If The Economy Crashes: The President Owns EVERYTHING. *EVERYTHING*
DriftingByTheStorm
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People need to think about this stuff.
Powers Assigned To The President & National Security Council.
"Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry."
EO 10990: "allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports." [9]
EO 10995: Federal seizure of all communications media in the US.
EO 10997: Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private.
EO 10998: Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment.
EO 10999: Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports and water ways.
EO 11000: Federal seizure of American people for work forces under federal supervision, including the splitting up of families if the government so desires.
EO 11001: Federal seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, both public and private.
EO 11002: Empowers the Postmaster General to register every single person in the US.
EO 11003: Federal seizure of all airports and aircraft.
EO 11004: Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as 'unsafe,' establish new locations for populations, relocate communities, build new housing with public funds.
EO 11005: Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, both public and private.
EO 11051: Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis (FEMA will be in control incase of 'National Emergency').
EO 12919 "Apparently Allows Cabinet Heads to Make Direct Loans to Government Contractors." [10]
Are you cool with all that?
I don't know how JFK had it set up, but I assume it was decided through some sort of "democratic" committee involving form legislative staff. Bush took ALL of it and reassigned it to the EXECUTIVE in SOLE.
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Powers Assigned To The President & National Security Council.
"Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry."
EO 10990: "allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports." [9]
EO 10995: Federal seizure of all communications media in the US.
EO 10997: Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private.
EO 10998: Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment.
EO 10999: Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports and water ways.
EO 11000: Federal seizure of American people for work forces under federal supervision, including the splitting up of families if the government so desires.
EO 11001: Federal seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, both public and private.
EO 11002: Empowers the Postmaster General to register every single person in the US.
EO 11003: Federal seizure of all airports and aircraft.
EO 11004: Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as 'unsafe,' establish new locations for populations, relocate communities, build new housing with public funds.
EO 11005: Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, both public and private.
EO 11051: Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis (FEMA will be in control incase of 'National Emergency').
EO 12919 "Apparently Allows Cabinet Heads to Make Direct Loans to Government Contractors." [10]
Are you cool with all that?
I don't know how JFK had it set up, but I assume it was decided through some sort of "democratic" committee involving form legislative staff. Bush took ALL of it and reassigned it to the EXECUTIVE in SOLE.
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If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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furthermore, the president doesn't own everything. FEMA does. and FEMA doesn't even own everything, you vastly misstake the protocol, which simply ALLOWS FEMA to seize properties. granted, not a comforting thought, but limited nonetheless. even so, it would not be the president wielding that power solo and if it was abused then congress and/or the voters could check it.
even furthermore, it would never survive the first lawsuit filed as the constitution prohibits deprivation of property without due process. the order would be struck down.
even further furthermore, worst case scenario is we've got that second amendment thing and they can take your property from your cold dead hands.
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I'm sorry, i think you are placing the wrong emphasis on the bolded phrases.
The "FEMA" reference in bold is ONE executive order (11051), written by (in the name of) JFK in 1962. ALL of those EOs listed are from JFK in 1962.
What bush did in 2004 was "REASSIGN" those EOs SOLEY TO THE "NATIONAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION" which is in direct chain of command to the PRESIDENT himself.
It is an EXECUTIVE department.
Now, if you want to argue that the NSA is 100% bening, go ahead. But you won't convince me. Hell, FEMA ain't bening. Fuck, FEMA doesn't "exist" anymore anyway, it itself was "reassigned" to the Department of Homeland Security ... it is a subsidy of DHS now.
So ... the question remains, do you want the president having the authority to seperate you from your family, empty your bank account, take your home and car, stop you from traveling, redistribute the entire country in to "suitable" "zones" and RESTRICT ALL MEDIA?
Hmm.
Sounds pretty fucked up to me.
And what constitutes a "financial crisis"?
You'll find out in the next year.
We are in for the PERFECT STORM.
You're talking 1.5-2.5 TRILLION dollars in losses on the horizons.
If you don't understand the implications of that, it necessitates a global collapse of the financial markets.
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Oh.
I will add one final notion,
I've come to the conclusion that the REAL "CFR" function of Obama may be as fall guy.
What better way (and better plan to shift blame) than to get a black man to (or near) the presidency and then all of a sudden some "racist" group (probably the same people that sent money to Ron Paul, haha) pops the man, and race riots errupt all over America.
This triggers an IMMEDIATE military response, including ALL of the above, and also provides a very convenient cover for Wall St. to panic and dump stocks. That would then provide the cover needed for an all out collapse. The banks would be able to stop "proping up the market" with all of these "Term Auction Facility" (literaly dollar auctions) funds they are receiving monthly or more. Oh, it also makes perfect timing for all the banks to step up and one by one announce the TRUE dolar value of all their losses.
Maybe it won't happen.
(i mean the OBAMA part)
But it sure would make a great cover,
AND it is immenently more "saleable" than WAR WITH IRAN. Cause face it, the people aint gonna fall for that again (at least, i hope). But they sure as hell would believe that some racist shithead fired a hunting rifle with "copkillers", right?
Anyway.
Yeah i know.
I'm nuts.
What you people don't want to understand though is that even CNBC is throwing around this "1.5 to 2.5 trillion" crap, and they explain it as "massive blood in the streets".
What does that sound like to you?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Does an "economic crisis" really give the president the right to censor ALL media (the internet?!?) and to deprive you literaly of life, liberty, and limb?
They can "redeploy" you, take ALL your possesions (the ENTIRE country's resource base, ALL of it, ALL infrastructer, EVERYTHING) and they can send you to a fucking concentration camp if they so feel.
So.
Its not a conspiracy.
ITS WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
Is it OKAY?
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
Only if we get to put Obama's face on the money;
Get to look at more propaganda that looks like this
http://www.expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/71959#
And walk around thinking about hope all day...
wow. are you sure you're not watching old macguyver episodes instead of financial markets? first it was united 93, now obama is the piece in the world domination plot! next week's episode... the bird flu is let loose on metropolis by lex luthor!
couldn't have said it better myself.
what you just posted answers none of my points.
1. FEMA and the NSA are both executive agencies. it doesn't change the fact that it is somewhat independent. you can't blame agency action for killing the president then say all agencies are directly subject to presidential control. the relationships are complex and still subject to checks and balances.
2. they are still subject to congressional approval and control, judicial review, and the electoral process. undoubtedly, they are capable of shady things. but if the abuse reaches sufficient levels, it will be checked.
3. you got a timeframe for your economic collapse? cos you've been screaming about it for months now. what happened to your gold nonsense? you switched yet? if the market is doomed, why are you still playing it? why not bail out and get what you can in gold before it's gone? my guess... you are all talk and you figure it will rebound eventually and you'll make money. becos that is what is probably going to happen once we ride out the hard times.
becos the president does not have as broad power as you think. there ARE checks and balances which i have now posted twice and which you continue to ignore becos you probly didnt know they existed becos you have no fucking clue how administrative law actually works. now i don't have time to school you in the many constitutional, congressional, judicial, executive, and electoral checks on the power of agencies like the NSA to do what they please. if you want to argue that the checks won't work, that is another story. but what was happening last week? bush was begging congress to renew FISA. why? becos he knows the NSA cannot act without congressional approval. and even if congress approved it, the court has the power to enjoin agency action that violates the constitution.
Admin
Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
not sure if im saying the same thing, but it has certainly convinced me that a few poorly understood facts can be hazardous to one's mental health.
Yeah, Mike you say that directed at me, but the strange thing is the guy whose side you are (by default) backing is the fellow who some how thinks the NSA is an appropriate agency to put 100% unadulterated control in to the hands of in the event of a crisis.
That begs the question if HE even understands what the fuck the NSA is.
Let me spell it out. For all intents and purposes, NSA is a SPY organization. "Intelligence" if you will. But highly classified.
Why should THEY be in control of the power to take ALL MONEY, ALL RESOURCES, and BREAK UP YOUR FAMILY.
Why the fuck is that even acceptable PERIOD?
Much less under the administration of the same fuckholes (the EXACT same fuckholes) that bring us the total catalogue of ALL phone calls and internet sites visited EVER. The NSA is Mr. Wiretap.
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They've already proven disrespect for constitutional rights.
Why would you want to entrust them with ALL of them in an emergency?
Sweet jesus.
And besides flaming me, NO ONE has bothered to answer wether these are even APPROPRIATE responsibilities to be delegated to the government in full, even in a time of crisis.
Should they just get to take EVERYTHING?
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As for my personal finances,
yes, i pulled most of my money out.
Its sitting in nice piles of silver in my room.
The rest is in a trading account, because i will continue to trade until i see real signs that the bottom is falling out.
Right now they are propping it up (but failing to even do that well) ... Daniel Estulin says his Bliderberg inside sources tell him they want to build the market back up to 98/99 levels one more time and then let the bottom fall out.
We'll see.
That would make sense given what i'm seeing,
thats all i'm saying.
Whatever.
I don't give a fuck if you think i'm nuts.
CNBC says the same "crazy" shit i say, they just say it like its no big deal. and try to paint roses on it.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
let me correct this for you:
the guy who KNOWS the law does not give the NSA 100% unadulterated control of anything. becos he has studied... you know... the law. not alternet and wikipedia.
for the record, i have vehemently opposed the NSA's wiretap program from day one of its exposure as an egregious constitutional violation and its lack of oversight. but to prove my point, look at the result: FISA was not renewed. the system works, and this abuse was checked.
HOLD THE PHONE!
ITS EVEN WORSE THAN I THOUGHT!
Apparently it was too late at night, or i was too stoned.
It is NOT THE "NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY"
It is the "NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL"
That's even worse. (honestly. its a wash. How could it rEALLY be worse than NSA?)
National Security Council?
chaired by the President. Its regular attendees (both statutory and non-statutory) are the Vice President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense, and the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.
THAT don't sound very democratic, at ALL.
Its just the king and all his men.
Again, from your friend wikipedia:
Since its inception under President Harry S. Truman, the function of the Council has been to advise and assist the President on national security and foreign policies.
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So ALL of this (your house, your money, your family, our oil, our gold, our water, where we live, how we work, every business, all healthcare professionals)
is all MANDATED BY THE PRESIDENT, BY HIMSELF?
Oh sure. He has "advisors", but this is pretty pathetic.
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"One of the few to complain, Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, D-Vt., warned that the measure virtually invites the White House to declare federal martial law. ... It 'subverts solid, longstanding posse comitatus statutes that limit the military’s involvement in law enforcement, thereby making it easier for the President to declare martial law,' he said in remarks submitted to the Congressional Record on Sept. 29
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Nik, it wasn't directed at you specifically. If it was I would have said that. It's just looking around this board there are alot of people who like going off half cocked after reading a headline of a story or maybe a paragraph. Like I said a little knowledge can be dangerous.
Hope you're doing well.
Admin
Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
okay.
no love loss.
I hope we get a FUCKING SHOW sometime soon ...
i won't talk "crazy" if there is some good pearl jam lovin' goin on.
okay.
if you get me really drunk, i might start with it.
That would be your cue to say "eddie vedder buttsex" which will put me right back on track to drunken pearl jam lovin.
Oh yeah.
or say, "Fanchy wants to take a picture with you."
That'll do the trick too.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
mandated? what are you talking about?
the courts can still review executive actions. the people can still vote somebody out of office. im not worried about anything.
Just what vote exactly do you so foolishly assume will be occuring under marshall law.
For there to be a vote, ESPECIALY a national one, someone has to set up the voting booths.
Unless you are talking about the congressional vote.
At which point i'm just speechless.
You're talking about a situation in which the government has taken away ALL your property and ALL of your rights ... your job, the media, and your family too ...
and under those circumstances you think the process is somehow still going to take a stand for you?
I really don't think you understand it.
Here is a tidbit for you:
So the congress could argue all day long with the president and it wouldn't do dick.
And the next question becomes, would the supreme court stop it?
Have you looked at the supreme court lately?
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
you think this could happen overnight? one night, we're a happy democracy, the next night every single american in the country is homeless becos dubya stormed in middle of the night and kicked them out and is now using the house to... what is his motive again? just for kicks or to show he can?
no, im not worried. if ANYONE suspended elections over a stock market dive, there would be riots in every state that would tear this fucking country down around the idiot's ears. period.
IF this is ever used (and seeing as it wasn't used even on 9/11 i think that's a VERY remote possibility, esp under your theory of a stock market crash that would somehow be worse than 9/11 was in your fantasy world), it would be such a huge undertaking, people would become aware of the abuse long before it was entrenched enough to pose a serious threat. you are tilting at windmills my friend. that's a literary reference by the way. don quixote... the man who saw imaginary enemies everywhere he went and nobly fought meaningless battles against things that never posed a threat to him.
You really are trying to get me banned aren't you?
Considering i JUST posted this video.
Did hitler get elected with 98% of the vote, and then later that week send all the jews and infirms off to the gas chamber?
Does ANYTHING of this magnitude happen over night?
When they spring this trap, it will be after the culmination of a whole mess a long time coming.
And if you don't think the stock market can go down as bad as it did on 911, you are already showing your ignorance, because earlier this month we were only a few percentage points away from that low.
We stopped going down, because the banks stopped disclosing and taking the write-offs everyone knows they still have coming.
So, in the next few months, when they are finally man enough to own up and slash those "assets" off their books, we will take the plunge.
Not to mention, the housing supply just went UP again today. Prices are now coming down too. It was just inventories going up and sales slowing.
Now inventories are going up again, sales are evening out (though still off their highs by like 40%) but PRICES are dropping dramaticaly.
As THAT happens, the banks will AGAIN be forced to take write-offs.
Again, you have NO IDEA what is going on with the "credit crisis". IT IS FUCKED UP!
I have to go to work now.
I can't wait to come home tonight and see "You have been banned. Time ban lifted: unspecified. Reason: Quit using logic to insult people"
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
logic? like "dipshit dumbass"?
as to the economy. fucked up? yes. crisis? sure. catastrophic apocalypse? don't think so.
as to reading comprehension, which you seem to lack) i was not talking about 9/11 in the economic sense. i was pointing out that if martial law was not declared when america was being physically ATTACKED violently by terrorism, it is NOT going to be declared just becos the stock market takes a dive. and if it is, people will march through the streets with the president's head on a stick. it will be great fun. i'll bring marshmallows. you bring the chocolate. but not hershey's, i hear they used their money to plot kitten poisonings becos cats are free thinkers like alex jones.
j/k
i was going to suggest a valium IV, but im not sure it would be strong enough. perhaps heroin would help.
yeah i like it.
I'm really good at standing on my head.
King pose?
Really good at that.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
combined with waaaaayyy too much pot.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Are you happy? Do you have any joy in your life?
Why does questioning the "wisdom" or "good intent" of my government automaticaly put im in to the "miserable fuck" category?
Maybe i derive some enjoyment from having a curious mind.
Ever think about that?
Are you happy with your head in the sand,
believing the the sun will always shine, and the roses will always bloom, and that your government loves you unconditionaly?
I'm sooooo sorry if it makes me a miserable fuck to question why the president would need the direct and unmitigated authority to control EVERY resource in the country, including my bank account, house, and family.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?