Barack Obama -- Honest But Utterly Ignornat, or Abject Liar?

DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
edited May 2008 in A Moving Train
Check this out...
Obama answering questions at an event.

Now.
Notice the first segment,
he says he "sees no evidence of a plan to build a union."

Hell, he couldn't even remember the term, "union".

Now,
watch this - the V.P of Jefferies talking candidly about the NAU and the Amero. He acknowledges that most Americans have "their head in the sand."
Truth? Uh, yeah.

And this:
Dobbs talking about most recent SPP meeting in NOLA

Notice Dobbs has a member of congress on to acknowledge that the president is NOT discussing this with our elected representatives.

Concerned?

NOW GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE SECOND QUESTION OBAMA GETS ASKED.

After having heard his response to the first question,
and then watching the two other videos I posted,
CAN YOU BELIEVE HIM?

Is he just a completely ignorant goober who thinks he is JFK, or is he a lying globalist puppet?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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  • Barack....it rhymes better with crack...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Check this out...
    Obama answering questions at an event.

    Now.
    Notice the first segment,
    he says he "sees no evidence of a plan to build a union."

    Hell, he couldn't even remember the term, "union".

    Now,
    watch this - the V.P of Jefferies talking candidly about the NAU and the Amero. He acknowledges that most Americans have "their head in the sand."
    Truth? Uh, yeah.

    And this:
    Dobbs talking about most recent SPP meeting in NOLA

    Notice Dobbs has a member of congress on to acknowledge that the president is NOT discussing this with our elected representatives.

    Concerned?

    NOW GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE SECOND QUESTION OBAMA GETS ASKED.

    After having heard his response to the first question,
    and then watching the two other videos I posted,
    CAN YOU BELIEVE HIM?

    Is he just a completely ignorant goober who thinks he is JFK, or is he a lying globalist puppet?
    Hey!! Thanks for sharing this!! I can't wait until I have time to go over it with a fine tooth comb......my spider-sense was tingling the minute Obama did the "bumbling" over the term North American union....right there, I see something suspect... (edit: that's as far as I am in the video thus far..)

    This is one very savvy dude. "Bumbling" isn't so becoming of him.....Plus I liked the way he smokescreened the first issue (CFR) and made it all cute and humourous.........

    Although....I'm not sure it's an "either/or" re: globalist puppet vs ignorant goober.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • angelica wrote:
    I'm not sure it's an "either/or" re: globalist puppet vs ignorant goober.

    Oh, you're right about that.
    Compartmentalization is the modus operandi, for sure.
    compartmentalization, need to know, plausible denial.

    There is a reason that Bilderberg and CIA are intimately connected. Most people don't even know that. They are of the same cloth.
    In fact all CIA directors have been CFR members,a nd the man who started the ONI was a founding member of Bilderberg.
    CIA is very much an institution of the elite.


    Anway, i got CIA on the brain, that was totaly off topic.

    But you are correct.

    I think the real question, as i have been asking all along, is -- does Obama UNDERSTAND, at ANY level, what he is getting in to, or is he a compeletly ignorant goober?

    If he IS an ignorant goober, he must be living in a box. It is just not probable.

    That is why i think he is so dangerous -- because he is able to PRETEND like he is all innocent and "good".

    BTW, does anyone wonder why we keep getting LAWYERS up for office? Both the Clintons and Obama are laywers.

    No WONDER they are so good at flat out lying.

    Man i'm all over the place right now.

    I need lunch.
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Check this out...
    Obama answering questions at an event.

    Now.
    Notice the first segment,
    he says he "sees no evidence of a plan to build a union."

    Hell, he couldn't even remember the term, "union".

    Now,
    watch this - the V.P of Jefferies talking candidly about the NAU and the Amero. He acknowledges that most Americans have "their head in the sand."
    Truth? Uh, yeah.

    And this:
    Dobbs talking about most recent SPP meeting in NOLA

    Notice Dobbs has a member of congress on to acknowledge that the president is NOT discussing this with our elected representatives.

    Concerned?

    NOW GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE SECOND QUESTION OBAMA GETS ASKED.

    After having heard his response to the first question,
    and then watching the two other videos I posted,
    CAN YOU BELIEVE HIM?

    Is he just a completely ignorant goober who thinks he is JFK, or is he a lying globalist puppet?

    This one of the main reasons I don't like this man, I think he should have Dennis Kucinich as a running mate. even though that would never happen.

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    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • weekend bump.

    people need to investigate the way their candidates answer questions,
    and think criticaly.

    For Barack to deny that there is "evidence of a ... what was it you called it? Yes, a union." is just silly talk.

    SPP is real.
    The fact that the executive branch has 100% removed itself from the public perview and the oversight of congress is totally real.

    The fact that obama denies this is insane!
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    or is he a lying globalist puppet?




    you guys crack me up! :)
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Anway, i got CIA on the brain,

    noooooo, you don't say ;)
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,338
    weekend bump.

    people need to investigate the way their candidates answer questions,
    and think criticaly.

    For Barack to deny that there is "evidence of a ... what was it you called it? Yes, a union." is just silly talk.

    SPP is real.
    The fact that the executive branch has 100% removed itself from the public perview and the oversight of congress is totally real.

    The fact that obama denies this is insane!
    i think your way out there on that one, there was some talk of a co-dollar when our loonie first hit parity with your american dollar but that idea was dropped as soon as it was put out there. As a Canadian who is active in politics there is nothing in the wind up here about a union....we have no desire to trap out destiny with a fading empire. Your lucky to have such a canidate as you do in Barack Obama.
  • yield6 wrote:
    i think your way out there on that one, there was some talk of a co-dollar when our loonie first hit parity with your american dollar but that idea was dropped as soon as it was put out there. As a Canadian who is active in politics there is nothing in the wind up here about a union....we have no desire to trap out destiny with a fading empire. Your lucky to have such a canidate as you do in Barack Obama.


    Actually, we have better. He's not all that impressive.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    yield6 wrote:
    i think your way out there on that one, there was some talk of a co-dollar when our loonie first hit parity with your american dollar but that idea was dropped as soon as it was put out there. As a Canadian who is active in politics there is nothing in the wind up here about a union....we have no desire to trap out destiny with a fading empire. Your lucky to have such a canidate as you do in Barack Obama.


    good point of view...
  • yield6 wrote:
    i think your way out there on that one, there was some talk of a co-dollar when our loonie first hit parity with your american dollar but that idea was dropped as soon as it was put out there. As a Canadian who is active in politics there is nothing in the wind up here about a union....we have no desire to trap out destiny with a fading empire. Your lucky to have such a canidate as you do in Barack Obama.

    yeah, your way out there on the "lucky to have a lying dirt bag politician like barack obama" comment.

    As far as you not wanting to trap your destiny with a fading empire,
    i have to say its really cute that you think as a soverign country you have a choice in the matter.

    Did you not see the video of the police planting provacateurs in the midst of a peacefull protest of the SPP sumit up in canada late last year?
    it was admitted.

    What is it, that you actually think you have a say in the matter?

    What the globalists want, they will get.
    They will use the Hegelian dialectic, and problem reaction solution to fuck you everytime.

    There is no choice, only brute force, and ruthless coercion.
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    yeah, your way out there on the "lucky to have a lying dirt bag politician like barack obama" comment.

    As far as you not wanting to trap your destiny with a fading empire,
    i have to say its really cute that you think as a soverign country you have a choice in the matter.

    Did you not see the video of the police planting provacateurs in the midst of a peacefull protest of the SPP sumit up in canada late last year?
    it was admitted.

    What is it, that you actually think you have a say in the matter?

    What the globalists want, they will get.
    They will use the Hegelian dialectic, and problem reaction solution to fuck you everytime.

    There is no choice, only brute force, and ruthless coercion.


    am i a puppet brainwashed sheeple if i think the european union is a good thing? just asking...
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117

    Did you not see the video of the police planting provacateurs in the midst of a peacefull protest of the SPP sumit up in canada late last year?
    it was admitted.

    i would like to see that...

    link me up scotty
  • my2hands wrote:
    am i a puppet brainwashed sheeple if i think the european union is a good thing? just asking...

    no. but it makes you a socialist, and also, imho, somewhat anti-american, and a chump.

    and, by anti american, i don't mean, that because you disagree with me you are bad, you are entitled to your free speech, though, and beliefs,
    but a belief that selling america out to globalist "democratic" institutions is somehow good for this country, is pretty poor patriotism, imho.

    The founding fathers certainly would be rolling in their graves at the though.

    And i swear to god, if someone mentions "slaves", because i brought up a bunch of "elitist white men", give me a fucking break. They gave you your freedoms, show some respect.

    as for the SPP video, you'll have to do some of your own leg work, i can't spoon feed everything to you, i'm at work. google something like "spp canada protest cops" it shouldn't be hard.

    you probably won't believe it anyhow, since its on youtube.
    :cool:
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • I can confirm the provocateur situation. It was in the papers all over the place up here.

    NDP leader Jack Layton sent out broadcast emails like crazy afterwards. Fuck, for a while there he was emailing me directly because I think I actually informed him about the NAU in the first place. I doubt he responds from his personal account and includes attachments to too many people out there.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    my2hands wrote:
    am i a puppet brainwashed sheeple if i think the european union is a good thing? just asking...
    no. but it makes you a socialist, and also, imho, somewhat anti-american, and a chump.

    and, by anti american, i don't mean, that because you disagree with me you are bad, you are entitled to your free speech, though, and beliefs,
    but a belief that selling america out to globalist "democratic" institutions is somehow good for this country, is pretty poor patriotism, imho.

    The founding fathers certainly would be rolling in their graves at the though.

    And i swear to god, if someone mentions "slaves", because i brought up a bunch of "elitist white men", give me a fucking break. They gave you your freedoms, show some respect.

    as for the SPP video, you'll have to do some of your own leg work, i can't spoon feed everything to you, i'm at work. google something like "spp canada protest cops" it shouldn't be hard.

    you probably won't believe it anyhow, since its on youtube.
    :cool:
    The thing about a NAU is it may have an ideal side for people who hold an ideology that aligns with the concept. The key point is, however, that if the average American - or Canadian** for that matter - had any idea that they were being covertly led in that direction despite their own ideology that believes farrrrrr differently, they would be mortified and appalled. So when certain individuals in power have agendas that serve themselves ultimately, and the skills to lead beyond the true intentions and purposes of the people, well that's just not cool. I see it as manipulation and it's abuse of leadership power in representing the masses. It happens all the time. And I object.

    **as a fellow Canadian, I see a different persepctive than yield6 on the matter...I see that Canadians ARE getting wind of it up here...and there are politically aware Canadians who are distinctly concerned and watching what's happening re: the SPP/NAU because they agree with yield6....we don't want to "trap out destiny with a fading empire". The concern from such individuals is that the powers that be are working beyond the concern of the people, and beyond the power of the people, in very savvy ways and are bringing this about as we speak.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Check this out...
    Obama answering questions at an event.

    Now.
    Notice the first segment,
    he says he "sees no evidence of a plan to build a union."

    Hell, he couldn't even remember the term, "union".

    Now,
    watch this - the V.P of Jefferies talking candidly about the NAU and the Amero. He acknowledges that most Americans have "their head in the sand."
    Truth? Uh, yeah.

    And this:
    Dobbs talking about most recent SPP meeting in NOLA

    Notice Dobbs has a member of congress on to acknowledge that the president is NOT discussing this with our elected representatives.

    Concerned?

    NOW GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE SECOND QUESTION OBAMA GETS ASKED.

    After having heard his response to the first question,
    and then watching the two other videos I posted,
    CAN YOU BELIEVE HIM?

    Is he just a completely ignorant goober who thinks he is JFK, or is he a lying globalist puppet?
    Okay, here's my take:

    I think Obama is accurate saying "there is no evidence" of the union. There IS no evidence. (edit: beyond the stated purposes of the SPP meetings...anything else remains speculation at this point) That doesn't mean it's not going on. It just means we don't have any evidence of it.

    It's also clear that he is using the "for the people" stuff in order to win votes, as politicians do. He knows the speak.

    The bottom line for me is he betrayed his "charisma" with his smokescreening and what I thought was obvious silly pretending that he didn't even know what the NAU was called. It's a red flag for me....he's giving himself away. He definitely knows a lot more than he's telling people. And I'm not so quick to say what that is.

    I see the problem with even idealist politicians is that they are thinking "above" the heads of the people, thinking in the people's "best interests", even when going against what the people state they want. It's dichotomous, elitist thinking. Granted, when the people hand over their power to such individuals as is the current way, they all buy into this dynamic. It keeps a few people in power, and many unempowered (by choice). I suspect Obama means well, but, he's still playing the imbalance game of the masses, however you look at it. It's what the vast majority wants at this time....albeit unconsciously. What I mean is people continue to co-create these dynamics and will have to live with that. The problem is, they are so caught up in the stories they tell themselves and others -- our personal agendas - that they miss out one what's really happening.

    It's like a magic trick. Most of us keep ourselves focussed on what our right hand is doing while the left hand continues to conjure up illusions right before our eyes, that we must continue to live out.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    yield6 wrote:
    i think your way out there on that one, there was some talk of a co-dollar when our loonie first hit parity with your american dollar but that idea was dropped as soon as it was put out there. As a Canadian who is active in politics there is nothing in the wind up here about a union....we have no desire to trap out destiny with a fading empire. Your lucky to have such a canidate as you do in Barack Obama.


    what about the nafta super highway? what about citigroup, the law firm involved in the nafta super highway and some foreign countries trying to buy the penssylvanian turnpike? isn't that over 500 miles? didn't public tax money pay for that? why should it be owned by corporations?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    my2hands wrote:
    i would like to see that...

    link me up scotty
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow&feature=related
    Lots of mainstream coverage in the related links...none since it happened tho...
    yield6 wrote:
    i think your way out there on that one, there was some talk of a co-dollar when our loonie first hit parity with your american dollar but that idea was dropped as soon as it was put out there. As a Canadian who is active in politics there is nothing in the wind up here about a union....we have no desire to trap out destiny with a fading empire. Your lucky to have such a canidate as you do in Barack Obama.

    when the loonie first hit parity? They've been talking about this for years already. Maybe you just haven't heard much about it....

    edit: forget that dobbs article...damn drive by posts :p
    check this out:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8375

    "While a vision is appealing, working on the infrastructure might yield more benefit and bring more people on board ('evolution by stealth')," John Manley at the 2006 North American Forum meeting at the Banff Springs....google it's guest list, it's pretty impressive.

    also...'no desire to trap out destiny with a fading empire'?
    80% of our exports go the US, and exports make up 40% of our GDP....I don't think we could possibly be any more trapped.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Check this out...
    Obama answering questions at an event.

    Now.
    Notice the first segment,
    he says he "sees no evidence of a plan to build a union."

    Hell, he couldn't even remember the term, "union".

    Now,
    watch this - the V.P of Jefferies talking candidly about the NAU and the Amero. He acknowledges that most Americans have "their head in the sand."
    Truth? Uh, yeah.

    And this:
    Dobbs talking about most recent SPP meeting in NOLA

    Notice Dobbs has a member of congress on to acknowledge that the president is NOT discussing this with our elected representatives.

    Concerned?

    NOW GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE SECOND QUESTION OBAMA GETS ASKED.

    After having heard his response to the first question,
    and then watching the two other videos I posted,
    CAN YOU BELIEVE HIM?

    Is he just a completely ignorant goober who thinks he is JFK, or is he a lying globalist puppet?


    he doesn't know if he's a member of the council on foreign relations or not?? it's just a place where some ppl discuss foreign policy issues, nothing more??

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations

    Through its membership, meetings, and studies, it has been called the most powerful agent of United States foreign policy outside the State Department.....

    It has exerted influence on U.S. foreign policy from the beginning, due to its roster of State Department and other government officials as members; as such, it has been the focus of many controversies (Perloff 37, et passim). A study by two critics of the organization, Laurence Shoup and William Minter, found that of 502 government officials surveyed from 1945 to 1972, more than half were members of the Council.[7]


    .....the man sure can dodge a question, eh?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
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