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DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
http://video.google.com/videosearch?um=1&tab=wv&hl=en&q=ron%20paul

I mean ... i usually have a serious bend in the other political direction ... but on everything except ... cough cough ... sadly ... abortion ... he seems like a fucking GOD SEND!

I mean ... this guy is WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY the fuck off the map of the political spectrum in terms of what he is willing to discuss openly and with great sincerity ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

Abolishment of the Federal Reserve
Abolishment of the CIA
Abolishment of the Federal Income Tax \ IRS
Renounces nation building and meddling with sovereign nations affairs
Withdrawal from Iraq - ASAP
Abandoning the war on drugs
States Allowed to choose their own stance on medical marijuana
States allowed to choose whether to grow industrial hemp or not
Balanced budgets
No tax raises
No Federal Involvement in Education
No increases in congressional pay

the fucking list goes on and on ...

like i said ... the ONLY thing that scares me is his opinion on abortion ... which stems from years as a practicing OBGYN and he does admit to having affection for personal religion ... but NOT state endorsed religion!

General Information from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

Washington Post KEY VOTES Summary:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/P000583/key-votes/

Note he BREAKS WITH HIS PARTY ON AT LEAST 1\3rd of these ISSUES !


Summary Of Political Positions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

IS THIS GUY TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?

How come i see VERY LITTLE discussion of this fellow?

I would pick him over ANY Dem. nominee in a HEART BEAT ... maybe even Gore if he should run ... infact the ONLY thing i really admire about gore is his environmental stance ... other than that, he's just another puppet to me.

RP does NOT seem to be controlled by any one.

Funny shit from Bill Maher ...

1st Appearance (Before Primary GOP Debates) BM Not Too Sure about RP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6KIusCBoU

2nd Appearance (AFTER Debates) now RP is Maher's "HERO":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYDt7kC3Z0

Maher DEFENDING RP!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTtqQZ_M2bE


WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
I THINK I MAY BE IN LOVE!
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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Comments

  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    The president, who in comparion to the two maybe three other candidates more closely matches your "political" views.

    not many willing to vote for a good president

    I guess voters don't think we necessarily need a good president
  • edvedder3779edvedder3779 Posts: 65
    The reason why you see such little discussion is because there is an active crusade to kill this guy's campaign.
    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
    -The Duke
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    I don't mean a total hippie annhilation of all that the US of A holds dear.

    And I'm a hippie.

    I like Ron Paul's viewpoints, I like Dennis Kucinich's and even Mike Gravel's too.

    But we have to stay somewhat mainstream, folks.

    Hell, even I, the Grand Bu Meister, realizes that Obama himself may be a pipe dream. But at least he's got some numbers behind him.

    Pipe dream v. Main stream.

    That's always been the issue with honest candidates who know what's going on. Why not try taking little baby steps towards freedom of the people, for the people, by the people?
    Feels Good Inc.
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Ron Paul is the shit. Everyone from the Dems and Repubs should just vote for him because he knows what the fuck he's doing...ditch the mainstream.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    But I hope that they vote with some education behind them.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Ron Paul knows what individual liberty is all about. The traditional parties are corrupt - Ron Paul is outside the mainstream and trustworthy.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    But hardly anyone outside the Pit even knows who he is.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Bu2 wrote:
    But hardly anyone outside the Pit even knows who he is.

    Well Bu, ya know you can't trust the media to talk to much about the good guys.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    But we can join local political organizations, in the meantime, and start talking with people who might not otherwise give a damn about politics, and we can start movements.

    I did it with Barack's campaign, and it's going very well.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    The candidates that the media is supporting are bullshit. Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul should sit down and have a fucking debate about the issues. Perhaps the majority of americans wouldn't understand wtf they're talking about, but hell, it would be a REAL DISCUSSION about what we're confronting.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Bu2 wrote:
    But we can join local political organizations, in the meantime, and start talking with people who might not otherwise give a damn about politics, and we can start movements.

    I did it with Barack's campaign, and it's going very well.

    I'm only saying that just because a candidate has had less exposure and is less known, doesn't mean they aren't worth the time...those are the guys we need to be rallying behind. Become the media.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    The candidates that the media is supporting are bullshit. Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul should sit down and have a fucking debate about the issues. Perhaps the majority of americans wouldn't understand wtf they're talking about, but hell, it would be a REAL DISCUSSION about what we're confronting.

    +1
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    I agree 100%.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Until I started reading your posts here in AMT, I didn't even know who Kucinich and Paul were.

    And talking HERE isn't enough. If you think this country is going to change because all of us here in the Pearl Jam Message Pit want change, I'm sorry to say that isn't enough.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Bu2 wrote:
    Until I started reading your posts here in AMT, I didn't even know who Kucinich and Paul were.

    And talking HERE isn't enough. If you think this country is going to change because all of us here in the Pearl Jam Message Pit want change, I'm sorry to say that isn't enough.


    Both of those guys are talking their heads off.

    And who said anything about only using the message pit to get the word out?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    And he's still considered to be "second tier" compared to Hillary, by some, and Hillary is still considered to be ridiculous compared to the GOP, by most.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Bu2 wrote:
    And he's still considered to be "second tier" compared to Hillary, by some, and Hillary is still considered to be ridiculous compared to the GOP, by most.

    so you're saying Ron Paul has a chance?

    Cause that's what i WANT to hear!
    :)
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    http://video.google.com/videosearch?um=1&tab=wv&hl=en&q=ron%20paul

    I mean ... i usually have a serious bend in the other political direction ... but on everything except ... cough cough ... sadly ... abortion ... he seems like a fucking GOD SEND!

    I mean ... this guy is WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY the fuck off the map of the political spectrum in terms of what he is willing to discuss openly and with great sincerity ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

    Abolishment of the Federal Reserve
    Abolishment of the CIA
    Abolishment of the Federal Income Tax \ IRS
    Renounces nation building and meddling with sovereign nations affairs
    Withdrawal from Iraq - ASAP
    Abandoning the war on drugs
    States Allowed to choose their own stance on medical marijuana
    States allowed to choose whether to grow industrial hemp or not
    Balanced budgets
    No tax raises
    No Federal Involvement in Education
    No increases in congressional pay

    the fucking list goes on and on ...

    like i said ... the ONLY thing that scares me is his opinion on abortion ... which stems from years as a practicing OBGYN and he does admit to having affection for personal religion ... but NOT state endorsed religion!

    General Information from Wikipedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

    Washington Post KEY VOTES Summary:
    http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/P000583/key-votes/

    Note he BREAKS WITH HIS PARTY ON AT LEAST 1\3rd of these ISSUES !


    Summary Of Political Positions:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

    IS THIS GUY TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?

    How come i see VERY LITTLE discussion of this fellow?

    I would pick him over ANY Dem. nominee in a HEART BEAT ... maybe even Gore if he should run ... infact the ONLY thing i really admire about gore is his environmental stance ... other than that, he's just another puppet to me.

    RP does NOT seem to be controlled by any one.

    Funny shit from Bill Maher ...

    1st Appearance (Before Primary GOP Debates) BM Not Too Sure about RP:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6KIusCBoU

    2nd Appearance (AFTER Debates) now RP is Maher's "HERO":
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYDt7kC3Z0

    Maher DEFENDING RP!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTtqQZ_M2bE


    WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
    I THINK I MAY BE IN LOVE!


    i think we have a lot more serious problems than the abortion issue
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    jrb112476 wrote:
    i think we have a lot more serious problems than the abortion issue

    well,
    that's enlightening.
    i'm not even sure what position you just took.
    more serious problems about Ron Pauls record & platform?
    or more serious problems in this world?
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • XieLanthiaXieLanthia Posts: 4
    Bu2 wrote:
    But hardly anyone outside the Pit even knows who he is.

    Well, it seems that is what the media, the democrats and even the republicans want us to think - that no one or at the very least not enough people know about him to make a difference. I'll admit it IS a long shot but he does have a strong "internet" following and that's a start. People are waking up. And about damn time too. I have never been more encouraged about America's future than I have these last few months. For the first time in my life I believe we have a chance to make a change in government as well as our quality of life (the quality of liberty in our lives). At this time I think Ron Paul may very well be our best chance for that. And I think if we stay positive and do our parts to "get the word out" and help educate, he has a much better chance than what the media lets on.

    An example of this is that recently I sat my parents down to inform them of Ron Paul. Knowing full well that they weren't aware of him because they rely on what mainstream media tells them. I compiled some information that highlighted some of Ron Paul's more important points and showed it to them so they could make a more informed decision on the Presidential Candidacy. I can happily say that doing so has wet their appetite and they are now searching out more information on their own.
  • brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    i'm voting for snoopy.
    d'oh!!!!!!

    http://www.myspace.com/brain_of_c
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I like Ron Paul. Though I disagree with his libertarian views and statements about "the creator" I'd like to see him take on the CIA and the Fed. If he succeeds, then I'm wrong about American Politics.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Any man that wants to abolish the IRS must be sent down from the gods, and is a sacred blessing to mankind.

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2970734542634536093
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    i like a good bit of what he has to say....but, i feel i personally can not support him b/c of his views on healthcare, business and regulations (like environmental and worker's rights)....i think there was 1 or 2 other things, but those were the big ones...i didn't like that he refused to accept medicare/medicaid in his practice

    i think that view would leave a lot of ppl w/o and not b/c they are layabouts
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Dempublicans and Republocrats

    Fuck me...it's all coming true.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ron Paul (my take)

    Pros
    -for non interventionalist foreign policy
    -wants to get out of the middle east
    - Israel policy would drastically change
    - anti war on drugs
    - pro civil liberties protection
    - against patriot act
    - pro choice
    - slim down wasteful govt programs

    Cons
    - pro free trade polices with little to no regulation
    - anti UHC, medicare/aid
    - anti all of the government programs that I see as needed esp the social ones (education, student loans, welfare, disaster relief etc)
    - gives business the green light to do whatever with no environmental or worker's rights regulations (feel free to correct me...I could be taking him wrong)
    - seems to have a huge isolationist outlook...quite concerned with self interest with no signs of altruism and compassion for unfortunate circumstances.


    All and all...there's no way I could support him, personally. His views on how to handle poverty/the less fortunate, his capitalistic/free trade economics and lack of offering protection to the people and environment from the abuses of business are the exact opposite of my own views.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ^^^ illuminates it quite nicely.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
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