bombings, one of the leading members of the subversive right was literally in the pay of the American embassy in Rome,' the report says."[3]
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So while they knew of the rightwing terrorist plots and did nothing about it, it does not mean that the CIA sponsored it.
Also, there is no mention of Gladio, that is, that those activities were linked to the Gladio network.
Hope this answers your questions
EDIT: link for the quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_Fontana_bombing
Hey L,
since you are the resident Italian expert, will you PLEASE go watch that movie?
Actually, skip the first part, go to around the 45 minute mark or what not ... the second "episode" of the show.
I think you'll get more out of it than most here,
1] because the events are familiar to you
2] because it is actually in italian with subtitles
WHAT YOU HAVE STATED IS "TRUE" TO A DEGREE,
but it is a TOTAL WHITE WASH.
This documentary interviews the freaking Commander of Gladio along with DOZENS of other former Gladio operatives.
THERE IS MORE THAN SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT DEEP ELEMENTS WITHIN THE STATE (INTELLIGENCE OPS) WERE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MULTIPLE INCIDENTS OF TERRORISM & MURDER!
The point of all this was (as you hinted at) to repel the INTERNAL threat of communism (fear of a popular communist uprising in the streets) by SCARING THE PEOPLE IN TO RELIANCE ON THE STATE for protection.
Sound familiar to anyone?
Watch the movie!
(better take some uppers first, its kind of slow)
If I opened it now would you not understand?
cool...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Hey Drifting,
Sorry but I cannot get torrent (my expertise doesn't reach that far!
If you could e-mail it somehow, it would be great.
I am actually curious as to what the BBC has to say on this.
Thanks
I will try and watch this.
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