Heres A Hypothetical: What if Women Laid Eggs?

DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
edited December 2007 in A Moving Train
I just want to know.
I'm curious to hear the arguments of a few on this board, whose arguments on abortion seem to be based soley on "womans right", "womans body", "womans choice" and "dependent on mother", etc.

If women, instead of carying babies to term in their bodies, laid fertalized eggs, where the embryo developed in its own support ... instead of feeding off of mommy, simply fed off of pre-generated nutrients in the egg itself.

Is "abortion" still acceptable on such grounds?
Is it now that the egg is "property" of the mother, and can be crushed at any point before hatching?

Assume traditional 1-3 trimester development inside the egg.

Go.
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  • hehe interesting argument. I've never believed that cognitive human life begins at conception, but rather develops into cognition as time progresses (I'm pretty sure exhaustive embryonic studies confirm this as well). Same as a seed is not in fact actually the fruit, vegetable etc... without first drawing energy from it's immediate surroundings (all matter follows this very same principle actually)

    What bridges this gap of understanding of life (as we know, and are able to comprehend it) is a deep religious belief that is was all planned by god, and it's a big sin, so you are going to hell for it. Do I go to hell for holding a seed and not planting it then? Was it immoral for me to willingly (or mistakingly) throw it on a patch of dry cement instead of moist earth? hmm

    I'm feeling another free will thread coming on...
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  • hehe interesting argument. I've never believed that cognitive human life begins at conception, but rather develops into cognition as time progresses (I'm pretty sure exhaustive embryonic studies confirm this as well). Same as a seed is not in fact actually the fruit, vegetable etc... without first drawing energy from it's immediate surroundings (all matter follows this very same principle actually)

    What bridges this gap of understanding of life (as we know, and are able to comprehend it) is a deep religious belief that is was all planned by god, and it's a big sin, so you are going to hell for it. Do I go to hell for holding a seed and not planting it then? Was it immoral for me to willingly (or mistakingly) throw it on a patch of dry cement instead of moist earth? hmm

    I'm feeling another free will thread coming on...

    FYI i'm not talking about COGNITIVE life.
    I'm talking about LIFE LIFE. Just plain old LIFE.

    And what i'm really talking about is positions which SUPPORT abortion.

    Namely, if the baby is not IN the mother, is there still argument for abortion on constitutional grounds?
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    What came first the woman or the egg? Until this has been answered there is really no use discussing if I could fry, poach or scramble that abortion. ;)
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  • even flow? wrote:
    What came first the woman or the egg? Until this has been answered there is really no use discussing if I could fry, poach or scramble that abortion. ;)

    ::shutters::

    you did NOT just go there.

    lol.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    haha haa hows the weed where you are...ha ha ha

    (something you would say)


    but interesting idea nonetheless



    and if this were the case we would be arguing about installing chips inside one of our girls to monitor her life to determine when she lays an egg and where..

    and you would be supporting it just to fulfill your god given duty of controlling someone you think is inferior to you.
  • macgyver06 wrote:
    and you would be supporting it just to fulfill your god given duty of controlling someone you think is inferior to you.

    FYI.
    I remain agnostic and spiritual.
    I'm not sure where you keep pulling these preconceived notions about me -- your ass, probably.

    The only person i think is inferior to me right now is you, and i'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you just STFU with the personal attacks.

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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    FYI.
    I remain agnostic and spiritual.
    I'm not sure where you keep pulling these preconceived notions about me -- your ass, probably.

    The only person i think is inferior to me right now is you, and i'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you just STFU with the personal attacks.


    aww god has feelings to
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    ::shutters::

    you did NOT just go there.

    lol.


    I have heard countless vegetarians in my life say that about abortion when I eat eggs. I just passed it along in this thread. I guess they may have a point?

    As for which came first......I wonder if an egg has a "g" spot? :eek:
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    That would make one big ass omelet.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    I just want to know.
    I'm curious to hear the arguments of a few on this board, whose arguments on abortion seem to be based soley on "womans right", "womans body", "womans choice" and "dependent on mother", etc.

    If women, instead of carying babies to term in their bodies, laid fertalized eggs, where the embryo developed in its own support ... instead of feeding off of mommy, simply fed off of pre-generated nutrients in the egg itself.

    Is "abortion" still acceptable on such grounds?
    Is it now that the egg is "property" of the mother, and can be crushed at any point before hatching?

    Assume traditional 1-3 trimester development inside the egg.

    Go.

    Okay, I have thought about this for a moment and wouldn't it be even easier for the mom to walk away from an egg then a little, itty-bitty baby that needs to be taken from inside of her. Remember those experiments in science class where you would hatch stolen eggs from chickens in an incubator. Now if a mom walked away from an egg would we have to have incubators for the "aborted" eggs. Science would benefit from this as we could watch human life come to fruition under the heat lamp. And the mother's health wouldn't be at risk like regular abortions. There wouldn't be a need for ultrasound as all you would have to do is hold the egg up to a bright light. Hell I'm not even stoned and this is beginning to be a fun topic.
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  • This may be the silliest hypothetical I've ever seen, but I would say that in that case abortion would be much more questionable than in the current biological relationship between mother and fetus. I see no problem with a mother abandoning her eggs, for instance, but the wanton destruction of those eggs would certainly be questionable. That said, I think I would still side with the mother since the eggs would be her property. The sticky question, however, is who the life in the egg belongs to.
  • This may be the silliest hypothetical I've ever seen, but I would say that in that case abortion would be much more questionable than in the current biological relationship between mother and fetus. I see no problem with a mother abandoning her eggs, for instance, but the wanton destruction of those eggs would certainly be questionable. That said, I think I would still side with the mother since the eggs would be her property. The sticky question, however, is who the life in the egg belongs to.

    Thanks for the honesty, FFG.
    I just wanted to try and illustrate that the real crux of the mainstream argument is really more about womans body\womans choice than it is about anything REALLY concerning the "baby" itself.
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  • Thanks for the honesty, FFG.
    I just wanted to try and illustrate that the real crux of the mainstream argument is really more about womans body\womans choice than it is about anything REALLY concerning the "baby" itself.

    Well, of course it is. So what?
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    I just want to know.
    I'm curious to hear the arguments of a few on this board, whose arguments on abortion seem to be based soley on "womans right", "womans body", "womans choice" and "dependent on mother", etc.

    If women, instead of carying babies to term in their bodies, laid fertalized eggs, where the embryo developed in its own support ... instead of feeding off of mommy, simply fed off of pre-generated nutrients in the egg itself.

    Is "abortion" still acceptable on such grounds?
    Is it now that the egg is "property" of the mother, and can be crushed at any point before hatching?

    Assume traditional 1-3 trimester development inside the egg.

    Go.

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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Well, of course it is. So what?


    from what ive gathered... he is thrilled and quite proud of himself when he states obvious observations and common knowledge..

    maybe he is a gorilla that works at the busch gardens exhibit and they are teaching this thing to use computers...if this is the case than im very impressed... youve come along way from rearranging scattered boxes to reach a banana that is hanging.
  • No arguments would really matter here, because no one would have to go to a clinic to get an abortion...they'd just throw the egg away. And there'd be no practical way to make a law that would enable or deny this practice.
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    I just want to know.
    I'm curious to hear the arguments of a few on this board, whose arguments on abortion seem to be based soley on "womans right", "womans body", "womans choice" and "dependent on mother", etc.

    If women, instead of carying babies to term in their bodies, laid fertalized eggs, where the embryo developed in its own support ... instead of feeding off of mommy, simply fed off of pre-generated nutrients in the egg itself.

    Is "abortion" still acceptable on such grounds?
    Is it now that the egg is "property" of the mother, and can be crushed at any point before hatching?

    Assume traditional 1-3 trimester development inside the egg.

    Go.

    I couldn't keep an egg in my house, I have two dogs.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Saturnal wrote:
    No arguments would really matter here, because no one would have to go to a clinic to get an abortion...they'd just throw the egg away. And there'd be no practical way to make a law that would enable or deny this practice.

    Why throw it away when you can crack that sucker open and some onions and peppers and make yourself a nice omelet. You know what now that I think about it this would be a great way to solve famine. Get pregnant, lay an egg, and then eat the egg.
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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Women "lay eggs" already dont they? Biologically speaking.
    But if they did lay hen-like eggs, then we probably wouldn't give a fuck, as they would then be laying them all the time, fertilized or not. The problem would cease to exist, because noone'd care very much. The incubator idea would then be horrible as that would overpopulate everywhere in notime.

    Not to mention that the human species would probably develop very differently, so we wouldn't be here, or us at all.

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  • WhizbangWhizbang Posts: 1,314
    Women "lay eggs" already dont they? Biologically speaking.

    yes, we do...they drop with a "thud" every month from puberty to menopause. ;)
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  • If women laid eggs and birthed like the avian species...everything changes.

    Abortion wouldn't exist but there would be laws concerning the egg. There would be religions worshipping the egg.

    If a family decided they didn't want a child.. Birthing centers would most likely exist..more surrogate families would exist...more orphanages...

    There would be social outcasts... Those that birthed weak eggs, those that had "accidents" with their eggs. There would be an entire separate court system governing the treatment of eggs.

    The eggs would be edible... So naturaly there would be cultures and religions that had varying beliefs on human consumption of eggs.

    Some parts of the world would have egg farms where women would donate their infertile eggs for a profit to feed the starving people.

    The game show Survivor would be different. The women would have eggs to feed off of so then it would be harder to vote them off.


    ...that's the word on the street at least.
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  • emily18emily18 Posts: 489
    abandoning the egg would just be like abandoning the baby...you dont necessarily have to kill the egg. you'd just give it up.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
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  • MagstarMagstar Posts: 117
    Well, why abort an egg? I think the major problem would be scatter-minded people "losing" the eggs. :p Or trading them or mixing them up with someone else's or cooking them... wow. Now I see why God didn't plan it that way.
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  • Magstar wrote:
    Well, why abort an egg? I think the major problem would be scatter-minded people "losing" the eggs. :p Or trading them or mixing them up with someone else's or cooking them... wow. Now I see why God didn't plan it that way.

    It's the cure to world hunger!!!1!!1!one!:p
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Family members and close friends would sign the egg like people do with casts. People would keep their egg shells as souvenirs.

    Eventually, the toxins in marking pens would be linked to birth defects, and signing eggshells is then deemed illegal until dupont eventually comes out with an "egg-safe" type of ink that is both permanent and does not seep through the shell.
  • sponger wrote:
    Family members and close friends would sign the egg like people do with casts. People would keep their egg shells as souvenirs.

    Eventually, the toxins in marking pens would be linked to birth defects, and signing eggshells is then deemed illegal until dupont eventually comes out with an "egg-safe" type of ink that is both permanent and does not seep through the shell.
    it seems like you've given this a lot of thought ;)
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    it seems like you've given this a lot of thought ;)


    Yes, I whipped out a sketch pad and spent a few hours writing down some ideas.
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