Something You Should Know About Obama: HE ISN'T GETTING THE NOMINATION

cornnifer

Nevermind wrote:

Hillary/Obama WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

You're sick. Not only is this a stupid idea, it will never fucking happen. No way.

Well, i'm off to caucus. see ya.

OutOfBreath

I thought you have already confirmed with other threads that Obama has all the right connections to be an establishment president... Or is there something about him that makes it necessary for "the establishment" to roll out and kill his chances? If he is an establishment guy as you say, the best thing they could do is have HIM win, with all the enthusiasm about him. People would think a real change had come, and be content for years more. That is, if I was gona think conspiratorial illuminati-style.

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Dan

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i enjoy this thread

DriftingByTheStorm

OutOfBreath wrote:

I thought you have already confirmed with other threads that Obama has all the right connections to be an establishment president... Or is there something about him that makes it necessary for "the establishment" to roll out and kill his chances? If he is an establishment guy as you say, the best thing they could do is have HIM win, with all the enthusiasm about him. People would think a real change had come, and be content for years more. That is, if I was gona think conspiratorial illuminati-style.

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Dan

Yeah.
I just don't think he is the puppet with the most strings.
If some how all their best efforts fail, he will suffice, but their Plan A is Hillary.

Garnishing wages is a hop skip and a jump over just raising taxes ... and she has proved that she is willing to completely subvert the will of the people to pull off their schemes.



Sorry it took me until 5pm to put my tinfoil on today.

I slept in late, having not gone to bed until 5 am last night.

OutOfBreath

I dont see how "they" ever will fail. You conspiracy theorist types never factor in human error on "their" part. Hillary it is then. NWO FTW!

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Dan

DriftingByTheStorm

OutOfBreath wrote:

I dont see how "they" ever will fail. You conspiracy theorist types never factor in human error on "their" part. Hillary it is then. NWO FTW!

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Dan

On the contrary, we factory in failure more than you realize.

The fact is "they" are only human, despite all their wealth and alleged brains.

In fact Alex Jones was talking in one of his broadcasts the other day about how their failures are THE reason we still have any liberty or chance of suceeding in our opposition.

He said, if you had seen some of the documents he has ... the studies & plans drafted for them by their highly qualified scientists (remember, War of The Worlds was a "study" comissioned by the elite. this isn't theory, it is documented) ... he said that IF the elite were on point with these plans, following them to the "T", then we would have no chance.

However, that like us, even they are sometimes complacent ... or their sons and daughters fail to take their parents goals as seriously ... or that they just plain screw up sometimes (not to get in to 911, but does anyone here still not wonder how in the hell two news chanels could report the collapse of WTC 7 20 minutes BEFORE it fell !?!) ...

those are the reasons they fail sometimes ... that and sometimes the will of the people actualy does thwart their best efforts.

But let me ask you again,
having seen some of the quotes thrown up on this board by us "conspiracy nuts" ... what is your take?

Why would someone like a Rockefeller say that their goal is indeed world government, and that they do in fact, admit they are subverting the best interestes of America?

Do you just laugh that stuff off?
Or do you think people like Rockefeller are just delusional?

Because they sure have undertaken the actions to back up their claims.

OutOfBreath

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

But let me ask you again,
having seen some of the quotes thrown up on this board by us "conspiracy nuts" ... what is your take?

Why would someone like a Rockefeller say that their goal is indeed world government, and that they do in fact, admit they are subverting the best interestes of America?

Do you just laugh that stuff off?
Or do you think people like Rockefeller are just delusional?

Because they sure have undertaken the actions to back up their claims.

I dont put that much stock in said quotes. So what if Rockefeller said his goal was world government? Maybe he is misquoted, misunderstood, or maybe he actually felt that world government were for the best. I dont care too much about what some rich guy is supposed to have said some time ago.

I have seen 1 video of Alex Jones, dont remember which one. Something about military maneuvering in a suburb or something, and I wasn't impressed to say the least.

You "conspiracy nuts" ruin it for yourselves by your frequent grand-standing and crying of wolf for everything. Part of it is the right-wing agenda common for conspiracy theorists for some reason, and the perception of society to go with it. You sat you factor in error, but I dont see it at all in any theories. They all usually posit an almighty almost omniscient world-spanding conspiracy that has gone on for, what, 100 years? 200 years? The conspiracy is for some reason tied to socialism, which reveals its elite roots from the 1800s as what those in power were afraid of. Nevermind that the world population has doubled doubled and doubled many times the last 100 years, gradually making more and more coordination necessary.

I use occam's razor fiercely on conspiracy theories. Is a conspiracy REQUIRED for the following scenario x? Most often it isn't at all. And if one is worried about the elite controlling us, that struggle is pretty much out in the open as there are conflicts between capitalists/major companies and their workers. Marx is till not totally outdated. The elite look out for themselves, and the people have to band together to look out for their selves. So instead of trying to find obscure connections of a satanic conspiracy, I rather get involved in what does go on on the world. The real struggles are pretty much out in the open.

That's my take anyway. Any mention of "Illuminati" or "freemasons" lose my interest pretty fast. But I can't stop people from believing them I guess. There are corruption, people misusing their authorities and what have you all over the place. I get sceptical when some people seem to tie it ALL together neatly with a ribbon on it. The world is more complicated and complex than that.

That answer your question?

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Dan

DriftingByTheStorm

OutOfBreath wrote:

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Dan

Occams Razor is completely inapplicable to this discussion.

And David Rockefeller is currently ALIVE and still attending Bilderberg every year.

He wasn't misquoted. IT IS FROM HIS FUCKING AUTOBIOGRAPHY, PUBLISHED IN LATE 2002.

I'm not wasting any more of my time.
You don't even acknowledge quotes from the source as being valid.

WTF?

OutOfBreath

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Occams Razor is completely inapplicable to this discussion.

And David Rockefeller is currently ALIVE and still attending Bilderberg every year.

He wasn't misquoted. IT IS FROM HIS FUCKING AUTOBIOGRAPHY, PUBLISHED IN LATE 2002.

I'm not wasting any more of my time.
You don't even acknowledge quotes from the source as being valid.

WTF?

Well, my bad then. But seriously, Occams razor is definitely to be applied when one is confronted with the jungle of theories on everything and anything found on the net.

But you asked for my general take on conspiracy theires, and I stated them.

(edit) and i dont think you'll make me a true believer conspiracy theorist overnight either...

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Dan

audome25

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Are you realy so delusional to think there is any difference between the parties?

Both support more war.
One just says they don't... well, sometimes. anyhow.


Both support globalized trade.

Both support the NAU (one wants rigid control of the borders so they have more control, the other would prefer to just destroy the borders and get on with world government proper)

Both LOVE to spend money they don't have.
I mean really just fucking dump dollars down the shithole.

None of them will even consider legalizing industrial hemp, and godforbid you mention medical marijuana (and you're outright insane if you mention recreational marijuana)

Both of them love taxes (although one is paranoid about keeping that burden off the rich, and the other about pretending to tax the rich some more)

None of them will talk about getting rid of the income tax ... and one of them wants to add more taxes (i'll give you a guess which one)

About the ONLY difference i really see at this point is one side is CLEARLY gung-ho about fucking your wallet\purse for more taxes (a LOT more taxes) to pay for socialized medicine. And this just happens to be the side the establishment is pushing to no end. Why? Because that is a BIG part of the plan. Oh ... and lets not forget the "carbon tax" ... Pffft. Yeah. They need more of your money to further THEIR empire. So you will get a dem, and it will be the evil Hillary.

Look.
Its a sham.
One "side" gets the man more war and more contracts for guns and bombs, and gets them an excuse to steal all your liberties

the other side just comes in after everyone is sick of it promising "change", and all they realy do is change how they are fucking you and stealing your liberty. And this go round they start focusing on stealing more of your dollars under the guise of paying to fix all the things the other side broke or neglected. And then, if they need to take more liberties, they just ramp up another war anyhow. I mean hell, we're all used to it by now.

How long has this "war" gone on?

How long have the Dems had to stop it now !?!?!

WHATS THE DIFFERENCE!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????

that was actually my point, we don't need another dem or republican. it's funny, last few years here there's been a ton of people swearing up and down their opposition to bush was because of him "raping the constitution" "breaking the law" "taking away civil liberties" etc, and was in no way based on partisan politics. and now that there is a guy who actually stands for the constitution and maximum civil liberties they are going with the flavor of the month dem instead like they always do.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I'm betting if Barak gets nominated, McCain becomes the next president.

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MasterFramer

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'm betting if Barak gets nominated, McCain becomes the next president.

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great... who cares? You cant vote anyways...