A Letter From Presidential Candidate Dr. Ron Paul

DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
July 17, 2007


What a day and half in northern California! On Friday, my first appointment was at 6:00 am, and my day ended at 11:00 pm. I did radio and tv interviews in San Francisco, followed by a meeting with the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle. The questions were tough but fair: my favorite! Meanwhile, more and more interview requests pour into the campaign. There is a real hunger for our ideas, even in the mainstream media. The message of liberty is popular!

Then I headed for Google, one of America’s great businesses. Some of the young stars who populate that company took me on a tour of a firm that seemed like a university student union. I saw where everyone works, eats, and exercises. Next I did a political YouTube interview with questions submitted from the web. I was told that never had Google, in the entire history of this series, received the sheer number of questions that it had for my interview. People care about freedom.

Then I spent an hour answering questions from Google employees, crowded into a large room with overflow rooms overflowing too. Next was fascinating briefing from some of the technical heads of Google Earth, Google Maps, Google Apps, and other extraordinary innovations. Then there was a press conference for the media gathered in a company courtyard, and then a fundraising reception that a group of Google employees had organized off-site. In the evening there was another successful fundraiser.

Saturday morning was the Silicon Valley Meetup in a park right next to Google. A huge and enthusiastic crowd was there to hear about our ideas, and the diversity was astounding. There were bikers in leather and hippies, young parents and grandparents, high-tech workers and business owners, and so many young Americans.

I talked about all our ideas: marching out of Iraq just as we marched in; no more meddling in the Middle East; bringing the troops home, from hundreds of expensive bases all over the world, so that we could have the money we need for the transition to freedom in social programs, and to abolish the personal income tax and the IRS. They are not compatible with a free society.

In a Ron Paul administration, we would also repeal the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act, restore habeas corpus and stop the spying on Americans. No more eavesdropping on our emails and bank accounts, our phone calls, home and businesses. No national ID -- just the bracing freedom of the Constitution.

We must have sound money, and not a giant counterfeiting machine called the Federal Reserve that causes recessions and inflation. We must have private property rights, with no pollution or other attacks on property. We should enforce the Second Amendment, and all the Bill of Rights. We can have privacy for us, not secrecy for a corrupt bureaucracy.

It is all within our grasp, the restoration of the republic and our sovereignty—no UN, no North American Union, no Nafta, no WTO, no World Bank, no IMF. Just federalism, free enterprise, peace, prosperity, and the kind of future we all want for our families, ourselves, and our fellow Americans.

The dream can be a reality. You can help make it so. Please: make your most generous donation to this effort for America’s future (https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/). Instead of wars and inflation and spying and poverty, we can have peace and freedom and the blessings for our children and grandchildren of doing better than we have, of secure retirements and childhoods. No more theft -- of our savings or our liberty.

Please -- give to this campaign, for all our futures (https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/).

Sincerely,

Ron
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  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Somebody with money please donate! I wish I had money but I don't! I bought a t-shirt!

    Actually I think I might donate $20. If I donate, then everyone should because I am Baroque!
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  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Somebody with money please donate! I wish I had money but I don't! I bought a t-shirt!

    Actually I think I might donate $20. If I donate, then everyone should because I am Baroque!

    Given he will never be elected or even a republican candidate don't you feel it's a waste of money? Aren't you afraid the money you'll give will not change anything to the election script everyone already seems to know?
  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    I have a question for all the Ron Paul supporters... Paul wants to eliminate the federal income tax and the IRS. What do you believe the impact of that will be, and if there is no federal income tax, where will the government get the money to provide essential services?
    "If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
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  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    godpt3 wrote:
    I have a question for all the Ron Paul supporters... Paul wants to eliminate the federal income tax and the IRS. What do you believe the impact of that will be, and if there is no federal income tax, where will the government get the money to provide essential services?
    The elimination of the IRS is in conjunction with reducing the size & scope of the Federal Government.
    In addition, the end to our overseas adventures in Iraq should free up a couple bucks.
    Of course, Congress will need to go along with much of this, so immediate change is unlikely even if Paul were to win.
  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    1970RR wrote:
    The elimination of the IRS is in conjunction with reducing the size & scope of the Federal Government.

    Yeah, but you have to admit, there are some things where having a centralized agency is pretty essential, such as the Departments of Energy and Agriculture. If there isn't any tax revenue coming in, how are the feds going to ensure the safety of all the stored nuclear waste? Do you really expect the citizens of Nevada to pay for the storage of the NATION's nuclear waste?
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  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    godpt3 wrote:
    Yeah, but you have to admit, there are some things where having a centralized agency is pretty essential, such as the Departments of Energy and Agriculture. If there isn't any tax revenue coming in, how are the feds going to ensure the safety of all the stored nuclear waste? Do you really expect the citizens of Nevada to pay for the storage of the NATION's nuclear waste?
    Certainly there are some parts of the Federal Government that are worth keeping. But clearly the bloated system we know today is not the best scenario. Funding the essential parts of government can be achieved without an income tax. Sales tax, value added tax & tariffs are all methods of obtaining the funding needed.
    The problem he has w/ the income tax is the theory that the Feds own your entire income and determine what percentage you get to keep.

    And during a Paul presidency without a Dept of Energy, I am sure that the citizens of Nevada could charge any user of the facility located in their state an appropriate fee to offset costs and potential liablity.
  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    1970RR wrote:
    Funding the essential parts of government can be achieved without an income tax. Sales tax, value added tax & tariffs are all methods of obtaining the funding needed.

    Yeah, but by their very nature, sales taxes are regressive in nature and disproportionately impact poor people.
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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    1970RR wrote:
    And during a Paul presidency without a Dept of Energy, I am sure that the citizens of Nevada could charge any user of the facility located in their state an appropriate fee to offset costs and potential liablity.

    The material is already in place, now we're just paying for the upkeep and storage. Is Nevada going to send a bill to the feds?
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  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    godpt3 wrote:
    Yeah, but by their very nature, sales taxes are regressive in nature and disproportionately impact poor people.
    I have no doubt that Congress can find a way to minimize the disproportionate impact of any tax.
  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    1970RR wrote:
    I have no doubt that Congress can find a way to minimize the disproportionate impact of any tax.

    not without re-creating the bureaucracy you just eliminated. You'd have to weigh the sales tax based on income and other factors, and then determine whether basic essential items (food, clothing, shelter, etc.) should be exempted.

    A national income tax is the fairest form of taxation you're going to find.
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  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    godpt3 wrote:
    The material is already in place, now we're just paying for the upkeep and storage. Is Nevada going to send a bill to the feds?
    For exisiting waste - why not? And all new waste is billed directly to the customer.
    It is my understanding that the Feds have many contracts where the vendor bills for services rendered - so its not that odd a concept.
  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    godpt3 wrote:
    not without re-creating the bureaucracy you just eliminated. You'd have to weigh the sales tax based on income and other factors, and then determine whether basic essential items (food, clothing, shelter, etc.) should be exempted.

    A national income tax is the fairest form of taxation you're going to find.
    If you are a status quo kind of person I would suggest that you vote for one of the other candidates then.
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    godpt3 wrote:
    Yeah, but you have to admit, there are some things where having a centralized agency is pretty essential, such as the Departments of Energy and Agriculture. If there isn't any tax revenue coming in, how are the feds going to ensure the safety of all the stored nuclear waste? Do you really expect the citizens of Nevada to pay for the storage of the NATION's nuclear waste?

    I believe most libertarians feel that the services that the gov't provides should be privatized, with the exception of national defense. Most also are against any kind of social programs.
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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    baraka wrote:
    I believe most libertarians feel that the services that the gov't provides should be privatized, with the exception of national defense. Most also are against any kind of social programs.

    Those who usually favor privatization fail to take into account simple human greed. Just look at how successful privatized health care and health insurance have been. And if you want to privatize the FDA and USDA with all their regulatory powers, pretty soon America's food safety will be equivalent to China's. So if you like drinking anti-freeze, then go right ahead.
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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    privatization will also disrupt interstate commerce
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  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    godpt3 wrote:
    Those who usually favor privatization fail to take into account simple human greed. Just look at how successful privatized health care and health insurance have been. And if you want to privatize the FDA and USDA with all their regulatory powers, pretty soon America's food safety will be equivalent to China's. So if you like drinking anti-freeze, then go right ahead.
    Privitization = drinking anti-freeze. Do you take fries with that steaming bowl of hyperbole?
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    godpt3 wrote:
    I have a question for all the Ron Paul supporters... Paul wants to eliminate the federal income tax and the IRS. What do you believe the impact of that will be, and if there is no federal income tax, where will the government get the money to provide essential services?


    he means replacing the income tax with a better system, he's not eliminating taxation. It also sounds like in the short run he wants to fund current social programs and modify them so they work more effectively for people. So he's not really talking about dropping government revenue. He's talking about efficiency.


    The fact of the matter here is that you have this guy who is clearly a moderate inbetween nonsensical left and right ideas.

    Privitizing everything may be impractical, but so is socializing everything because when that happens you simply shift the power out of the hands of the corporations and back into the hands of the few politicians inviting the same greed, theft, inefficency. Everybody is in bed with everyone else. Yes you have lots of services, but you have very few choices. Capitalism may have flaws and while you can fail miserably, you can also succede mightily. There has to be a good efficient balance of public and private. So far Europe has done a better job of this than we have but I feel there are better taxation systems as well.
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  • Lets also remember that when ole RP talks about eliminating the INCOME TAX he is talking about doing so in conjunction with ELIMINATING THE FEDERAL RESERVE ...
    the quazi-private consortium of international bankers that CHARGES THE U.S GOVERNMENT PRIME RATE INTEREST JUST TO PRINT OUR MONEY.

    I have yet to hear him speak on the challenges and reality of accomplishing this gargantuan feat (remember you are basicaly trying to eliminate a global mafia that owns god knows what unholy portion of the TOTAL WEALTH of the world) ...

    but along with eliminating the federal reserve, i would have to imagine there would be a fight to at least REDUCE the deficit owed by the federal government through negotiation and legal action ... that is a NINE TRILLION dollar debt. ( http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ )

    If we are eliminating the Fed. Reserve on the grounds that it is unconstitutional ... i would HAVE to imagine an argument along side of it which says that debt was unconstitutionaly imposed ...

    of course, the bankers would probably try to CRASH our economy in retaliation.

    It's scary shit, really.

    i REALLY want to hear RP talk about this in depth!

    And he mentioned in his google interview something about not going back to "THE" gold standard but a "NEW" gold standard ?

    Hmm ...

    problem is, after having watched "The Money Masters: History Of The Federal Reserve" ( http://video.google.com/url?docid=7757684583209015812&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=history%2Bfederal%2Breserve&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D7757684583209015812&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D7757684583209015812%26q%3Dhistory%2Bfederal%2Breserve%26total%3D163%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H238EJ2ehGkRstbB0ZIsU_LBZJ2OIQ )the problem with the gold standard is clear ... THE INTERNATIONAL BANKERS STOLE ALL OF OUR GOLD ! ! !
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