Direct Proof that The History Channel Won't Tell You The Truth:

DriftingByTheStorm

From the Google Video description of
The Men Who Killed Kennedy:

The Men Who Killed Kennedy is a video documentary series by Nigel Turner that originally aired in 1988 in England with two one-hour ... all » segments about the John F. Kennedy assassination. The United States corporation, Arts & Entertainment Company, purchased the rights to the original two segments. Three one-hour segments were added in 1991. A sixth segment was added in 1995. Finally, three additional hourly segments were added by the History Channel in November 2003.

The ninth segment, titled "The Guilty Men", directly implicated Lyndon B. Johnson. Within days, Johnson's widow, Lady Bird Johnson, more of his surviving associates, ex-President Jimmy Carter, and the lone, living Warren Commission commissioner and ex-President Gerald R. Ford immediately complained to the History Channel. They subsequently threatened legal action against Arts & Entertainment Company, owner of the History Channel. "The Guilty Men" segment was completely withdrawn by the History Channel.

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It is pretty much known by all that LBJ was in on the Kennedy murder.
The fact that The History Channel decided to WITHDRAW HISTORY from it's channel on account of political pressure by people related to a criminal is just fucked.

What really gets me is that A&E and The History Channel believed SO MUCH in this "conspiracy theory" that they bought ANOTHER mans work and ADDED THREE and then a FOURTH HOUR of proof and evidence to this theory.

Then they get to the fucking culmination, this NINTH hour of footage ...
the damn center piece of their investigation ...
AND THEY WITHDRAW IT ! !?! !

I don't care what stupid reason you give me,
"yeah, but they were gonna be sued"
blah blah blah.

IT'S THE TRUTH.
WE SHOULD KNOW IT!
:(

DriftingByTheStorm

and here is what i find even more reprehensible ...

My mother started watching that damned 911 Hit Piece on the History Channel about 30 minutes ago.

They have compared it to the JFK assassination 3 times so far.

They then say "Up until 911, the murder of John F. Kennedy was considered the mother of all conspiracy theories ... when the government released its official report on the matter, many were skeptical ... 40 years later and with thousands of pages of research that discount this conspiracy, confirming the official report, people still choose to believe in the conspiracy."

PEOPLE,
i'm here to tell you, THIS IS BULLSHIT.

The government itself went so far as to dismiss the Warren Commission Report when it established The House of Representatives Select Committee On Assassinations in 1979 ...

although, again the government failed to implicate itself, or anyone else, really ... it did offer this:

The HSCA concluded in its 1979 report that (emphasis added):

2. Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations.


YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT ADMITS (albeit, in very small part) IT WAS A CONSPIRACY!

The History Channel BELIEVED IT.
THEY BOUGHT THE GODDAMN SERIES AND ADDED FOUR HOURS OF NEW FOOTAGE.

Now they come out to DENOUNCE it?
And we are supposed to listen to what they say about 911?

COME ON, Puh LEEAZE!

jlew24asu

driftin, do you think the mafia was involved in any of this?

gimmesometruth27

no the mob could not have pulled it off. sure they were angry at kennedy b/c RFK was going after the mob when they had helped get kennedy elected. i would believe that it was anti castro cubans that got screwed over during the bay of pigs debacle before i would suspect the mob.

jlew24asu

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

no the mob could not have pulled it off. sure they were angry at kennedy b/c RFK was going after the mob when they had helped get kennedy elected. i would believe that it was anti castro cubans that got screwed over during the bay of pigs debacle before i would suspect the mob.

I have studied the mob alot. they are some smart tough guys, capable of some amazing things. building vegas from nothing for one. you and I see to disagree alot. ha I respect your opinion though

Bu2

I always took it for a government job, myself.

Rats of Multa

jlew24asu wrote:

driftin, do you think the mafia was involved in any of this?

clearly it was the cigarette smoking man,.. derrr.

Byrnzie

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

no the mob could not have pulled it off. sure they were angry at kennedy b/c RFK was going after the mob when they had helped get kennedy elected. i would believe that it was anti castro cubans that got screwed over during the bay of pigs debacle before i would suspect the mob.

The mob did pull it off. Read 'Ultimate sacrifice' for the definitive answer.

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Sacrifice-Robert-Kennedy-Murder/dp/0786718323/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-8082034-1830326?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189741700&sr=1-1

The reason for a cover-up of the assassination was that the mob would have exposed the Kennedys plans to invade Cuba and this could have triggered a nuclear war with Russia. The mob knew this, so did Bobby Kennedy. This is why everyone had to keep quiet. The mob killed Kennedy knowing that they wouldn't be brought to account for it.

rldriver2

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

It is pretty much known by all that LBJ was in on the Kennedy murder.

mmmm-kay

ledvedderman

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

It is pretty much known by all that LBJ was in on the Kennedy murder.

I'm not saying I disagree with your opinion on this one, but to say that it is "pretty much known by all" is a gross exaggeration.

onelongsong

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

and here is what i find even more reprehensible ...

My mother started watching that damned 911 Hit Piece on the History Channel about 30 minutes ago.

They have compared it to the JFK assassination 3 times so far.

They then say "Up until 911, the murder of John F. Kennedy was considered the mother of all conspiracy theories ... when the government released its official report on the matter, many were skeptical ... 40 years later and with thousands of pages of research that discount this conspiracy, confirming the official report, people still choose to believe in the conspiracy."

PEOPLE,
i'm here to tell you, THIS IS BULLSHIT.

The government itself went so far as to dismiss the Warren Commission Report when it established The House of Representatives Select Committee On Assassinations in 1979 ...

although, again the government failed to implicate itself, or anyone else, really ... it did offer this:

The HSCA concluded in its 1979 report that (emphasis added):

2. Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations.


YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT ADMITS (albeit, in very small part) IT WAS A CONSPIRACY!

The History Channel BELIEVED IT.
THEY BOUGHT THE GODDAMN SERIES AND ADDED FOUR HOURS OF NEW FOOTAGE.

Now they come out to DENOUNCE it?
And we are supposed to listen to what they say about 911?

COME ON, Puh LEEAZE!

i'd like to see some of this evidence. forensics proved that it could only have been done by oswald. even the magic bullet has been reproduced.

onelongsong

ledvedderman wrote:

I'm not saying I disagree with your opinion on this one, but to say that it is "pretty much known by all" is a gross exaggeration.

this is the first i've heard of it and i was around in 1963.

DriftingByTheStorm

onelongsong wrote:

i'd like to see some of this evidence. forensics proved that it could only have been done by oswald. even the magic bullet has been reproduced.

I'd like to see the forensic proof that it was only Oswald.

Eyewitness testimony, including that of a police officer who entered the book depository NINTEY SECONDS after he heard gunshots and saw pigeons fly off the roof saw Oswald on the SECOND FLOOR near the break room where he claims he was buying a soda. Further eyewitness testimony puts him on that floor five minutes BEFORE the shooting.

Did Oswald have some uncanny magic ability to know exactly when the president was coming, run up the stairs, hop in the perch, pull the trigger, and then RUN RUN RUN down 4 flights of stairs back to the 2nd floor break room in time to look calm collected, and completely unaware when the cop showed up to check out the building?

Remember, there are government documents to prove that Oswald was on the FBI payroll up to the day of Kennedy's assassination. They have is payroll number, and he received $200 a month ... conjecture suggests that he was more likely duped in to thinking he was part of a plan to infiltrate the assassination plot, and was then framed for the murder ... in all probability, Oswald was a national hero. :(


Why did Malcolm Wallace have a fingerprint in the snipers nest?
Wallace is connected with LBJ.

Jlew,
yes ... as far as i can surmise from all of this,
there was a looseknit conspiracy between factions of the CIA (those involved in Bay of Pigs), the Maffia (those who wanted gaming rights back in Havannah), foreign hired assassins (through the mob, possibly), a few in the secret service, and LBJ.

What blows my mind is this really was a "huge" conspiracy.
They say it can't be done, but it was.
And the number of people who have mysteriously been killed in connection with this is a good indicator too.

I think i've counted a running total of 5 people throughout these hours of footage who mysteriously died in the 70s either from apparent "suicide" rifle shots through the stomach, or strange car accidents, or planes that dropped from the sky.

As far as the evidence I've seen, including "testimony" from original Kennedy doctors involved in the autopsy, the Single Bullet Theory is flim-flam thin.

I again implore anyone who thinks they have seen "proof" that the SBT is true to please post a link so I can watch this and respond.

jlew24asu

like byzine said, this whole "conspiracy" seems to have happened to avoid nuclear war. end doesnt always justify the means but this is one fucked up time in history.

dont we have secret files that are set for release in the next decade or so??

DriftingByTheStorm

jlew24asu wrote:

like byzine said, this whole "conspiracy" seems to have happened to avoid nuclear war. end doesnt always justify the means but this is one fucked up time in history.

dont we have secret files that are set for release in the next decade or so??

It sounds like you are justifying the offing of the president, and then not, but then yes. :(

I can't find any information on documents set for release, but i do know that when such documents ARE released, they usually further the "debate" over the conspiracy:

Brain of J

CIA documents lend enormous credence to James Files testimony

It is interesting to note that one of the military personell involved in the autopsy (this guy had the privelage of holding JFKs brains in his hand as he supported the body out of the casket and on to the operating table!) now testifies that the day after the autopsy at Bethesda, the personell involved were all called in to their supervisors office and forced to sign statements of non-disclosure. If they talked to anyone about any of the autopsy events, they were subject to general court marshall!

Twenty some years later, the guy talks, and says that the whole damn autopsy was a farce. Says there were so many "civilian personell" in the room who clearly were exerting control over the procedures that they couldn't get anything done ... says they'd start doing something to the body, and one man would come up and look at it, run back to a corner and discuss with a few guys, and then come back and say "uh. don't do that. go on to the other procedure" ...

does that sound like an autopsy or load of crap to you?

Also,
why fingerprint Oswald's dead body? You planning on using those for something?

DriftingByTheStorm

i'm also suprised that noone had any comment on the original subject of this thread.

it derrailed quickly back to discussion of the actual "conspiracy theory" , but no one said "thats really fucked up that they spent money on a JFK conpiracy theory documentary, added 4 hours of footage, pulled the final chapter, and then a decade later denounced the whole thing as phoney" ...

No one finds that a bit ridiculous?

jlew24asu

im not justifying it. but when it comes to nuclear war, all horrible options are on the table. for example, torturing a terrorists who knows where a bomb is. or killing a president... thats not to say I would agree with them.. the nuclear bomb is the worst invention by man period.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

jlew24asu wrote:

the nuclear bomb is the worst invention by man period.

thats just your opinion.....

personally i think we all should own one......

hehehehe................

jlew24asu

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

thats just your opinion.....

personally i think we all should own one......

hehehehe................

have a roman (nuclear) candle fight on the 4th of july??

onelongsong

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I'd like to see the forensic proof that it was only Oswald.

Eyewitness testimony, including that of a police officer who entered the book depository NINTEY SECONDS after he heard gunshots and saw pigeons fly off the roof saw Oswald on the SECOND FLOOR near the break room where he claims he was buying a soda. Further eyewitness testimony puts him on that floor five minutes BEFORE the shooting.

Did Oswald have some uncanny magic ability to know exactly when the president was coming, run up the stairs, hop in the perch, pull the trigger, and then RUN RUN RUN down 4 flights of stairs back to the 2nd floor break room in time to look calm collected, and completely unaware when the cop showed up to check out the building?


Why did Malcolm Wallace have a fingerprint in the snipers nest?
Wallace is connected with LBJ.

Jlew,
yes ... as far as i can surmise from all of this,
there was a looseknit conspiracy between factions of the CIA (those involved in Bay of Pigs), the Maffia (those who wanted gaming rights back in Havannah), foreign hired assassins (through the mob, possibly), a few in the secret service, and LBJ.

What blows my mind is this really was a "huge" conspiracy.
They say it can't be done, but it was.
And the number of people who have mysteriously been killed in connection with this is a good indicator too.

I think i've counted a running total of 5 people throughout these hours of footage who mysteriously died in the 70s either from apparent "suicide" rifle shots through the stomach, or strange car accidents, or planes that dropped from the sky.

As far as the evidence I've seen, including "testimony" from original Kennedy doctors involved in the autopsy, the Single Bullet Theory is flim-flam thin.

I again implore anyone who thinks they have seen "proof" that the SBT is true to please post a link so I can watch this and respond.

the smoking gun in this instance is battle wounds. the bullet used tumbles and it was proven with pig carcasses; lined up according to the seats in the limo. i think the science channel presented a program showing all the testing. you won't believe any links so i won't waste my time looking for any. you seem to seek out only information that agrees with your opinion.
after 44 years; i'd expect witnesses to die. it's also human nature to come up with controversial testimonies because you may get a chance to be on the tele. yes; i'm talking about egos. a lot of people made money writing books and doing talk shows. let's say there was a shooter in the grassy knoll. did his bullet vaporize after hitting kennedy? if not; why wasn't anyone hit with it? the street accross from the grassy knoll was lined with people.
once again we have a problem with evidence. 44 years have passed and no new evidence has been presented. the supposed 4th shot heard on the open mic was proven to be a car back firing. this was done with frequency meters.
you can read what you want into anything. there are people who believe they've seen ghosts and can pass a polygraph because they really believe they saw what they say they saw. i shot and killid a small bird with a handgun from just over a quarter miles away. in front of several witnesses. we all know that's an impossible shot but i did it. the point here is that sometimes things are as they appear. oswald got a lucky shot and the evidence backs it. years of investigations haven't come up with any credible evidence. thousands of pictures and movie footage hasn't provided anything new. all these conspiracy theorists have not been able to duplicate what happened. only the warren report has duplicated exactly what happened.
i know you don't want to believe it and there's nothing anyone can say to change your mind.

onelongsong

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

i'm also suprised that noone had any comment on the original subject of this thread.

it derrailed quickly back to discussion of the actual "conspiracy theory" , but no one said "thats really fucked up that they spent money on a JFK conpiracy theory documentary, added 4 hours of footage, pulled the final chapter, and then a decade later denounced the whole thing as phoney" ...

No one finds that a bit ridiculous?

the world was thought to be flat until evidence proved it round. the new evidence in this case was forensic study and recreation of the crime. the news reports what is believed at the time. when new evidence refutes old ideas; there's no need to rehash what was proven wrong.