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304 U.S. soldiers ordered killed by Pentagon in Iraq

DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
Ok ok.
i'm taking this down due to inability to confirm at all, and with a Tehranian newspaper as the only source.
But i still feel kinda oogie about it.

apoligies,
-driftingbytheskeptic-
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    notice the source... Tehran (Iran) Times. That is nothing more than a cheap propaganda job.

    There's bullshit... and then there's bullshit.
    "If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
    —Dorothy Parker

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  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    godpt3 wrote:
    notice the source... Tehran (Iran) Times. That is nothing more than a cheap propaganda job.

    There's bullshit... and then there's bullshit.
    That's kinda what I thought too. While I wouldn't doubt for one second that this has happened, I don't believe for one second that a high-up source ever disclosed such happenings to anyone, especially the Tehran Times.
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    godpt3 wrote:
    notice the source... Tehran (Iran) Times. That is nothing more than a cheap propaganda job.

    There's bullshit... and then there's bullshit.

    Yeah. I know the Iranians are an evil evil people. Our government tells us so everyday. Not to be trusted farther than their dead bodies can be flung.

    I don't even know WHO to believe anymore. At this point i'm skeptical of being skeptical!
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    those of you that paid taxes funded it.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

    I don't even know WHO to believe anymore. At this point i'm skeptical of being skeptical!

    that's got to be one of the smartest things i've heard here in a long time. i wish i would've bookmarked the website saying the canadian government was responsable for 9/11. the evidence they presented was compelling. as is every other conspiracy theory groups evidence.
    you have to take all the evidence and follow logical progression. then make your own decision. if it isn't logical; it isn't true.
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    onelongsong wrote:
    if it isn't logical; it isn't true.

    except sometimes what seemingly defies logic IS logic on some level.

    how do you reconcile this:
    http://video.google.com/url?docid=347655064407137426&esrc=sr3&ev=v&q=open%2B911&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D347655064407137426&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D347655064407137426%26q%3Dopen%2B911%26total%3D740%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D2&usg=AL29H21o21OgB9cuXbG3XQgM8lBpU16AHw

    i'm not sure about it, but it seems better than NO explanation at all. Particularly for something like Moussad agents jumping up and down all over new york and placing phone calls to 911 reporting "palesinians" celebrating the towers demise ...

    summary of premise: many of the seemingly illogical "coincidences" of 911 were done in order to decieve the public in to DISBELIEVING it's own intuitions ... in other words ... present the audience with such subtle clues as to the reality and TOTALITY of what is going on that the general public has NO CHOICE but to disbelieve it ...

    along with that reasoning, there is the "all the conspirators are now bonded in to one mega-conspiracy" rational and the "if we show enough of the truth to get the truth seekers in government on our tail, we can uncover who the truth seekers are and get rid of them" ...

    most of these rational seem illogical ... but ?
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Sadly,
    in 2005 this was swept SO FAR UNDER THE RUG that only Prison Planet, revel8n.blogspot.com, and indymedia.org still even have this article posted.

    SO ... Which one of the fucking brainwashed dunces is going to stand up today and tell me that this is the PRICE WE MUST PAY FOR FREEDOM !?!
    "original" article (actual Tehran Times article 404 Not Found)

    TEHRAN (MNA) – About 304 recalcitrant U.S. soldiers have been killed by the Pentagon’s special team, intelligence sources in Iraq have revealed.

    The sources quoted high-ranking U.S. officers as saying that since the U.S. occupation of Iraq in March 2003 more than 304 U.S. military forces have been executed in spurious clashes at the behest of army commanders and with the knowledge of the Pentagon.

    The bodies of these soldiers have been sent to their families and announced as forces who have been killed in the fight against terrorists, the Mehr News Agency correspondent in southern Iran has learnt.

    The soldiers ordered killed were mainly among those who suffered mental disorders and protested against the massacre of Iraqi civilians and asked “Who were they fighting for”.

    Reports say the number of soldiers who have injured or maimed themselves to flee from the scene of war in Iraq are on the rise, and new revelations show that this number has exceeded to 2,100 over the past two years.

    The U.S. Army medical dispensary announced four months ago that more than 6,000 soldiers serving in Iraq suffer from severe mental problems. The reports have also revealed that some of these soldiers tend to kill innocent Iraqi civilians without any particular reason in order to reduce their mental pains.
    end "original" article


    The State Is NOT God: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1JiE_jBOtg

    are you fucking kidding me dude. why would you post this bullshit?
  • DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
    Are you that fucking disturbed that you can't smell the bullshit on this?
    I'll keep taking punches
    Untill their will grows tired
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    You know, if all you guys ever believe is your own government and media, then you will forever be in the dark. I'm scepitcal about this, but I'm not gonna sweep it under the rug either.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I agree with the doubters on this one. I cannot imagine soldiers carrying out orders to murder fellow soldiers. These guys see each other as brothers.
    If anything... I can see them shooting the idiot officer who gave the order.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You know, if all you guys ever believe is your own government and media, then you will forever be in the dark. I'm scepitcal about this, but I'm not gonna sweep it under the rug either.

    you know, if you can find me three credible, independent sources to verify this I might believe it.

    The Russians used to print this same kind of nonsense all the time in Pravda.
    "If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
    —Dorothy Parker

    http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    Cosmo wrote:
    I agree with the doubters on this one. I cannot imagine soldiers carrying out orders to murder fellow soldiers. These guys see each other as brothers.
    If anything... I can see them shooting the idiot officer who gave the order.

    If there's one thing the military can't do, it's keep a secret. If this had really happened, there is no way in hell it wouldn't have already leaked to the "real" media, been verified and won somebody the Pulitzer.
    "If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
    —Dorothy Parker

    http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    godpt3 wrote:
    you know, if you can find me three credible, independent sources to verify this I might believe it.

    The Russians used to print this same kind of nonsense all the time in Pravda.

    Can't find 'em. But at least I looked. As with everything! I check for corroboration. I noticed most people on here either believe or disbelieve based on their intuition and make absolutely zero efforts to corroborate their beliefs. Makes for shitty debate if you ask me.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    onelongsong wrote:
    those of you that paid taxes funded it.

    thats correct
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Can't find 'em. But at least I looked. As with everything! I check for corroboration. I noticed most people on here either believe or disbelieve based on their intuition and make absolutely zero efforts to corroborate their beliefs. Makes for shitty debate if you ask me.

    what if I told you the toothfairy left me a dollar under my pillow last night? would you need to check the sources first? probably not
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I noticed most people on here either believe or disbelieve based on their intuition and make absolutely zero efforts to corroborate their beliefs. Makes for shitty debate if you ask me.

    most of the 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what if I told you the toothfairy left me a dollar under my pillow last night? would you need to check the sources first? probably not

    no, because we all know the tooth fairy is legit :cool:
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what if I told you the toothfair left me a dollar under my pillow last night? would you need to check the sources first? probably not

    There would be no way to validate the claim, so I would probably ignore it. Of course I can draw circumstantial evidence from various other situations where its varifiably the parents that leave the money in place of the tooth. But I would guess by making this claim you are a child yourself. But, no, only circumstantial evidence exists to support your claim and I would just ignore it as being insufficient.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Can't find 'em. But at least I looked. As with everything! I check for corroboration. I noticed most people on here either believe or disbelieve based on their intuition and make absolutely zero efforts to corroborate their beliefs. Makes for shitty debate if you ask me.
    ...
    Plus... the Terhan Times... come on.
    This is why I laugh at those people who continually blame the News Medias over here about printing 'Bad News'. Like a Government Controlled media is the solution. Imagine the news reports we would get over here is our government was the only source available.
    There's a reason WHY Freedom of the Press is part of the FIRST Amendment.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    my2hands wrote:
    most of the 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq

    thats the first time I ever heard that. and I dont think thats ever been said by anybody. maybe i'm missing the point
  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    Ahnimus wrote:
    There would be no way to validate the claim, so I would probably ignore it.

    Of course there's a way to verify it. Bring me the head of the tooth fairy, and her wand, too. Then we can run DNA tests on the corpse. :D
    "If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
    —Dorothy Parker

    http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    my2hands wrote:
    most of the 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq

    see, that one's easy to debunk, especially since we know it isn't true
    "If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
    —Dorothy Parker

    http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    except sometimes what seemingly defies logic IS logic on some level.

    how do you reconcile this:
    http://video.google.com/url?docid=347655064407137426&esrc=sr3&ev=v&q=open%2B911&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D347655064407137426&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D347655064407137426%26q%3Dopen%2B911%26total%3D740%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D2&usg=AL29H21o21OgB9cuXbG3XQgM8lBpU16AHw

    i'm not sure about it, but it seems better than NO explanation at all. Particularly for something like Moussad agents jumping up and down all over new york and placing phone calls to 911 reporting "palesinians" celebrating the towers demise ...

    summary of premise: many of the seemingly illogical "coincidences" of 911 were done in order to decieve the public in to DISBELIEVING it's own intuitions ... in other words ... present the audience with such subtle clues as to the reality and TOTALITY of what is going on that the general public has NO CHOICE but to disbelieve it ...

    along with that reasoning, there is the "all the conspirators are now bonded in to one mega-conspiracy" rational and the "if we show enough of the truth to get the truth seekers in government on our tail, we can uncover who the truth seekers are and get rid of them" ...

    most of these rational seem illogical ... but ?

    i'm with you most of the way. the fact still remains that it happened right before thousands of peoples eyes. if it were explosives people wouldn't have survived in the center column stairwell. explosives would have to be placed there to dislodge the floors from the center support. otherwise it would look like a christmass tree when it fell.
    people believe what they want to hear. that's the bottom line.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    except sometimes what seemingly defies logic IS logic on some level.

    how do you reconcile this:
    http://video.google.com/url?docid=347655064407137426&esrc=sr3&ev=v&q=open%2B911&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D347655064407137426&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D347655064407137426%26q%3Dopen%2B911%26total%3D740%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D2&usg=AL29H21o21OgB9cuXbG3XQgM8lBpU16AHw

    i'm not sure about it, but it seems better than NO explanation at all. Particularly for something like Moussad agents jumping up and down all over new york and placing phone calls to 911 reporting "palesinians" celebrating the towers demise ...

    summary of premise: many of the seemingly illogical "coincidences" of 911 were done in order to decieve the public in to DISBELIEVING it's own intuitions ... in other words ... present the audience with such subtle clues as to the reality and TOTALITY of what is going on that the general public has NO CHOICE but to disbelieve it ...

    along with that reasoning, there is the "all the conspirators are now bonded in to one mega-conspiracy" rational and the "if we show enough of the truth to get the truth seekers in government on our tail, we can uncover who the truth seekers are and get rid of them" ...

    most of these rational seem illogical ... but ?


    what was even more weird about those israeli movers arressted when citizens called the police saying they were filimg the towers falling high fiving each other and jumping up and down...the owner of the moving company they worked for was also israeli...after this he fled the country and some ppl actually had to sue to get their stuff out of their storage
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Cosmo wrote:
    I agree with the doubters on this one. I cannot imagine soldiers carrying out orders to murder fellow soldiers. These guys see each other as brothers.
    If anything... I can see them shooting the idiot officer who gave the order.


    i agree and this is why i dont like these private mercenary groups like blackwater (who also started a private intelligence company)...i couldn't see any bad martial law type thing happening b/c i always thought us troops wouldn't do that, at least not enough, towards other americans and i never believed in the un troop conspiracy....

    but these ppld don't care...they do it for the paycheck (and some are probably violent/aggressive type ppl...)
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
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