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DriftingByTheStorm

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Local attorney acquitted on federal income tax charges
Cryer stopped filing income taxes more than 10 years ago
July 13, 2007
By Loresha Wilson
ljwilson@gannett.com
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070713/NEWS03/707130321/1002/NEWS


A Shreveport attorney who has challenged the government for years on the legality of filing federal income taxes has been acquitted on charges he failed to file returns.

A federal jury unanimously found Tommy Cryer not guilty this week on two misdemeanor counts of failure to file.


And according to Cryer, the prosecution dismissed two felony charges of tax evasion prior to trial.

Attempts by The Times on Thursday to reach U.S. Attorney Donald Washington or Bill Flanagan, first assistant U.S. attorney, were not successful. Calls made to the two were not immediately returned.

"The court could not find a law that makes me liable or makes my revenues taxable," Cryer said. "The Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot impose an income tax on anything but the profits and gains. When you work for someone you give your service and labor in exchange for money, so everything you make is not profit or gain. You put something into it."

Cryer was indicted last year on two counts of tax evasion. The indictment alleged he evaded payment of $73,000 in income tax to the Internal Revenue Service during 2000 and 2001.

Cryer created a trust listing himself as the trustee, and received payments of dividends, interest and stock income to that trust, according to the indictment. He also was accused of concealing his receipt of the sources of income from the IRS by failing to file a tax return on behalf of that trust.

"I determined that my personal earnings were not 100 percent profits, some were income," Cryer said. "I refuse to file, I refuse to pay unless they can show me I have a lawful reason to pay."

"What I earned was my own personal labor. I am giving something in exchange. I'm giving my property and I don't belong to anyone else."

Cryer says he stopped filing returns more than 10 years ago after he investigated claims that income tax was a sham. He contends the law doesn't actually tax personal earning.


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Kilgore_Trout

ill just refer the feds to this thread the next time i forget to pay my taxes ... that really is interesting tho... i wonder how many people will stop paying after reading that... i know id rather not go through all the legal shit that would follow

Boston MA

Many entertainers like U2 take it all offshore and into different companies. If you run a business, know the laws, and want to do it, you don't have to pay any real taxes most of the time. Us the workers are getting shafted, look into the whole PRIVATED OWNED, WITH NO RESERVES, THE US FEDERAL RESERVE, It's a privately owned corporation, protected by government that owns our money supply. It's a ponzi scheme, the whole thing.

shell bell

that's why you start up a tax shelter,or an off shore account in a place,oh say like the Grand Caymens.

HermanBloom

this is horse shit; stupid attorneys. This is why all lawyers should be shot. We should all pay taxes so that we can have schools and roads, etc. And because of liberals we all have to pay for poor people (and those that refuse to work and illegal aliens') to eat and live and do whatever they want without working. This is why Hollywood elites and the rich send there money off shores and into untaxable accounts and then spout liberal mumbo jumbo and tell us we should give our money and federal handouts to everyone: they have tons of money and aren't paying taxes so they think we should give. Sadly, although I love them dearly, PJ falls into this camp. Do it people. Stop paying taxes and see where that gets us.

Strangest Tribe

nathanastin wrote:

this is horse shit; stupid attorneys. This is why all lawyers should be shot. We should all pay taxes so that we can have schools and roads, etc. And because of liberals we all have to pay for poor people (and those that refuse to work and illegal aliens') to eat and live and do whatever they want without working. This is why Hollywood elites and the rich send there money off shores and into untaxable accounts and then spout liberal mumbo jumbo and tell us we should give our money and federal handouts to everyone: they have tons of money and aren't paying taxes so they think we should give. Sadly, although I love them dearly, PJ falls into this camp. Do it people. Stop paying taxes and see where that gets us.

well

this is kinda wrong...sorry your viewpoint seems angry to me

if you choose look at it like this then one could say because of conservative fearmongers we spend way more tax money for bombs and tanks and men in Iraq which we'll have to rebuild costing taxpayers even more.
Don't blame it on the poor my friend...you might be one someday

HermanBloom

Strangest Tribe wrote:

well

this is kinda wrong...sorry your viewpoint seems angry to me

if you choose look at it like this then one could say because of conservative fearmongers we spend way more tax money for bombs and tanks and men in Iraq which we'll have to rebuild costing taxpayers even more.
Don't blame it on the poor my friend...you might be one someday

Maybe I will be poor someday, and actually kind of am now. However, I work hard and have never taken a hand out from the government and never will. You labeling conservatives fearmongers is completely false and just propaganda to try to get across a fallacious point. My viewpoint is not angry it is realistic. Not paying taxes is stupid considering how much money it takes to run this bureaucratic government. Liberals want big government and control of everything we do (although they always taught free speech even know they don't want you to say anything they disagree with). This lawyer needs to pay what he owes. Under his argument nobody would have to pay taxes and there would be chaos. Which may be nice so that people who take so much might actually have to get off of their ass and work.

Boston MA

I'm not going to stop paying taxes but damn right I wish I could. The money we pay in income tax goes to a private corporation called the federal reserve. They offer our country nothing of value that we can't do ourselves. They monopolize our money supply. Roads and things like that are paid from gas and other corporate taxes. Have you seen the federal taxes they take on your cell phone bills? End the federal reserve's monopoly and end taxes on workers just trying to afford tickets to go see Pearl Jam! The corporate millionaires it is their choice to pay taxes on their gain. Not so for us little people(the workers), that's wrong, especially when the whole game is owned by a private cartel of banks called the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM. A cartel that isn't federal, it's private and it has no reserves. They borrowed the money from our SS and medicare and the babyboomers coming to retirement with escalating care costs, a dropping/plummeting US dollar, what do you think is going to happen. Great depression, $10,000 for a burger..

Anon

nathanastin wrote:

this is horse shit; stupid attorneys. This is why all lawyers should be shot. We should all pay taxes so that we can have schools and roads, etc. And because of liberals we all have to pay for poor people (and those that refuse to work and illegal aliens') to eat and live and do whatever they want without working. This is why Hollywood elites and the rich send there money off shores and into untaxable accounts and then spout liberal mumbo jumbo and tell us we should give our money and federal handouts to everyone: they have tons of money and aren't paying taxes so they think we should give. Sadly, although I love them dearly, PJ falls into this camp. Do it people. Stop paying taxes and see where that gets us.

wahhhhhhhh mexicans is takin my jobz! oh noes!@!

Strangest Tribe

nathanastin wrote:

Maybe I will be poor someday, and actually kind of am now. However, I work hard and have never taken a hand out from the government and never will. You labeling conservatives fearmongers is completely false and just propaganda to try to get across a fallacious point. My viewpoint is not angry it is realistic. Not paying taxes is stupid considering how much money it takes to run this bureaucratic government. Liberals want big government and control of everything we do (although they always taught free speech even know they don't want you to say anything they disagree with). This lawyer needs to pay what he owes. Under his argument nobody would have to pay taxes and there would be chaos. Which may be nice so that people who take so much might actually have to get off of their ass and work.

If you are poor and hungry and have children you will LIE, STEAL, CHEAT, DECEIVE and take all the HANDOUTS you can get to feed your babies NEVER say NEVER.

I guess I'm changing the tone of the thread, Taxes are a necessary evil, but it always bothers me that shallow minds want to blame the poor unemployed and handicapped when the CEO of General Electric makes 350 million a year and can hide away that money from taxes as easily as the Hollywood Elite. The CEO of the major corporations make alot more than the folk in Movie Land.

DriftingByTheStorm

sgossard3 wrote:

ill just refer the feds to this thread the next time i forget to pay my taxes ... that really is interesting tho... i wonder how many people will stop paying after reading that... i know id rather not go through all the legal shit that would follow

The point is to wake people up to the scam that is Personal Income Tax.

Please Watch:

Tom Cryer on Federal Income Tasx (This is the man who just BEAT THE TAX!)
Four Videos, starting "Federal Income Tax: Segement 1"
http://video.google.com/url?docid=-1681881378994921065&esrc=sr2&ev=v&q=tom%2Bcryer%2Btax&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6KjBy_qp4Zc&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1681881378994921065%26q%3Dtom%2Bcryer%2Btax%26total%3D9%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D1&usg=AL29H23xfcNbJr90Ckp8cIlFKkmVMbMaNA

America: From Freedom To Fascism (by Aaron Russo)
http://video.google.com/url?docid=-1656880303867390173&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=freedom%2Bfascism&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1656880303867390173&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1656880303867390173%26q%3Dfreedom%2Bfascism%26total%3D1116%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H20bHMtJkK0nzTikCZKBByBsEqTuig

If you want to be scared shitless, go to
http://www.Zeitgeistmovie.com

WATCH THE IRS COMMISIONER DODGE THE QUESTION:
http://video.google.com/url?docid=-1623838328974046647&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=irs%2Bcommissioner&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6Xb3pKzWikk&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1623838328974046647%26q%3Dirs%2Bcommissioner%26total%3D33%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H23fSz1W0S5PGSAV3IcssSTb6BzBGQ

[ Note, the deputy commsioner (the woman) refers to THIS document: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf ] ... she NEVER specificaly mentions INCOME tax when saying "numerous court cases give us the power to tax" ... WHAT TAX, lady? INCOME Tax? FUCK NO. Notice the document linked has NO AUTHOR, DATE, CONTROL NUMBER, STAMP, SEAL, OFFICAL MARK, SIGNATURE ...

also,
read here:
http://givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Update2005-01-26.htm

Notice that the givemeliberty people were told that the ABOVE IRS DOCUMENT was the response they were issued (it is NOW marked 2006, which indicates it has since been updated, but it still is the same pile of BS) ... hey ... JUST TAKE THE FIRST CLAIM & LAW as an example of the bullshit ... the document says:

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from : http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf
A. The Voluntary Nature of the Federal Income Tax System
1. Contention: The filing of a tax return is voluntary.
Some assert that they are not required to file federal tax returns because
the filing of a tax return is voluntary. Proponents point to the fact that the
IRS itself tells taxpayers in the Form 1040 instruction book that the tax
system is voluntary. Additionally, the Supreme Court’s opinion in Flora v.
United States, 362 U.S. 145, 176 (1960), is often quoted for the
proposition that "[o]ur system of taxation is based upon voluntary
assessment and payment, not upon distraint."

The Law: The word “voluntary,” as used in Flora and in IRS publications,
refers to our system of allowing taxpayers to determine the correct amount
of tax and complete the appropriate returns, rather than have the
government determine tax for them. The requirement to file an income tax
return is not voluntary and is clearly set forth in sections 6011(a), 6012(a),
et seq., and 6072(a). See also Treas. Reg. § 1.6011-1(a).

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notice this ... The truth is, there are ONLY TWO SECTIONS of US Code which make you "liable" to FILE a return ... but NOT REALLY

HERE:
( taken from: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=26&sec=6011 )

"When required by regulations prescribed by the Secretary any
person made liable for any tax imposed by this title, or with
respect to the collection thereof, shall make a return or statement"

Notice that Sec 6011 says "WHEN REQUIRED"
Ok. So what section makes me REQUIRED?
Oh ... is it Section 6012?
Hmm ...

Well, again, according to the findlaw page for 6012, we have:
"Returns with respect to income taxes under subtitle A shall be
made by the following:"

Hmm. That's funny ... so we only have to file WHEN REQUIRED, and then those that are told to file are only told that they "SHALL" file, not that they "shall be REQUIRED to file" ...

Irwin Schiff has spent over THIRTEEN years in jail for standing on his conviction that the IRS is a sham ... here is his 300 page plus book which will describe to you this sham ...

Irwin Schiff's Book:
http://www.paynoincometax.com/federalmafia.htm
OR direct PDF link:
http://www.paynoincometax.com/pdf/federal_mafia.pdf

GO TO PAGE 55 ... read what Irwin has to say about Section 2012 and the word "SHALL" ... he sites MULTIPLE SUPREME COURT and FEDERAL COURT cases that rule that the word "SHALL" will be "CONSTRUED AS 'MAY' " UNLESS A CONTRARY CONTENTION IS MANIFEST" among other quotes that say essentially the same ...

SO BASICALY
We MAY file a return IF REQUIRED by a law\statute that DOES NOT EXIST!

OH
and then read
here:
http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTP2/UPDATES/Update2006-06-09.htm

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Well,
that's it for now people.
Are you thinking yet, at least?

I can't seem to find much more than that and a misconstrued 16th ammendment that make me liable to pay tax.

I am gonna plow through more of that Irwin Schiff book to check some things (if you do so, be sure you recognize that the code was updated in 26 so that some of what he sites by number you have to dig around a bit for, since the code has shifted a bit, but still remains the same in its intent as what he is describing)

Lets STOP ARGUING IF WE SHOULD PAY TAX and talk about IF WE ARE REQUIRED TO PAY TAX >..

i can't find ANYTHING!

toronado10

The government takes money out of my check, if I want it back I have to file taxes. so how do you stop them from taking your money out in first place?

DriftingByTheStorm

toronado10 wrote:

The government takes money out of my check, if I want it back I have to file taxes. so how do you stop them from taking your money out in first place?

Good question.
Unfortunately I haven't come across that answer yet.
But Irwin Schiff has another book about how to GET YOURSELF OUT OF SOCIAL SECURITY ... i'm sure it's no picnic either, but apparently there IS a way ...

The only way I can think of to get your money back is to file a false deductions claim but that makes you criminaly liable, i believe.

Basically you have be in a position where you OWE more than you have currently WITHHELD in order to get this to work for you (if you CAN even get it to work for you) ... thats the BRILLIANT part of the government "scheme" is that YOUR JOB fucks you out of your tax money before you get a chance to argue ...

hopefully enough people will research this over the next few years as to make some sort of ruckus that gets noticed?

I'll update if i figure out a way to get it back with OUT incriminating yourself, but i'm doubting it's possible.

Good SCAM huh !??!
:(

red mos

toronado10 wrote:

The government takes money out of my check, if I want it back I have to file taxes. so how do you stop them from taking your money out in first place?

some Businesses, like in my case a major University, Gave me the option to get all of my money on every pay check; or gave me the option to have some taken out. I choose to have some taken out so the IRS wouldn't come after me about it. This was only a part time job though. Salay jobs may be completely different.

edvedder3779

nathanastin wrote:

We should all pay taxes so that we can have schools and roads, etc.

Sir, you are mistaken. Property taxes fund schools, roads are paid for thru gasoline taxes ($.43/gal I believe is the current rate) and tolls.

Food for thought:

President's Private Sector Survey On Cost Control
A Report to The President (Reagan)

January 15, 1984. Available from the Congressional Research Service.
The excerpt below can be found on page 12.

* With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Government contributions to transfer payments.

* In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their government.


Thanx Driftin for the post, I actually just read up on the Cryer case thru WhatReallyHappened.com. I've seen A:FTF, The Money Masters, Fiat Empire, haven't yet taken in Zeitgeist.

Truth be told, my mind still is trying to reject all that I've seen, but at its core, it all really does make sense...

Anon

Everyone should watch Zeitgeist!!!

Viggo

Here in Norway we pay almost 50% just in taxes. If you make a million, you must pay half of it to the state. The taxes increases with your fortune.

Boston MA

Viggo wrote:

Here in Norway we pay almost 50% just in taxes. If you make a million, you must pay half of it to the state. The taxes increases with your fortune.

You have free healthcare and a retirement plan? They took our money for healthcare and retirement at age 67 but they already spent it, so in the USA we have no security blanket, and we still pay...Has the value of the Euro dropped in half over the last five years like the US dollar? Nope..

jjmofo

Ladies and Gentlemen.. may I introduce you to the 16th amendment to our constitution:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxvi.html

Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

Bird888

As a tax CPa for 25 years (and a PJ fan since 93) I'd like to comment on this post.

There are hundreds of cases where the taxpayer's lost their cases and had to file and pay back taxes (and usually serve jail time). I haven't seen this case before and would like to see why they won. I bet it was something procedural, like the gov't forgot to file something.

I am always amazed when someone takes this position that they do not have to pay taxes. Are these people so much SMARTER than everyone else? I doubt it.

Just in case you think its a good idea, remember that the govt really really will try to make your life miserable. The only reason the current tax system works is because ov voluntary compliance. They do not want everyone in the country to stop filing and paying taxes. So if they catch you, they will try to make an example of you and hit you with jail time and fines. I've known taxpayers who got caught for back taxes and the legal fees and penalties usually are twice or even triple what the original tax would have been.

So if you are going to try this, have enough saved to pay your attorney,,,

If anyone needs any tax advice catch me between acts at lollapolooza...

DriftingByTheStorm

Boston, MA wrote:

You have free healthcare and a retirement plan? They took our money for healthcare and retirement at age 67 but they already spent it, so in the USA we have no security blanket, and we still pay...Has the value of the Euro dropped in half over the last five years like the US dollar? Nope..

You all realize that Social Security was ORIGINALLY SCHEMED UP by Otto von Bismarck of Prussia in ORDER to FUND WAR?

Widely quoted on the internet:
"He wanted to find a way to con people into believing that they were going to get something from the state, without its actually having to deliver. He asked an actuary how long most people could be expected to live. The answer was 65 years. Bismarck then set the age of eligibility for his social security system at 65, knowing full well that most of the people would have died before they received a dime from the system. In spite of this, the system was wildly popular. "


YAY SOCIAL SECURITY ! ! !