Does Pearl Jam Pay Income Tax? Do You? Should You? READ THIS!

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Local attorney acquitted on federal income tax charges
Cryer stopped filing income taxes more than 10 years ago
July 13, 2007
By Loresha Wilson
ljwilson@gannett.com
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070713/NEWS03/707130321/1002/NEWS


A Shreveport attorney who has challenged the government for years on the legality of filing federal income taxes has been acquitted on charges he failed to file returns.

A federal jury unanimously found Tommy Cryer not guilty this week on two misdemeanor counts of failure to file.


And according to Cryer, the prosecution dismissed two felony charges of tax evasion prior to trial.

Attempts by The Times on Thursday to reach U.S. Attorney Donald Washington or Bill Flanagan, first assistant U.S. attorney, were not successful. Calls made to the two were not immediately returned.

"The court could not find a law that makes me liable or makes my revenues taxable," Cryer said. "The Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot impose an income tax on anything but the profits and gains. When you work for someone you give your service and labor in exchange for money, so everything you make is not profit or gain. You put something into it."

Cryer was indicted last year on two counts of tax evasion. The indictment alleged he evaded payment of $73,000 in income tax to the Internal Revenue Service during 2000 and 2001.

Cryer created a trust listing himself as the trustee, and received payments of dividends, interest and stock income to that trust, according to the indictment. He also was accused of concealing his receipt of the sources of income from the IRS by failing to file a tax return on behalf of that trust.

"I determined that my personal earnings were not 100 percent profits, some were income," Cryer said. "I refuse to file, I refuse to pay unless they can show me I have a lawful reason to pay."

"What I earned was my own personal labor. I am giving something in exchange. I'm giving my property and I don't belong to anyone else."

Cryer says he stopped filing returns more than 10 years ago after he investigated claims that income tax was a sham. He contends the law doesn't actually tax personal earning.


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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    ill just refer the feds to this thread the next time i forget to pay my taxes :D ... that really is interesting tho... i wonder how many people will stop paying after reading that... i know id rather not go through all the legal shit that would follow
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  • Boston MABoston MA Posts: 207
    Many entertainers like U2 take it all offshore and into different companies. If you run a business, know the laws, and want to do it, you don't have to pay any real taxes most of the time. Us the workers are getting shafted, look into the whole PRIVATED OWNED, WITH NO RESERVES, THE US FEDERAL RESERVE, It's a privately owned corporation, protected by government that owns our money supply. It's a ponzi scheme, the whole thing.
  • shell bellshell bell Posts: 337
    that's why you start up a tax shelter,or an off shore account in a place,oh say like the Grand Caymens.
    when you get confused just listen to the music play........

    "You damn well can't lick the system,but you can sure give it a good fondeling."-sleazy estate man(Hugh Laurie on A bit of Fry and Laurie)

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  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    this is horse shit; stupid attorneys. This is why all lawyers should be shot. We should all pay taxes so that we can have schools and roads, etc. And because of liberals we all have to pay for poor people (and those that refuse to work and illegal aliens') to eat and live and do whatever they want without working. This is why Hollywood elites and the rich send there money off shores and into untaxable accounts and then spout liberal mumbo jumbo and tell us we should give our money and federal handouts to everyone: they have tons of money and aren't paying taxes so they think we should give. Sadly, although I love them dearly, PJ falls into this camp. Do it people. Stop paying taxes and see where that gets us.
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  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    this is horse shit; stupid attorneys. This is why all lawyers should be shot. We should all pay taxes so that we can have schools and roads, etc. And because of liberals we all have to pay for poor people (and those that refuse to work and illegal aliens') to eat and live and do whatever they want without working. This is why Hollywood elites and the rich send there money off shores and into untaxable accounts and then spout liberal mumbo jumbo and tell us we should give our money and federal handouts to everyone: they have tons of money and aren't paying taxes so they think we should give. Sadly, although I love them dearly, PJ falls into this camp. Do it people. Stop paying taxes and see where that gets us.

    well

    this is kinda wrong...sorry your viewpoint seems angry to me

    if you choose look at it like this then one could say because of conservative fearmongers we spend way more tax money for bombs and tanks and men in Iraq which we'll have to rebuild costing taxpayers even more.
    Don't blame it on the poor my friend...you might be one someday
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  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    well

    this is kinda wrong...sorry your viewpoint seems angry to me

    if you choose look at it like this then one could say because of conservative fearmongers we spend way more tax money for bombs and tanks and men in Iraq which we'll have to rebuild costing taxpayers even more.
    Don't blame it on the poor my friend...you might be one someday

    Maybe I will be poor someday, and actually kind of am now. However, I work hard and have never taken a hand out from the government and never will. You labeling conservatives fearmongers is completely false and just propaganda to try to get across a fallacious point. My viewpoint is not angry it is realistic. Not paying taxes is stupid considering how much money it takes to run this bureaucratic government. Liberals want big government and control of everything we do (although they always taught free speech even know they don't want you to say anything they disagree with). This lawyer needs to pay what he owes. Under his argument nobody would have to pay taxes and there would be chaos. Which may be nice so that people who take so much might actually have to get off of their ass and work.
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  • Boston MABoston MA Posts: 207
    I'm not going to stop paying taxes but damn right I wish I could. The money we pay in income tax goes to a private corporation called the federal reserve. They offer our country nothing of value that we can't do ourselves. They monopolize our money supply. Roads and things like that are paid from gas and other corporate taxes. Have you seen the federal taxes they take on your cell phone bills? End the federal reserve's monopoly and end taxes on workers just trying to afford tickets to go see Pearl Jam! The corporate millionaires it is their choice to pay taxes on their gain. Not so for us little people(the workers), that's wrong, especially when the whole game is owned by a private cartel of banks called the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM. A cartel that isn't federal, it's private and it has no reserves. They borrowed the money from our SS and medicare and the babyboomers coming to retirement with escalating care costs, a dropping/plummeting US dollar, what do you think is going to happen. Great depression, $10,000 for a burger..
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    this is horse shit; stupid attorneys. This is why all lawyers should be shot. We should all pay taxes so that we can have schools and roads, etc. And because of liberals we all have to pay for poor people (and those that refuse to work and illegal aliens') to eat and live and do whatever they want without working. This is why Hollywood elites and the rich send there money off shores and into untaxable accounts and then spout liberal mumbo jumbo and tell us we should give our money and federal handouts to everyone: they have tons of money and aren't paying taxes so they think we should give. Sadly, although I love them dearly, PJ falls into this camp. Do it people. Stop paying taxes and see where that gets us.


    wahhhhhhhh mexicans is takin my jobz! oh noes!@!
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Maybe I will be poor someday, and actually kind of am now. However, I work hard and have never taken a hand out from the government and never will. You labeling conservatives fearmongers is completely false and just propaganda to try to get across a fallacious point. My viewpoint is not angry it is realistic. Not paying taxes is stupid considering how much money it takes to run this bureaucratic government. Liberals want big government and control of everything we do (although they always taught free speech even know they don't want you to say anything they disagree with). This lawyer needs to pay what he owes. Under his argument nobody would have to pay taxes and there would be chaos. Which may be nice so that people who take so much might actually have to get off of their ass and work.

    If you are poor and hungry and have children you will LIE, STEAL, CHEAT, DECEIVE and take all the HANDOUTS you can get to feed your babies NEVER say NEVER.

    I guess I'm changing the tone of the thread, Taxes are a necessary evil, but it always bothers me that shallow minds want to blame the poor unemployed and handicapped when the CEO of General Electric makes 350 million a year and can hide away that money from taxes as easily as the Hollywood Elite. The CEO of the major corporations make alot more than the folk in Movie Land.
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  • sgossard3 wrote:
    ill just refer the feds to this thread the next time i forget to pay my taxes :D ... that really is interesting tho... i wonder how many people will stop paying after reading that... i know id rather not go through all the legal shit that would follow

    The point is to wake people up to the scam that is Personal Income Tax.

    Please Watch:

    Tom Cryer on Federal Income Tasx (This is the man who just BEAT THE TAX!)
    Four Videos, starting "Federal Income Tax: Segement 1"
    http://video.google.com/url?docid=-1681881378994921065&esrc=sr2&ev=v&q=tom%2Bcryer%2Btax&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6KjBy_qp4Zc&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1681881378994921065%26q%3Dtom%2Bcryer%2Btax%26total%3D9%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D1&usg=AL29H23xfcNbJr90Ckp8cIlFKkmVMbMaNA

    America: From Freedom To Fascism (by Aaron Russo)
    http://video.google.com/url?docid=-1656880303867390173&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=freedom%2Bfascism&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1656880303867390173&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1656880303867390173%26q%3Dfreedom%2Bfascism%26total%3D1116%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H20bHMtJkK0nzTikCZKBByBsEqTuig

    If you want to be scared shitless, go to
    http://www.Zeitgeistmovie.com

    WATCH THE IRS COMMISIONER DODGE THE QUESTION:
    http://video.google.com/url?docid=-1623838328974046647&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=irs%2Bcommissioner&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6Xb3pKzWikk&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1623838328974046647%26q%3Dirs%2Bcommissioner%26total%3D33%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H23fSz1W0S5PGSAV3IcssSTb6BzBGQ

    [ Note, the deputy commsioner (the woman) refers to THIS document: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf ] ... she NEVER specificaly mentions INCOME tax when saying "numerous court cases give us the power to tax" ... WHAT TAX, lady? INCOME Tax? FUCK NO. Notice the document linked has NO AUTHOR, DATE, CONTROL NUMBER, STAMP, SEAL, OFFICAL MARK, SIGNATURE ...

    also,
    read here:
    http://givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Update2005-01-26.htm

    Notice that the givemeliberty people were told that the ABOVE IRS DOCUMENT was the response they were issued (it is NOW marked 2006, which indicates it has since been updated, but it still is the same pile of BS) ... hey ... JUST TAKE THE FIRST CLAIM & LAW as an example of the bullshit ... the document says:

    from : http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf
    A. The Voluntary Nature of the Federal Income Tax System
    1. Contention: The filing of a tax return is voluntary.
    Some assert that they are not required to file federal tax returns because
    the filing of a tax return is voluntary. Proponents point to the fact that the
    IRS itself tells taxpayers in the Form 1040 instruction book that the tax
    system is voluntary. Additionally, the Supreme Court’s opinion in Flora v.
    United States, 362 U.S. 145, 176 (1960), is often quoted for the
    proposition that "[o]ur system of taxation is based upon voluntary
    assessment and payment, not upon distraint."

    The Law: The word “voluntary,” as used in Flora and in IRS publications,
    refers to our system of allowing taxpayers to determine the correct amount
    of tax and complete the appropriate returns, rather than have the
    government determine tax for them. The requirement to file an income tax
    return is not voluntary and is clearly set forth in sections 6011(a), 6012(a),
    et seq., and 6072(a). See also Treas. Reg. § 1.6011-1(a).
    notice this ... The truth is, there are ONLY TWO SECTIONS of US Code which make you "liable" to FILE a return ... but NOT REALLY

    HERE:
    ( taken from: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=26&sec=6011 )

    "When required by regulations prescribed by the Secretary any
    person made liable for any tax
    imposed by this title, or with
    respect to the collection thereof, shall make a return or statement"

    Notice that Sec 6011 says "WHEN REQUIRED"
    Ok. So what section makes me REQUIRED?
    Oh ... is it Section 6012?
    Hmm ...

    Well, again, according to the findlaw page for 6012, we have:
    "Returns with respect to income taxes under subtitle A shall be
    made by the following:"

    Hmm. That's funny ... so we only have to file WHEN REQUIRED, and then those that are told to file are only told that they "SHALL" file, not that they "shall be REQUIRED to file" ...

    Irwin Schiff has spent over THIRTEEN years in jail for standing on his conviction that the IRS is a sham ... here is his 300 page plus book which will describe to you this sham ...

    Irwin Schiff's Book:
    http://www.paynoincometax.com/federalmafia.htm
    OR direct PDF link:
    http://www.paynoincometax.com/pdf/federal_mafia.pdf

    GO TO PAGE 55 ... read what Irwin has to say about Section 2012 and the word "SHALL" ... he sites MULTIPLE SUPREME COURT and FEDERAL COURT cases that rule that the word "SHALL" will be "CONSTRUED AS 'MAY' " UNLESS A CONTRARY CONTENTION IS MANIFEST" among other quotes that say essentially the same ...

    SO BASICALY
    We MAY file a return IF REQUIRED by a law\statute that DOES NOT EXIST!

    OH
    and then read
    here:
    http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTP2/UPDATES/Update2006-06-09.htm

    Well,
    that's it for now people.
    Are you thinking yet, at least?

    I can't seem to find much more than that and a misconstrued 16th ammendment that make me liable to pay tax.

    I am gonna plow through more of that Irwin Schiff book to check some things (if you do so, be sure you recognize that the code was updated in 26 so that some of what he sites by number you have to dig around a bit for, since the code has shifted a bit, but still remains the same in its intent as what he is describing)

    Lets STOP ARGUING IF WE SHOULD PAY TAX and talk about IF WE ARE REQUIRED TO PAY TAX >..

    i can't find ANYTHING!
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  • toronado10toronado10 Posts: 239
    The government takes money out of my check, if I want it back I have to file taxes. so how do you stop them from taking your money out in first place?
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  • toronado10 wrote:
    The government takes money out of my check, if I want it back I have to file taxes. so how do you stop them from taking your money out in first place?

    Good question.
    Unfortunately I haven't come across that answer yet.
    But Irwin Schiff has another book about how to GET YOURSELF OUT OF SOCIAL SECURITY ... i'm sure it's no picnic either, but apparently there IS a way ...

    The only way I can think of to get your money back is to file a false deductions claim but that makes you criminaly liable, i believe.

    Basically you have be in a position where you OWE more than you have currently WITHHELD in order to get this to work for you (if you CAN even get it to work for you) ... thats the BRILLIANT part of the government "scheme" is that YOUR JOB fucks you out of your tax money before you get a chance to argue ...

    hopefully enough people will research this over the next few years as to make some sort of ruckus that gets noticed?

    I'll update if i figure out a way to get it back with OUT incriminating yourself, but i'm doubting it's possible.

    Good SCAM huh !??!
    :(
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  • red mosred mos Posts: 4,953
    toronado10 wrote:
    The government takes money out of my check, if I want it back I have to file taxes. so how do you stop them from taking your money out in first place?
    some Businesses, like in my case a major University, Gave me the option to get all of my money on every pay check; or gave me the option to have some taken out. I choose to have some taken out so the IRS wouldn't come after me about it. This was only a part time job though. Salay jobs may be completely different.
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  • We should all pay taxes so that we can have schools and roads, etc.

    Sir, you are mistaken. Property taxes fund schools, roads are paid for thru gasoline taxes ($.43/gal I believe is the current rate) and tolls.

    Food for thought:

    President's Private Sector Survey On Cost Control
    A Report to The President (Reagan)

    January 15, 1984. Available from the Congressional Research Service.
    The excerpt below can be found on page 12.

    * With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Government contributions to transfer payments.

    * In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their government.


    Thanx Driftin for the post, I actually just read up on the Cryer case thru WhatReallyHappened.com. I've seen A:FTF, The Money Masters, Fiat Empire, haven't yet taken in Zeitgeist.

    Truth be told, my mind still is trying to reject all that I've seen, but at its core, it all really does make sense...
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Everyone should watch Zeitgeist!!!
  • ViggoViggo Posts: 274
    Here in Norway we pay almost 50% just in taxes. If you make a million, you must pay half of it to the state. The taxes increases with your fortune.
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  • Boston MABoston MA Posts: 207
    Viggo wrote:
    Here in Norway we pay almost 50% just in taxes. If you make a million, you must pay half of it to the state. The taxes increases with your fortune.
    You have free healthcare and a retirement plan? They took our money for healthcare and retirement at age 67 but they already spent it, so in the USA we have no security blanket, and we still pay...Has the value of the Euro dropped in half over the last five years like the US dollar? Nope..
  • jjmofojjmofo Posts: 47
    Ladies and Gentlemen.. may I introduce you to the 16th amendment to our constitution:

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxvi.html

    Amendment XVI
    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
  • Bird888Bird888 Posts: 99
    As a tax CPa for 25 years (and a PJ fan since 93) I'd like to comment on this post.

    There are hundreds of cases where the taxpayer's lost their cases and had to file and pay back taxes (and usually serve jail time). I haven't seen this case before and would like to see why they won. I bet it was something procedural, like the gov't forgot to file something.

    I am always amazed when someone takes this position that they do not have to pay taxes. Are these people so much SMARTER than everyone else? I doubt it.

    Just in case you think its a good idea, remember that the govt really really will try to make your life miserable. The only reason the current tax system works is because ov voluntary compliance. They do not want everyone in the country to stop filing and paying taxes. So if they catch you, they will try to make an example of you and hit you with jail time and fines. I've known taxpayers who got caught for back taxes and the legal fees and penalties usually are twice or even triple what the original tax would have been.

    So if you are going to try this, have enough saved to pay your attorney,,,

    If anyone needs any tax advice catch me between acts at lollapolooza...
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  • Boston, MA wrote:
    You have free healthcare and a retirement plan? They took our money for healthcare and retirement at age 67 but they already spent it, so in the USA we have no security blanket, and we still pay...Has the value of the Euro dropped in half over the last five years like the US dollar? Nope..

    You all realize that Social Security was ORIGINALLY SCHEMED UP by Otto von Bismarck of Prussia in ORDER to FUND WAR?

    Widely quoted on the internet:
    "He wanted to find a way to con people into believing that they were going to get something from the state, without its actually having to deliver. He asked an actuary how long most people could be expected to live. The answer was 65 years. Bismarck then set the age of eligibility for his social security system at 65, knowing full well that most of the people would have died before they received a dime from the system. In spite of this, the system was wildly popular. "


    YAY SOCIAL SECURITY ! ! !
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  • I'm watching the rest of the Tom Cryer videos right now, and SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME (see thread start post for link!)

    Per Cryer:
    This is THE ONLY SECTION that MAKES ANYONE LIABLE TO PAY:
    http://uscode.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00001461----000-.html

    Every person required to deduct and withhold any tax under this chapter is hereby made liable for such tax and is hereby indemnified against the claims and demands of any person for the amount of any payments made in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

    Now click back up to "Chapter 3" from there:

    Subchapter A—Nonresident Aliens and Foreign Corporations
    Subchapter B—Application of Withholding Provisions

    So Every Person UNDER CHAPTER 3 is required to file ... WHO IS THAT?
    Nonresident Aliens And Foreign Corporations.

    Hmm.
    ?

    Can ANYONE SHOW ME THE LAW?

    And the 16th Ammendment fails to DEFINE "income", but it seems irrelevant if the Tax Code of Title 26 fails to MAKE YOU LIABLE to pay!

    ???
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • and when i say "LIABLE" i mean ... READ THIS:
    http://uscode.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00000001----000-.html

    This is for PERSONAL INCOMES:

    all it says is "a tax is herby IMPOSED"

    but AM I LIABLE TO PAY IT?

    Hmm.

    Apparently not.

    Which must be why the tax is VOLUNTARY!

    AHAH!

    ???

    Where did my tax attorney go?

    Oh wait.
    I know. This isn't very good for your business is it?

    ;)
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  • jjmofojjmofo Posts: 47
    I'm watching the rest of the Tom Cryer videos right now, and SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME (see thread start post for link!)

    Per Cryer:
    This is THE ONLY SECTION that MAKES ANYONE LIABLE TO PAY:
    http://uscode.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00001461----000-.html

    Every person required to deduct and withhold any tax under this chapter is hereby made liable for such tax and is hereby indemnified against the claims and demands of any person for the amount of any payments made in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

    Now click back up to "Chapter 3" from there:

    Subchapter A—Nonresident Aliens and Foreign Corporations
    Subchapter B—Application of Withholding Provisions

    So Every Person UNDER CHAPTER 3 is required to file ... WHO IS THAT?
    Nonresident Aliens And Foreign Corporations.

    Hmm.
    ?

    Can ANYONE SHOW ME THE LAW?

    And the 16th Ammendment fails to DEFINE "income", but it seems irrelevant if the Tax Code of Title 26 fails to MAKE YOU LIABLE to pay!

    ???

    The Constitution doesn't need to define it. The term income has a universally accepted definition:

    income definition
    n.
    1. The amount of money or its equivalent received during a period of time in exchange for labor or services, from the sale of goods or property, or as profit from financial investments.

    The U.S. Constitution is the highest law in the land and it states that the federal government may tax our incomes. The IRS derives its power from this and therefore no further law is needed.
  • jjmofojjmofo Posts: 47
    Double Post..
  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    Boston, MA wrote:
    You have free healthcare and a retirement plan? They took our money for healthcare and retirement at age 67 but they already spent it, so in the USA we have no security blanket, and we still pay...Has the value of the Euro dropped in half over the last five years like the US dollar? Nope..
    They have free crappy health care and all those that have money come to the USA to get good health care.
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  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    wahhhhhhhh mexicans is takin my jobz! oh noes!@!
    I never said anything about Mexicans taking jobs. They do however take as much from the tax system that they do not put into.
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  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    If you are poor and hungry and have children you will LIE, STEAL, CHEAT, DECEIVE and take all the HANDOUTS you can get to feed your babies NEVER say NEVER.

    I guess I'm changing the tone of the thread, Taxes are a necessary evil, but it always bothers me that shallow minds want to blame the poor unemployed and handicapped when the CEO of General Electric makes 350 million a year and can hide away that money from taxes as easily as the Hollywood Elite. The CEO of the major corporations make alot more than the folk in Movie Land.
    Most of these people are having kids when they should not. If you can't feed em' don't breed em. It's called personal responsibility. If you want to have sex use protection. If you do want kids and can't afford them, then wait.

    I agree about the CEOs and major corporations. They steal a lot, but they don't tell me how to run my life, only they try through their products. It's our own fault for making them super rich by bowing down to consumerism.
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  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    If you are poor and hungry and have children you will LIE, STEAL, CHEAT, DECEIVE and take all the HANDOUTS you can get to feed your babies NEVER say NEVER.

    I guess I'm changing the tone of the thread, Taxes are a necessary evil, but it always bothers me that shallow minds want to blame the poor unemployed and handicapped when the CEO of General Electric makes 350 million a year and can hide away that money from taxes as easily as the Hollywood Elite. The CEO of the major corporations make alot more than the folk in Movie Land.
    I also do not like being called a shallow mind considering I think very hard about this, work hard, and spent 8 years going to college (where I questioned what the 99% of the professors spewed liberal propaganda on a daily basis). I never blamed the poor or handicapped, but they do put a huge drain on the system without putting much back. I know that some people need help and we should be there for them, but there is way too much abuse of the system and I get tired of going to the store and spending my hard earned money on groceries when the person in front of me gets free food through food stamps and doesn't speak English and just got to this country. We can't afford to take care of our own citizens, let alone the rest of this world.
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  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Most of these people are having kids when they should not. If you can't feed em' don't breed em. It's called personal responsibility. If you want to have sex use protection. If you do want kids and can't afford them, then wait.

    I agree about the CEOs and major corporations. They steal a lot, but they don't tell me how to run my life, only they try through their products. It's our own fault for making them super rich by bowing down to consumerism.

    what about families that lose their jobs due to outsourced corporate greed?

    is it their fault they had children when they had a steady job? You sound a little like a Bigot.

    Bad things happen to good people as well so you need to support your fellow man when he's down. I'm not religious or anything but weren't we taught that in bible school
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  • jjmofo wrote:
    Double Post..

    I may or may not agree about "income",
    but tell me where in Title 26 it says i am "LIABLE" to pay this?

    THIS IS A PORTION OF TOMMY CRYERS MEMORANDUM, the CASE HE PLEADED AND WON! (i have verified ALL of this section of his memorandum against the ACTUAL LAW as found in FINDLAW ... HE IS RIGHT. YOU ARE NOT HELD "LIABLE" to pay!)

    THE INCOME TAX LAW DOES NOT "PLAINLY AND CLEARLY LAY" ANY TAX UPON DEFENDANT OR HIS REVENUE
    The Internal Revenue Code does not "Plainly and Clearly Lay" any liability for an income tax on defendant.
    The Income Tax Law, Subtitle A of Title 26, United States Code, imposes a tax on the taxable income of certain individuals in § 1:
    "26 U.S.C. § 1. Tax Imposed.
    "(a) Married individuals filing joint returns and surviving spouses
    "There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of —
    "(1) every married individual (as defined in section 7703) who makes a single return jointly with his spouse under section 6013, and
    "(2) every surviving spouse (as defined in section 2(a)),
    a tax determined in accordance with the following table:
    . . .
    "(b) Heads of households
    "There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of every head of a household (as defined in section 2(b)) a tax determined in accordance with the following table:
    . . .
    "(c) Unmarried individuals (other than surviving spouses and heads
    of households)
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    "There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of every individual (other than a surviving spouse as defined in section 2(a) or the head of a household as defined in section 2(b)) who is not a married individual (as defined in section 7703) a tax determined in accordance with the following table:
    . . .
    "(d) Married individuals filing separate returns
    "There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of every married individual (as defined in section 7703) who does not make a single return jointly with his spouse under section 6013, a tax determined in accordance with the following table: . . ."
    (emphasis added)
    but this section does not designate anyone as liable for the payment of the tax.
    It should be noted at this point that titles and headings, such as "Married individuals and surviving spouses filing joint returns" and "Heads of households" are not part of the law and have absolutely no legal effect. 26 U.S.C. § 7806. Therefore, the actual statute commences with "There is hereby imposed . . ." The imposition of the tax is on taxable income, only, not on any person or entity. In contrast, see 26 U.S.C. § 884, discussed more fully infra, which does impose a tax on an entity.
    Subtitle A does, however, designate partners as liable for the taxes on income of a partnership, but only in their "individual" capacities (26 U.S.C. § 701)
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    while certain partnerships are declared liable for excess recapture of credits (26 U.S.C. 704).
    Foreign corporations are specifically designated as the party liable for payment of the "Branch profits tax" imposed by 26 U.S.C. § 884 (which, incidentally, does impose the tax on "any foreign corporation").
    The only other party that is identified in the income tax law as liable for the payment of any income tax is revealed in 26 U.S.C. § 1461:
    "Sec. 1461. Liability for withheld tax
    "Every person required to deduct and withhold any tax under this chapter is hereby made liable for such tax and is hereby indemnified against the claims and demands of any person for the amount of any payments made in accordance with the provisions of this chapter."
    (emphasis added)
    "This chapter" is "Chapter 3 - Withholding Tax on Nonresident Aliens and Foreign Corporations". Thus the liable party in this instance is anyone withholding tax on nonresident aliens and foreign corporations.
    There are no other references in Subtitle A (the income tax law) to anyone being liable for the tax imposed by § 1 other than those: partners (but only in their "individual" capacity); certain large partnerships in certain excess credit situations;
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    foreign corporations; and those withholding taxes on nonresident aliens and foreign corporations.
    There is only one other party that is identified as being liable for the income tax, but to find that party we have to journey outside the realm of the income tax law to "Subtitle C – Employment Taxes", where we find:
    "Sec. 3403. Liability for tax
    "The employer shall be liable for the payment of the tax required to be deducted and withheld under this chapter ["Subtitle C – Employment Taxes; Chapter 24 – Collection of Income Tax at Source on Wages"], and shall not be liable to any person for the amount of any such payment."
    (emphasis and [bracketed material] added)
    Thus, the only persons being assigned any liability for the income tax imposed by § 1 are those five instances — partners, certain large partnerships, foreign corporations, withholders of taxes on nonresident aliens and foreign corporations and those employers required by Chapter 24 of Subtitle C to withhold taxes on employees.
    The absence, or near absence, of a statutory provision specifying exactly who is liable for a tax imposed is not customary. 26 U.S.C. §§ 2032A and 2056A specifically state who is liable for the Estate Tax; 26 U.S.C. § 3102(b) specifically
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    states who is liable for the FICA tax;: 26 U.S.C. § 3202 specifically states who is liablefor the Railroad Retirement Tax; 26 U.S.C. § 3505 specifically imposes liability for Employment Taxes; 26 U.S.C. §§ 4002 and 4003 specify not only who is primarily liable, but who is secondarily liablefor the Luxury Passenger Automobile Excise Tax. See also: 26 U.S.C. §§ 4051 and 4052 (Heavy Trucks and Trailers Excise Tax); 26 U.S.C. § 4071 (Tire Manufacture Excise Tax); 26 U.S.C. § 4219 (Manufacturers Excise Tax); 26 U.S.C. § 4401 (Tax on Wagers); 26 U.S.C. § 4411 (Wagering Occupational Tax); 26 U.S.C. § 4483 (Vehicle Use Tax); 26 U.S.C. § 4611 (Tax on Petroleum); 26 U.S.C. § 4662 (Tax on Chemicals); 26 U.S.C. § 4972 (Tax on Contributions to Qualified Employer Pension Plans); 26 U.S.C. § 4980B (Excise Tax on Failure to Satisfy Continuation Coverage Requirements of Group Health Plans); 26 U.S.C. § 4980D (Excise Tax on Failure to Meet Certain Group Health Plan Requirements); 26 U.S.C. § 4980F (Excise Tax on Failure of Applicable Plans Reducing Benefit Accruals to Satisfy Notice Requirements); 26 U.S.C. § 5005 (Gallonage Tax on Distilled Spirits); 26 U.S.C. § 5043 (Gallonage Tax on Wines); 26 U.S.C. § 5232 (Storage Tax on Imported Distilled Spirits); 26 U.S.C. § 5364 (Tax on Wine Imported in Bulk); 26 U.S.C. § 5418 (Tax on Beer Imported in Bulk); 26 U.S.C. § 5703 (Excise Tax on
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    Manufacture of Tobacco Products); and 26 U.S.C. § 5751 (Tax on Purchase, Receipt, Possession or Sale of Tobacco Products), to name a few.
    Considering the "standard in the drafting of taxation laws industry", particularly in view of the requirement of strict construction, the limitation of liability to those five instances cannot be assumed to have been an oversight. In this instance the only ones liable are those specifically named as liable, just as in any other tax provision.
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