Jack Ruby: Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occurred, my motives. The people had , that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world.
Reporter : Are these people in very high positions Jack ??
Jack : Yes.
Jack: "Gentlemen, I want to tell the truth, but I cannot tell it here. If you want a fair shake out of me, you have to take me to Washington"
Jack: "When I mentioned about Adlai Stevenson, if he was vice president there would never have been an assassination of our beloved President Kennedy "
Reporter: [paraphrased] Asked if he would explain it again
Ruby continued:"Well the answer is the man in office now" [that man was Lyndon Johnson]
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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Seems like they'll always be CT with JFK and with 9/II, will the real truth ever come forward?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Too bad people aren't smart enough to recognize the need for filtering out the garbage.
Viva La Editors!!!
hmm
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
He can't...the intellectually blinded can't see past their eyelashes.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I have made it a point in my life in the last year to devote my time where it matters to me. This means i have scaled back "working for the man" ... i work only as much as i have too ... this GIVES ME TIME ...
and, i use that time as i see fit.
This means exercise, time to decompress at the beach, a day or two out on the town as a social break, and LOTS OF TIME spent "studying" or being inquisitive about my world ... i do NOT waste my time in front of the boobtube watching manufactured product for the masses, and i don't waste it playing video games.
excuse me for caring.
excuse me for being inquisitive.
excuse me for not buying in to the bullshit we are fed every day.
excuse me for examining the world i live in through a "different" lens.
Just remember Jlew,
it may not all be proof positive.
when they are talking, maybe they AREN'T talking about what I say they are ... maybe the evidence really doesn't point to what these videos suggest, maybe these people are crazy and the establishment is sane ...
this is not a revelation to the informed.he was there and he was in on it.
the bush family has so much blood on their hands it's crazy these people are not in prison.
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
*Kennedy autopsied BEFORE his body gets to Bethesda on Air Force One - this is stated plainly in the official autopsy report - "appears as if body autopsied prior to this examination" -- bullet hole in front of head CLEARLY visible, and then SUTURED upon arrival at Bethesda ...
*REPEAT: Bullethole in FRONT of head was SUTURED SHUT before his official autopsy! WHY? DUH!
Now I know something was covered up but wouldn't the coroner notice the stitches in his head?
"...believe in lies...to get by...it's divine...whoa...oh, you know what its like..."
Now I know something was covered up but wouldn't the coroner notice the stitches in his head?
The coroner DID notice.
He mentions in the first page of his report that the body appeared to previously have been autopsied.
Even though the body was theoreticaly fresh and just arrived FOR autopsy.
One thing you should know, however, is that that coroner was hand selected by the conspirators because he had never performed a fire arms homicide in his entire career.
That coroner failed to do multiple key proceedures (like investigating the neck wound) that a trained homicide forensic pathologist would routinely do. That coroner also burned his notes
quote: "There is a large wound in the right occipital - parietal region, there is considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebrum and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound."
How does the front of your brain get in to a wound at the side and back of your head?
The front of his brain (cerebellum) was sticking out the back of his skull!
-source page with lots of goodies
Where did the bullet enter his head? White House Press Secretary Seemed To Know Reporter seemed to get it: Entered right temple
Horne then commented upon White House press conference transcript 1327-C, the first press conference of the Johnson White House. This is of Drs. Clark and Perry talking at Parkland immediately after Kilduff spoke. This is the only record of this press conference as all film and audio of it were taken, I believe, by the Secret Service, and all have since disappeared. Three times Dr. Perry describes the throat wound as being one of entry in the anterior neck.
Q: "Where was the entrance wound?"
Dr. Perry: "There was an entrance wound in the neck."
Q: "Which way was the bullet coming on the neck wound, at him?"
Dr. Perry: "It appeared to be coming at him."
Q:"Doctor, describe the entrance wound, do you think from the front, in the throat?"
Dr. Perry: "The wound appeared to be an entrance wound in the throat, yes, that is correct."
Wow! That's pretty compelling stuff. I got chills down my spine just watching that film. None of it surprises me though, the Bush's are as crooked as they come. It shocks me how some people can just brush all this information aside and call it bull shit.
There's lots of truth out there on youtube. Just yesterday I saw undeniable evidence of the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Did it flip you the finger?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Watch above at 7 minutes.
A witness who heard a gunshot behind him on the knoll
Watch at around 12 minutes to about 15
A deaf mute who saw the whole thing.
This is too crazy to make up. Notice he talks about a man in a hard hat.
Now watch at 17 minutes where the old war vet (who you saw at 7 minutes) gets to look at a photograph that was taken by Mary Anne Moromon (watch at 00:03:55) that has now been colorized ... watch him weep as he realizes the significance of this photograph!
THIS IS VISUAL PROOF OF THE MAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLL.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Watch above at 7 minutes.
A witness who heard a gunshot behind him on the knoll
Watch at around 12 minutes to about 15
A deaf mute who saw the whole thing.
This is too crazy to make up. Notice he talks about a man in a hard hat.
Now watch at 17 minutes where the old war vet (who you saw at 7 minutes) gets to look at a photograph that was taken by Mary Anne Moromon (watch at 00:03:55) that has now been colorized ... watch him weep as he realizes the significance of this photograph!
THIS IS VISUAL PROOF OF THE MAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLL.
Oh ffs a deaf mute saw the whole thing?!...of course!
Ahhhhh...that's just funny as hell
sometimes I just shake my head in disbelief at the coincidences.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The Reason JFK Jr
Was Murdered
From John Hankey
9-12-7
I've been engaging in an email correspondence with a health food store owner in Utah named True Ott, regarding John Kennedy Jr.'s final days. Ott says that John Jr. was murdered because he had come into possession, through Ott, of thorough and conclusive proof of George Bush Sr.'s direct involvement in the assassination of JFK. Ott says John was preparing to publish the information. The story Ott tells is incredible, and I certainly did not believe it the first time I heard it. However,...I've investigated and found that Ott is well known and respected nationally in the health food community. Ott is also listed on the Sierra Club and NRDC websites for the activism he claims brought him to the attention of George magazine. He has an important reputation as a respected environmental and health activist that is not helped by spreading ridiculous stories; and he assures me he wouldn't jeopardize his reputation like this if the story weren't true. You be your own judge as you read, below, what he said.
It has occurred to me, since speaking to Ott, that the day John died, he told his staff that "as long as I am alive, this magazine will publish." When I first read this story, this seemed to me an over-the- top statement from someone who had not shown a life-and-death commitment to the magazine up to that point. Ott's stunning story solves this and other important mysteries. I'll finish this letter with the latest part of my correspondence with him.
Best wishes,
John
True writes as follows:
John:
I will never forget the phone call on the 4th of July weekend, 1999 - the phone call from John Jr. thanking me profusely for the information and the file. When he told me that a grand jury was to be convened and Bush was going to be indicted for the murder of his father, I tell you, I had goose bumps. For your review, here is an excerpt of what I wrote 3 years ago in my unpublished manuscript "Free at Last" concerning the event.
John, please understand that I appreciate your efforts - more than words can say. You can only imagine how thrilled I was to see your videos - for you were declaring what I had known as facts for many years - it is difficult to know the truth about national politics and power brokers when the majority of people (and the major media) all are complicit by their ignorance and willingness to accept the status quo. As Edmund Burke said: "The only thing needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing!"
In addition to the murder of John Sr., keep in mind the file also contained evidence concerning CIA orders for contract murders for witnesses of the event. There were over ten "collateral assassinations", one of which was the Dallas PD detective that was the focus of the DVD I sent you (Two Men in Dallas). Did you get that ok?
The cabal in charge of this nation is so massive and so powerful, that none dare attempt to expose it. As my D.C. attorney has counseled me, the best we can hope for is a sort of "detente" - a live and let live attitude. I don't like it, but it is the reality of life at this time. The cabal is composed of powerful Jewish banking families, with Mormon, Jesuit and Freemason allies. My attorney has flat out told me that publicizing "the file" will greatly shift the balance of "detente" - and more innocents will die. In short, the cabal doesn't give a damn if we know, only if we attempt to do something meaningful about it.
In answer to your question - it was about a week after John's plane went down. I had received about 8 calls from major news publications, (U.S. News and World Report, Time, Wall Street Journal, etc.) asking about reports that I had provided a file to John - "Did I, and what did the file contain?". I denied all, and made no comment. It was at this time that George Magazine called me as well - I think it was the editor Richard, though I am not completely certain. He told me the story was "dead" and the magazine was folding. He also told me that all evidence went with John - and that their offices had been burgled. You are right of course, it doesn't make sense that there were not any backup files - apparently they were taken as well. Again, this was a time of EXTREME CONCERN for me and my family - and I don't remember a lot of the specific details clearly. I don't mind telling you that I indeed feared for my life for at least a month. Please understand that I don't believe I am paranoid - but when one verifies that ones phones have indeed been tapped, it makes one a bit concerned.
All my best to you my friend. Keep searching for all truth. (We need a copy of the Inquirer story.)
True Ott
The " Las Vegas " Files are Examined In 1995, I was going through my safe and file cabinets, and came across the sealed, manila envelope that had been placed in my trust by my financial planning client a decade earlier. I had completely forgotten about it. I called his home to see what he wanted me to do with it. His wife informed me that Mr. C. had suffered a stroke a year earlier, and was confined to a nursing home. He was in his 70's now, and was not doing very well.
In short, she didn't know anything about the "file" and suggested that I could just dispose of it.
I tossed it into the trash bin, but then thought that I should at least see what all the fuss was about. In many ways, I wish I had never opened it. It was a true "Pandora's Box", and I was shocked to read its contents. It was "file #5" of a group of 7 files called the "Gemstone" files. I don't know what the other six files contained, but this one was a literal ball-buster. It was the FULL STORY of the CIA-planned and executed contract "hit" of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, president of the United States . It was full of very complete specifics, including such things as photostats of cancelled checks, travel vouchers, orders on CIA letterhead, personnel "lists" of participants, disposition of witnesses and evidence, etc. The problem was, I recognized the names of many of the key men who participated in the assassination, as well as the massive cover-up that followed.
These were not all Jewish organized crime bosses, some were men linked to my LDS church authorities and some were nationally prominent politicians in my beloved Republican Party! The file was extremely damning towards George HW Bush, who in 1963 was the CIA head in Dallas . The obvious involvement of the FBI and Dallas PD, and their subsequent squelching of information as outlined in the file made me physically sick. There was no person in Federal Law Enforcement that I could trust with this information, that is, IF IT WAS INDEED LEGITIMATE! At first, I refused to believe it could be legitimate at all. My paradigm of perception refused to believe it could possibly be factual. However, I could not understand WHY my "client" would have such a file, and WHY would he want it sent to Beverly Hills CA, as well as a notice sent to Hank Greenspan of the Las Vegas Sun newspaper, if my client happened to "die suspiciously?" Like I said, it was a definite "pandora's box", one that I soon realized was too big for me. I kept thinking I ought to shred its contents, but I couldn't bring myself to do so.
The File Goes Home to John John.
During the summer of 1998, I was involved in actively protesting the expansion of Circle 4 Farm's gigantic hog factory farm into Iron County . My grass-roots citizen's organization CRSA (Citizens for Responsible and Sustainable Agriculture) had received a bit of national notoriety, with a number of AP wire stories circulating the nation. One such story caught the eye of a publication called George Magazine. The editor and staff contacted me and scheduled an appointment to meet and review my story.
The editor of George Magazine flew into Cedar City in his private plane to meet me, and shoot a photo spread. We spent the entire day, a Saturday, together. At the end of the day, at a local steak house, we sat down for a concluding meal.
Over salad, I had to confess to the editor that I had never even heard of, much less read a copy of George Magazine until he had called me. He reached into his briefcase and produced a copy. Looking at it, I was surprised to see that it was owned and founded by John Kennedy Jr.
I asked him about "John, and his politics." I was told that John was a real "champion of the under-dog" and that was why they were producing the story on CRSA and me.
I commented: "I believe that my image of John is like most Americans. The enduring image of little `John-John' courageously stepping forward and giving his best salute as the caisson carrying his father's body slowly rolled by. Tell me, does John accept the `official Warren Commission' account of the assassination, or does he think there was more to it? At this late date, does it even matter?"
The editor nodded and said: "Of course he doesn't accept the Warren Commission, but there is not a lot he, or anyone else can do about it! And I guarantee you, it DOES INDEED matter, at least to him. It is one of his major goals in life to find out the Truth!"
I replied: "Has he ever heard of something called the `Gemstone Files'?" With that, the air became electrified. The editor laid down his salad fork and said: "What do YOU know about the `Gemstone'?"
"Oh, it just might be that I have a copy of file # 5. Does that interest you?" I casually volunteered. "You can't be serious! Are you serious? Don't kid about something like that! Where did you get it?" he almost screamed.
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
The dinner was immediately over, even though our steaks were just coming in from the kitchen. We had them placed into containers to take with us. The editor had to SEE the infamous Gemstone immediately. He couldn't wait until the meal was finished.
It was late on a Saturday night in Cedar City, Utah. I handed him the file, and he offered to compensate me for it. I refused. I asked him only one thing in return; if the information proved out to be genuine, that I needed to know. I just wanted justice to be served, and the guilty parties prosecuted.
I was awakened the next morning at 5:00. John's editor explained that he had been up all night reading the file. He had called John directly, and he was told to fly it immediately back to John. John had again offered to compensate me up to $10,000 for the lead. He felt it was that good. I politely refused, and gently reminded him of my earlier request. I just wanted to know if the information was genuine. To me, that would be payment enough.
The rest of 1998 went by quickly. The national political stage was being set. It looked like George W. Bush was seeking to secure the nomination to run against Al Gore.
On the 5th of July, 1999, my home phone rang. Joan answered it and said: "True, it's for you." As I answered it, a very polite masculine voice on the other end said: "Hello, True Ott, do you have a moment to speak? This is John Kennedy calling!"
I immediately asked him to hold while I went to the privacy of my home office to take his call. After a few minutes of small talk, he told me: "Well, I understand that you want to know what I think of your file. I want you to know that I have spent over six figures in private investigators to verify its contents. I can say to you without hesitation that its contents are indeed factual. As a matter of fact, because of this file, a federal grand jury will be convening within the next few weeks. It is my opinion, as well as my attorneys, that this federal grand jury will pass down an indictment against George Herbert Walker Bush for conspiracy to commit murder against my father, and will also indict others as the evidence unfolds. If George W. thinks he can run for dogcatcher after this grand jury convenes and his father indicted, he is sorely mistaken."
I was thrilled, yet deeply saddened by John's disclosures to me. I asked him how he felt about what he was about to do. Did he understand that it would shake American politics, especially the Republican Party to its very foundation?
He replied: "Yes, I do realize the gravity of the story and my accusations, but the guilty must be brought to justice."
I pressed: "But Mr. Kennedy, how do YOU feel?"
The phone went silent for a minute or two. Then John replied: "I feel like a mighty weight has been lifted from my shoulders. For the first time in my life, I feel empowered. I feel my Father's spirit beside me on this, and finally, I can exorcise a few demons from my life." He was definitely emotional, and very close to tears. I knew that I was. I was a part of American history. I had helped a brother's search for truth.
I warned him to be careful, that such actions were potentially very dangerous. He agreed, and said that he was "taking every precaution."
Then, in a quiet voice, he asked me for my banking information. He wished to wire $50K to my account. I told him thanks, but no thanks. "Give it to charity," I said, "I don't think it right to accept money for such terrible information. I am totally satisfied knowing that the file went to the very person that needed it the very most! Above all, John, please BE CAREFUL!"
John Kennedy Jr. thanked me profusely, and said that he wished there were more people in America like True Ott. He said that some day, he would somehow return the favor. I liked that. It was good to have made a friend such as John Kennedy.
A little over two weeks later, on July 16, 1999, John Kennedy Jr., along with his wife and her sister, were killed in a plane crash en route to Hyannisport for a family wedding. My new friend was gone, and the guilty involved in BOTH murders have still not been punished. I know the truth, however. There is no doubt whatsoever, why John was killed. It was NOT an accident!
Original Message
From: John Hankey To: A True Ott PhD Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Dr. Steven Jones
Hey True!
I appreciate your willingness to correspond on this difficult stuff. You raised a couple of issues.
I'm not trying to do better than John. I'm not him. I'm not in the same game or the same league. I am trying to do the best I know how. Which for me at this moment is telling the most important truth the best way I know how. Which, among other things, means telling the story as clearly and as persuasively as I can. I think your part of the story is powerful, important, and fascinating. But my experience in telling it to others is that, without the file, it is not credible.
Another issue, it seems to me, is that if John died for trying to tell that story, to avenge his death I would like to give the fullest meaning to his life. That means presenting that file.
I think my video shows that it is not necessary to have the file to tell the story of the murder of JFK Sr. I think it is necessary to tell the final chapter in the death of JFK Jr., because that chapter is not credible without it.
A separate issue, altogether, is that I had no idea you had spoken to anyone from George after the plane went down. I would very very much like to know all the detail there is about that conversation: Who called who? Why? How long after the plane crash? To say "the file went down with John" seems an obvious euphemism. How could they not have multiple copies? that is, how could several investigators and an entire magazine staff be working on it without each having copies of the materials they were investigating?
I'm surprised and grateful that you contacted me at all. I'm surprised and grateful that you gave me permission to discuss the story with others. You can't be surprised that I would try as hard as I can to get all the information necessary to tell the story well.
thanks sincerely
John
"A. True Ott PhD" wrote:
John:
Yes, the "original" file was/is copies of docs (bank statements, travel vouchers, cancelled checks, letters from Bush on Zapata letterheads, etc.). The mob had targeted Cuba as their gaming "mecca" - following the Bay of Pigs debacle, they moved with plan B - Las Vegas.
It was one of the George office staff who told me the file went down with John - (Don't remember if it was Richard or someone else - only they were da--ed nervous.)
Here's the kicker:
Even with "THE FILE", John Jr. couldn't get it done. What makes you think you or I could do any better??????? All my best,
True
Original Message
From: John Hankey To: A True Ott PhD Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Dr. Steven Jones
Dear True
I'm grateful that you called me at all. But it sounds like I'm better off to shut my mouth about what you've told me, since, like many true stories, it's so incredible and the other evidence is there in plain sight anyway. This new book, "Brothers," further corroborates all the CIA-trained Cubans and mafia material in JFK II. But just looking at the face across from me at the table as I'm telling the story, to finish with "oh yeah, the files not available" just rips the carpet out from under any credibility the story had. Oh well. The story stands on the other evidence.
Since you brought it up, I'm very interested to know, please, who told you the original file went down in the plane. I assumed that the "original" was just photocopies of documents in any case. Were there original documents in the file?
John
"A. True Ott PhD" wrote:
The original file went down with John's plane (at least that is what I was told).
The copied file sent to my D.C. attorney is simply not available - my immediate family is at risk - giving it to others would violate the "detente" agreement - columnist Jack Anderson evidently saw the file 5 or 6 years ago, and even he refused to open pandora's box. Best to let sleeping dogs lie - the truth is that the crime cartel running this country is simply too big and too powerful for the common man to fight.
I reiterate what I told you on the phone
You figured it out
the "Gemstone" file only gives complete confirmation to what you produced.
True
(Perhaps you should look at the Inquirer article, and see if you can track down their "sources" for corroboration.)
Original Message
From: John Hankey To: A True Ott PhD Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Dr. Steven Jones
Of course it's the truth, but the truth is often incredible, important truth almost always so. So, I have to find corroboration to make the story credible. I told my closest friend. He's puzzled and incredulous, like this: if the story's true, where's the file? I didn't have a good answer for that.
John
"A. True Ott PhD" wrote:
John:
Trust me, I have NO REASON to make such a sordid story up. Of course it is the truth.
Jones was a tenured Mormon professor at BYU. When I talked to him two years ago to warn him of the dangers inherent in "speaking out" he assured me he was fine.
Last summer Bush, Cheney, et. al. visited Salt Lake City for the VFW convention.
Bush and Cheney meet privately for over one hour with LDS Church President Hinckley and Counselor Monson as soon as they arrived in
SLC.
The PRESS is told the subject matter of the meeting was completely private (strange they didn't just make some subject up - i.e. P.R. or just polite protocol conversation).
The following week, Jones is fired from BYU and is now personna non grata among faithful Mormons.
Go figure!
As far as sharing my story - there are no limits except the truth.
Just tell it like it is.
True
Original Message
From: John Hankey To: A True Ott PhD Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:03 AM Subject: Re: Dr. Steven Jones
Hey True
You know they've separated him from BYU. The office number gives and error message. The lab phone just rings. I've sent out emails to the 2 addresses.
By the way, I thought I'd share a couple of thoughts that wandered through my mind.
1) There was never another issue of George. This makes no sense from any point of view. When one issue is on the news stands, the next 3 are well in the works. A tribute issue would have sold millions of copies. Yours is the only plausible explanation for this anomaly.
2) Richard Blow says that on the day he died, he told his staff in a meeting, "As long as I'm alive, you have a job at George magazine." That's an extraordinary statement. What could possibly have moved him to make such a commitment? Again, yours is the only plausible explanation. He set the dangers of the task before them and offered to let anyone leave who wanted to. And then was utterly committed to those who stayed.
So, I believe your story. I'd like to share it with other people. I'd like to invite you to tell me what you'd like me to not say.
John
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
Glad I stumbled upon this post...really interesting stuff. I have always found it fascinating the alternative history theories out there...and as a history major, I think logically that many of them have some truth and a few of them have near complete truth.
Presidents live such strange, dualistic lives in that part of them are the most public of any human alive, and other parts are probably the most secret. I'm 28, and everything I know about JFK and his brother have been told to me, just like any other president or figure amidst mystery before my time. It's a trip trying to figure out which things are fact and which things are legend.
Well, you hardliners will be proud.
I just went out tonight and bought Bugliosi's Reclaiming History which purports to be the be all end all in putting the JFK "conspiracy" rumours to rest.
This motherfucking monster is 1300+ pages!
I almost cried when i saw how big it was.
This thing is bigger than my grandmothers copy of the bible from 1890!
I'll let you know at the end of Februrary if it rings true or not.
In the meantime, Tom Hanks is turning the book in to an HBO miniseries which promises to be on TV much sooner than i can finish reading the book.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I may have to look into that book myself. Do you know if it features much about Evelyn Lincoln? I've always figured that she knew more both about JFK's scandal and his death than has ever been brought to light.
That sounds to me like James Ellroy's historical fiction book -- American Tabloid. Really interesting read and it goes well with this conversation, although it uses fictitious characters interspersed with many real ones (such as the Kennedys).
That sounds to me like James Ellroy's historical fiction book -- American Tabloid. Really interesting read and it goes well with this conversation, although it uses fictitious characters interspersed with many real ones (such as the Kennedys).
Actually it was from the non-fiction book "Five Families" by Selwyn Raab which I just finished reading. He brings up a few possible connections for both Ruby and Oswald to organized crime and gives some possible theories, but he doesn't state anything as fact.
I may have to look into that book myself. Do you know if it features much about Evelyn Lincoln? I've always figured that she knew more both about JFK's scandal and his death than has ever been brought to light.
I will index check the name when i return "home".
I'm moving to Georgia from Charleston, but am in charleston.
The book is in Georgia ... it's too damn heavy to move ... it's ridiculous ... i think the index alone is about 25 pages ... i know the introduction is 45!
I do know that i indexed the Secret Service "stand down" (google that, it's in this thread) ... and there is no reference anywhere in the book (as per index "secret service") regarding this anomaly ... hopefuly it explains away everything else, leaving only this one, or i'll be pissed.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
According to the book the bosses of New Orleans and Tampa both had interest in killing Kennedy.A few interesting pieces of information: the Tampa boss was in a hotel a few hours after the assassination, celebrating, Oswald lived with his uncle in New Orleans who was a bookie in the NO organization and Jack Ruby's bar was a hang out for the NO bosses underboss and many of his guys working in Texas. There was even witnesses on record saying that the NO boss was going to have kennedy murdered. Not that this is clear cut evidence, but it is interesting.
Well, you hardliners will be proud.
I just went out tonight and bought Bugliosi's Reclaiming History which purports to be the be all end all in putting the JFK "conspiracy" rumours to rest.
This motherfucking monster is 1300+ pages!
I almost cried when i saw how big it was.
This thing is bigger than my grandmothers copy of the bible from 1890!
I'll let you know at the end of Februrary if it rings true or not.
In the meantime, Tom Hanks is turning the book in to an HBO miniseries which promises to be on TV much sooner than i can finish reading the book.
Thanks for making this fun! I also liked your opening 5 lines of the thread. Imagine if we couldn't laugh at this stuff!! :(
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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Wake Up You Boobs. It is a conpsiracy by men in "very high positions"
Jack Ruby: Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occurred, my motives. The people had , that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world.
Reporter : Are these people in very high positions Jack ??
Jack : Yes.
Jack: "Gentlemen, I want to tell the truth, but I cannot tell it here. If you want a fair shake out of me, you have to take me to Washington"
Jack: "When I mentioned about Adlai Stevenson, if he was vice president there would never have been an assassination of our beloved President Kennedy "
Reporter: [paraphrased] Asked if he would explain it again
Ruby continued:"Well the answer is the man in office now" [that man was Lyndon Johnson]
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Seems like they'll always be CT with JFK and with 9/II, will the real truth ever come forward?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
hmm
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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He can't...the intellectually blinded can't see past their eyelashes.
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anyone?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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good stuff, keep digging for the truth!
the bush family has so much blood on their hands it's crazy these people are not in prison.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
Now I know something was covered up but wouldn't the coroner notice the stitches in his head?
The coroner DID notice.
He mentions in the first page of his report that the body appeared to previously have been autopsied.
Even though the body was theoreticaly fresh and just arrived FOR autopsy.
One thing you should know, however, is that that coroner was hand selected by the conspirators because he had never performed a fire arms homicide in his entire career.
That coroner failed to do multiple key proceedures (like investigating the neck wound) that a trained homicide forensic pathologist would routinely do.
That coroner also burned his notes
WARNING: Extremely Graphic! [Sorry Guys. It looks like evidence to me] BE WARNED
bullet hole in head, at dallas morgue before autopsy in bethesda
Head with suture wound after alleged flight autopsy and before bethesda
These Doctors Sure Seem To Flip Flop on Their Memories: Wounds from front to back with brain in the front missing. Oh wait. Did i say that? Wait, there weren't any wounds up front, and I Never Saw The Back Of The Head!
quote:
"There is a large wound in the right occipital - parietal region, there is considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebrum and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound."
How does the front of your brain get in to a wound at the side and back of your head?
The front of his brain (cerebellum) was sticking out the back of his skull!
-source page with lots of goodies
Where did the bullet enter his head?
White House Press Secretary Seemed To Know
Reporter seemed to get it: Entered right temple
Horne then commented upon White House press conference transcript 1327-C, the first press conference of the Johnson White House. This is of Drs. Clark and Perry talking at Parkland immediately after Kilduff spoke. This is the only record of this press conference as all film and audio of it were taken, I believe, by the Secret Service, and all have since disappeared. Three times Dr. Perry describes the throat wound as being one of entry in the anterior neck.
Q: "Where was the entrance wound?"
Dr. Perry: "There was an entrance wound in the neck."
Q: "Which way was the bullet coming on the neck wound, at him?"
Dr. Perry: "It appeared to be coming at him."
Q:"Doctor, describe the entrance wound, do you think from the front, in the throat?"
Dr. Perry: "The wound appeared to be an entrance wound in the throat, yes, that is correct."
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
There's lots of truth out there on youtube. Just yesterday I saw undeniable evidence of the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Did it flip you the finger?
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Watch above at 7 minutes.
A witness who heard a gunshot behind him on the knoll
Watch at around 12 minutes to about 15
A deaf mute who saw the whole thing.
This is too crazy to make up. Notice he talks about a man in a hard hat.
Now watch at 17 minutes where the old war vet (who you saw at 7 minutes) gets to look at a photograph that was taken by Mary Anne Moromon (watch at 00:03:55) that has now been colorized ... watch him weep as he realizes the significance of this photograph!
THIS IS VISUAL PROOF OF THE MAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLL.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Oh ffs a deaf mute saw the whole thing?!...of course!
Ahhhhh...that's just funny as hell
sometimes I just shake my head in disbelief at the coincidences.
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The Reason JFK Jr
Was Murdered
From John Hankey
9-12-7
I've been engaging in an email correspondence with a health food store owner in Utah named True Ott, regarding John Kennedy Jr.'s final days. Ott says that John Jr. was murdered because he had come into possession, through Ott, of thorough and conclusive proof of George Bush Sr.'s direct involvement in the assassination of JFK. Ott says John was preparing to publish the information. The story Ott tells is incredible, and I certainly did not believe it the first time I heard it. However,...I've investigated and found that Ott is well known and respected nationally in the health food community. Ott is also listed on the Sierra Club and NRDC websites for the activism he claims brought him to the attention of George magazine. He has an important reputation as a respected environmental and health activist that is not helped by spreading ridiculous stories; and he assures me he wouldn't jeopardize his reputation like this if the story weren't true. You be your own judge as you read, below, what he said.
It has occurred to me, since speaking to Ott, that the day John died, he told his staff that "as long as I am alive, this magazine will publish." When I first read this story, this seemed to me an over-the- top statement from someone who had not shown a life-and-death commitment to the magazine up to that point. Ott's stunning story solves this and other important mysteries. I'll finish this letter with the latest part of my correspondence with him.
Best wishes,
John
True writes as follows:
John:
I will never forget the phone call on the 4th of July weekend, 1999 - the phone call from John Jr. thanking me profusely for the information and the file. When he told me that a grand jury was to be convened and Bush was going to be indicted for the murder of his father, I tell you, I had goose bumps. For your review, here is an excerpt of what I wrote 3 years ago in my unpublished manuscript "Free at Last" concerning the event.
John, please understand that I appreciate your efforts - more than words can say. You can only imagine how thrilled I was to see your videos - for you were declaring what I had known as facts for many years - it is difficult to know the truth about national politics and power brokers when the majority of people (and the major media) all are complicit by their ignorance and willingness to accept the status quo. As Edmund Burke said: "The only thing needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing!"
In addition to the murder of John Sr., keep in mind the file also contained evidence concerning CIA orders for contract murders for witnesses of the event. There were over ten "collateral assassinations", one of which was the Dallas PD detective that was the focus of the DVD I sent you (Two Men in Dallas). Did you get that ok?
The cabal in charge of this nation is so massive and so powerful, that none dare attempt to expose it. As my D.C. attorney has counseled me, the best we can hope for is a sort of "detente" - a live and let live attitude. I don't like it, but it is the reality of life at this time. The cabal is composed of powerful Jewish banking families, with Mormon, Jesuit and Freemason allies. My attorney has flat out told me that publicizing "the file" will greatly shift the balance of "detente" - and more innocents will die. In short, the cabal doesn't give a damn if we know, only if we attempt to do something meaningful about it.
In answer to your question - it was about a week after John's plane went down. I had received about 8 calls from major news publications, (U.S. News and World Report, Time, Wall Street Journal, etc.) asking about reports that I had provided a file to John - "Did I, and what did the file contain?". I denied all, and made no comment. It was at this time that George Magazine called me as well - I think it was the editor Richard, though I am not completely certain. He told me the story was "dead" and the magazine was folding. He also told me that all evidence went with John - and that their offices had been burgled. You are right of course, it doesn't make sense that there were not any backup files - apparently they were taken as well. Again, this was a time of EXTREME CONCERN for me and my family - and I don't remember a lot of the specific details clearly. I don't mind telling you that I indeed feared for my life for at least a month. Please understand that I don't believe I am paranoid - but when one verifies that ones phones have indeed been tapped, it makes one a bit concerned.
All my best to you my friend. Keep searching for all truth. (We need a copy of the Inquirer story.)
True Ott
The " Las Vegas " Files are Examined In 1995, I was going through my safe and file cabinets, and came across the sealed, manila envelope that had been placed in my trust by my financial planning client a decade earlier. I had completely forgotten about it. I called his home to see what he wanted me to do with it. His wife informed me that Mr. C. had suffered a stroke a year earlier, and was confined to a nursing home. He was in his 70's now, and was not doing very well.
In short, she didn't know anything about the "file" and suggested that I could just dispose of it.
I tossed it into the trash bin, but then thought that I should at least see what all the fuss was about. In many ways, I wish I had never opened it. It was a true "Pandora's Box", and I was shocked to read its contents. It was "file #5" of a group of 7 files called the "Gemstone" files. I don't know what the other six files contained, but this one was a literal ball-buster. It was the FULL STORY of the CIA-planned and executed contract "hit" of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, president of the United States . It was full of very complete specifics, including such things as photostats of cancelled checks, travel vouchers, orders on CIA letterhead, personnel "lists" of participants, disposition of witnesses and evidence, etc. The problem was, I recognized the names of many of the key men who participated in the assassination, as well as the massive cover-up that followed.
These were not all Jewish organized crime bosses, some were men linked to my LDS church authorities and some were nationally prominent politicians in my beloved Republican Party! The file was extremely damning towards George HW Bush, who in 1963 was the CIA head in Dallas . The obvious involvement of the FBI and Dallas PD, and their subsequent squelching of information as outlined in the file made me physically sick. There was no person in Federal Law Enforcement that I could trust with this information, that is, IF IT WAS INDEED LEGITIMATE! At first, I refused to believe it could be legitimate at all. My paradigm of perception refused to believe it could possibly be factual. However, I could not understand WHY my "client" would have such a file, and WHY would he want it sent to Beverly Hills CA, as well as a notice sent to Hank Greenspan of the Las Vegas Sun newspaper, if my client happened to "die suspiciously?" Like I said, it was a definite "pandora's box", one that I soon realized was too big for me. I kept thinking I ought to shred its contents, but I couldn't bring myself to do so.
The File Goes Home to John John.
During the summer of 1998, I was involved in actively protesting the expansion of Circle 4 Farm's gigantic hog factory farm into Iron County . My grass-roots citizen's organization CRSA (Citizens for Responsible and Sustainable Agriculture) had received a bit of national notoriety, with a number of AP wire stories circulating the nation. One such story caught the eye of a publication called George Magazine. The editor and staff contacted me and scheduled an appointment to meet and review my story.
The editor of George Magazine flew into Cedar City in his private plane to meet me, and shoot a photo spread. We spent the entire day, a Saturday, together. At the end of the day, at a local steak house, we sat down for a concluding meal.
Over salad, I had to confess to the editor that I had never even heard of, much less read a copy of George Magazine until he had called me. He reached into his briefcase and produced a copy. Looking at it, I was surprised to see that it was owned and founded by John Kennedy Jr.
I asked him about "John, and his politics." I was told that John was a real "champion of the under-dog" and that was why they were producing the story on CRSA and me.
I commented: "I believe that my image of John is like most Americans. The enduring image of little `John-John' courageously stepping forward and giving his best salute as the caisson carrying his father's body slowly rolled by. Tell me, does John accept the `official Warren Commission' account of the assassination, or does he think there was more to it? At this late date, does it even matter?"
The editor nodded and said: "Of course he doesn't accept the Warren Commission, but there is not a lot he, or anyone else can do about it! And I guarantee you, it DOES INDEED matter, at least to him. It is one of his major goals in life to find out the Truth!"
I replied: "Has he ever heard of something called the `Gemstone Files'?" With that, the air became electrified. The editor laid down his salad fork and said: "What do YOU know about the `Gemstone'?"
"Oh, it just might be that I have a copy of file # 5. Does that interest you?" I casually volunteered. "You can't be serious! Are you serious? Don't kid about something like that! Where did you get it?" he almost screamed.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
The dinner was immediately over, even though our steaks were just coming in from the kitchen. We had them placed into containers to take with us. The editor had to SEE the infamous Gemstone immediately. He couldn't wait until the meal was finished.
It was late on a Saturday night in Cedar City, Utah. I handed him the file, and he offered to compensate me for it. I refused. I asked him only one thing in return; if the information proved out to be genuine, that I needed to know. I just wanted justice to be served, and the guilty parties prosecuted.
I was awakened the next morning at 5:00. John's editor explained that he had been up all night reading the file. He had called John directly, and he was told to fly it immediately back to John. John had again offered to compensate me up to $10,000 for the lead. He felt it was that good. I politely refused, and gently reminded him of my earlier request. I just wanted to know if the information was genuine. To me, that would be payment enough.
The rest of 1998 went by quickly. The national political stage was being set. It looked like George W. Bush was seeking to secure the nomination to run against Al Gore.
On the 5th of July, 1999, my home phone rang. Joan answered it and said: "True, it's for you." As I answered it, a very polite masculine voice on the other end said: "Hello, True Ott, do you have a moment to speak? This is John Kennedy calling!"
I immediately asked him to hold while I went to the privacy of my home office to take his call. After a few minutes of small talk, he told me: "Well, I understand that you want to know what I think of your file. I want you to know that I have spent over six figures in private investigators to verify its contents. I can say to you without hesitation that its contents are indeed factual. As a matter of fact, because of this file, a federal grand jury will be convening within the next few weeks. It is my opinion, as well as my attorneys, that this federal grand jury will pass down an indictment against George Herbert Walker Bush for conspiracy to commit murder against my father, and will also indict others as the evidence unfolds. If George W. thinks he can run for dogcatcher after this grand jury convenes and his father indicted, he is sorely mistaken."
I was thrilled, yet deeply saddened by John's disclosures to me. I asked him how he felt about what he was about to do. Did he understand that it would shake American politics, especially the Republican Party to its very foundation?
He replied: "Yes, I do realize the gravity of the story and my accusations, but the guilty must be brought to justice."
I pressed: "But Mr. Kennedy, how do YOU feel?"
The phone went silent for a minute or two. Then John replied: "I feel like a mighty weight has been lifted from my shoulders. For the first time in my life, I feel empowered. I feel my Father's spirit beside me on this, and finally, I can exorcise a few demons from my life." He was definitely emotional, and very close to tears. I knew that I was. I was a part of American history. I had helped a brother's search for truth.
I warned him to be careful, that such actions were potentially very dangerous. He agreed, and said that he was "taking every precaution."
Then, in a quiet voice, he asked me for my banking information. He wished to wire $50K to my account. I told him thanks, but no thanks. "Give it to charity," I said, "I don't think it right to accept money for such terrible information. I am totally satisfied knowing that the file went to the very person that needed it the very most! Above all, John, please BE CAREFUL!"
John Kennedy Jr. thanked me profusely, and said that he wished there were more people in America like True Ott. He said that some day, he would somehow return the favor. I liked that. It was good to have made a friend such as John Kennedy.
A little over two weeks later, on July 16, 1999, John Kennedy Jr., along with his wife and her sister, were killed in a plane crash en route to Hyannisport for a family wedding. My new friend was gone, and the guilty involved in BOTH murders have still not been punished. I know the truth, however. There is no doubt whatsoever, why John was killed. It was NOT an accident!
Original Message
From: John Hankey To: A True Ott PhD Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Dr. Steven Jones
Hey True!
I appreciate your willingness to correspond on this difficult stuff. You raised a couple of issues.
I'm not trying to do better than John. I'm not him. I'm not in the same game or the same league. I am trying to do the best I know how. Which for me at this moment is telling the most important truth the best way I know how. Which, among other things, means telling the story as clearly and as persuasively as I can. I think your part of the story is powerful, important, and fascinating. But my experience in telling it to others is that, without the file, it is not credible.
Another issue, it seems to me, is that if John died for trying to tell that story, to avenge his death I would like to give the fullest meaning to his life. That means presenting that file.
I think my video shows that it is not necessary to have the file to tell the story of the murder of JFK Sr. I think it is necessary to tell the final chapter in the death of JFK Jr., because that chapter is not credible without it.
A separate issue, altogether, is that I had no idea you had spoken to anyone from George after the plane went down. I would very very much like to know all the detail there is about that conversation: Who called who? Why? How long after the plane crash? To say "the file went down with John" seems an obvious euphemism. How could they not have multiple copies? that is, how could several investigators and an entire magazine staff be working on it without each having copies of the materials they were investigating?
I'm surprised and grateful that you contacted me at all. I'm surprised and grateful that you gave me permission to discuss the story with others. You can't be surprised that I would try as hard as I can to get all the information necessary to tell the story well.
thanks sincerely
John
"A. True Ott PhD" wrote:
John:
Yes, the "original" file was/is copies of docs (bank statements, travel vouchers, cancelled checks, letters from Bush on Zapata letterheads, etc.). The mob had targeted Cuba as their gaming "mecca" - following the Bay of Pigs debacle, they moved with plan B - Las Vegas.
It was one of the George office staff who told me the file went down with John - (Don't remember if it was Richard or someone else - only they were da--ed nervous.)
Here's the kicker:
Even with "THE FILE", John Jr. couldn't get it done. What makes you think you or I could do any better??????? All my best,
True
Original Message
From: John Hankey To: A True Ott PhD Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Dr. Steven Jones
Dear True
I'm grateful that you called me at all. But it sounds like I'm better off to shut my mouth about what you've told me, since, like many true stories, it's so incredible and the other evidence is there in plain sight anyway. This new book, "Brothers," further corroborates all the CIA-trained Cubans and mafia material in JFK II. But just looking at the face across from me at the table as I'm telling the story, to finish with "oh yeah, the files not available" just rips the carpet out from under any credibility the story had. Oh well. The story stands on the other evidence.
Since you brought it up, I'm very interested to know, please, who told you the original file went down in the plane. I assumed that the "original" was just photocopies of documents in any case. Were there original documents in the file?
John
"A. True Ott PhD" wrote:
The original file went down with John's plane (at least that is what I was told).
The copied file sent to my D.C. attorney is simply not available - my immediate family is at risk - giving it to others would violate the "detente" agreement - columnist Jack Anderson evidently saw the file 5 or 6 years ago, and even he refused to open pandora's box. Best to let sleeping dogs lie - the truth is that the crime cartel running this country is simply too big and too powerful for the common man to fight.
I reiterate what I told you on the phone
You figured it out
the "Gemstone" file only gives complete confirmation to what you produced.
True
(Perhaps you should look at the Inquirer article, and see if you can track down their "sources" for corroboration.)
Original Message
From: John Hankey To: A True Ott PhD Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Dr. Steven Jones
Of course it's the truth, but the truth is often incredible, important truth almost always so. So, I have to find corroboration to make the story credible. I told my closest friend. He's puzzled and incredulous, like this: if the story's true, where's the file? I didn't have a good answer for that.
John
"A. True Ott PhD" wrote:
John:
Trust me, I have NO REASON to make such a sordid story up. Of course it is the truth.
Jones was a tenured Mormon professor at BYU. When I talked to him two years ago to warn him of the dangers inherent in "speaking out" he assured me he was fine.
Last summer Bush, Cheney, et. al. visited Salt Lake City for the VFW convention.
Bush and Cheney meet privately for over one hour with LDS Church President Hinckley and Counselor Monson as soon as they arrived in
SLC.
The PRESS is told the subject matter of the meeting was completely private (strange they didn't just make some subject up - i.e. P.R. or just polite protocol conversation).
The following week, Jones is fired from BYU and is now personna non grata among faithful Mormons.
Go figure!
As far as sharing my story - there are no limits except the truth.
Just tell it like it is.
True
Original Message
From: John Hankey To: A True Ott PhD Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:03 AM Subject: Re: Dr. Steven Jones
Hey True
You know they've separated him from BYU. The office number gives and error message. The lab phone just rings. I've sent out emails to the 2 addresses.
By the way, I thought I'd share a couple of thoughts that wandered through my mind.
1) There was never another issue of George. This makes no sense from any point of view. When one issue is on the news stands, the next 3 are well in the works. A tribute issue would have sold millions of copies. Yours is the only plausible explanation for this anomaly.
2) Richard Blow says that on the day he died, he told his staff in a meeting, "As long as I'm alive, you have a job at George magazine." That's an extraordinary statement. What could possibly have moved him to make such a commitment? Again, yours is the only plausible explanation. He set the dangers of the task before them and offered to let anyone leave who wanted to. And then was utterly committed to those who stayed.
So, I believe your story. I'd like to share it with other people. I'd like to invite you to tell me what you'd like me to not say.
John
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
Presidents live such strange, dualistic lives in that part of them are the most public of any human alive, and other parts are probably the most secret. I'm 28, and everything I know about JFK and his brother have been told to me, just like any other president or figure amidst mystery before my time. It's a trip trying to figure out which things are fact and which things are legend.
You guys/gals are fucking awesome.
The truth is always there, waiting to be found.
Well, you hardliners will be proud.
I just went out tonight and bought Bugliosi's Reclaiming History which purports to be the be all end all in putting the JFK "conspiracy" rumours to rest.
This motherfucking monster is 1300+ pages!
I almost cried when i saw how big it was.
This thing is bigger than my grandmothers copy of the bible from 1890!
I'll let you know at the end of Februrary if it rings true or not.
In the meantime, Tom Hanks is turning the book in to an HBO miniseries which promises to be on TV much sooner than i can finish reading the book.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
That sounds to me like James Ellroy's historical fiction book -- American Tabloid. Really interesting read and it goes well with this conversation, although it uses fictitious characters interspersed with many real ones (such as the Kennedys).
Actually it was from the non-fiction book "Five Families" by Selwyn Raab which I just finished reading. He brings up a few possible connections for both Ruby and Oswald to organized crime and gives some possible theories, but he doesn't state anything as fact.
I was messing around with searching for stuff about Evelyn Lincoln and I found an interesting blog about various president conspiracies.
http://www.thepresidentsbook.com/
I will index check the name when i return "home".
I'm moving to Georgia from Charleston, but am in charleston.
The book is in Georgia ... it's too damn heavy to move ... it's ridiculous ... i think the index alone is about 25 pages ... i know the introduction is 45!
I do know that i indexed the Secret Service "stand down" (google that, it's in this thread) ... and there is no reference anywhere in the book (as per index "secret service") regarding this anomaly ... hopefuly it explains away everything else, leaving only this one, or i'll be pissed.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
According to the book the bosses of New Orleans and Tampa both had interest in killing Kennedy.A few interesting pieces of information: the Tampa boss was in a hotel a few hours after the assassination, celebrating, Oswald lived with his uncle in New Orleans who was a bookie in the NO organization and Jack Ruby's bar was a hang out for the NO bosses underboss and many of his guys working in Texas. There was even witnesses on record saying that the NO boss was going to have kennedy murdered. Not that this is clear cut evidence, but it is interesting.
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