Bush Family Linked To Nazi Party

DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8795795223394289910

Hmm.
Discuss please?

I've seen and read several other accounts involving the Bushes, the Rockerfellers, IG Farbin, Standard Oil, several large US Banks and THE NAZI PARTY.

Seems a lot of todays power brokers got their footing by milking money from the Nazi war machine and from direct involvement with TRAITOROUS activities.

???
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

    Am I RIGHT or Am I WRONG!

    Kanye West said it best...." George Bush doesn't like black people". A scary thought indeed as August approaches and another anniversary of Katrina comes near. Check it here @ MINORITY REPORT as his ignorance of the people of the Gulf Coast hurts deeply.


    Peace
    Earle
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • More delightful stories about our buddy W. here at W.
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    g under p wrote:
    The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

    Am I RIGHT or Am I WRONG!

    You would be...

    wrong.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Thanks for the clip, it was very interesting but I don't think you can compare Bush to Hitler. Hitler had a much bigger effect on the world than Bush. Bush isn't taken seriously and I think that his time will soon be up. :)
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,561
    This topic is talked about in the zeitgeist movie?
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Seems a lot of todays power brokers got their footing by milking money from the Nazi war machine and from direct involvement with TRAITOROUS activities.

    ???

    I think you're mixing up your timelines. These people were already power brokers. The didn't "get their footing" by selling/buying goods & services from the Nazis.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    g under p wrote:
    Kanye West said it best...." George Bush doesn't like black people".

    Not sure if you or Kanye know this, but there are black people in Mississippi, too. And someone they received federal relief pretty quickly. I'm not a Bush apologist, nor am I excusing the Fed's negligent and/or criminal handling of Katrina, but to reduce it to something as inane as an idiotic and racist quote from a rapper really shows a lack of understanding. Ya' feel me?
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8795795223394289910

    Hmm.
    Discuss please?

    I've seen and read several other accounts involving the Bushes, the Rockerfellers, IG Farbin, Standard Oil, several large US Banks and THE NAZI PARTY.

    Seems a lot of todays power brokers got their footing by milking money from the Nazi war machine and from direct involvement with TRAITOROUS activities.

    ???

    I wonder who your family could be linked to...

    (I'll bet we all can be linked to some really bad people)
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1 wrote:
    I wonder who your family could be linked to...

    (I'll bet we all can be linked to some really bad people)

    Haha! I agree with this so much!

    I still stand by what I say and that Bush is not smart enough to have a plan or to take over the world. It seems most people are tired of him now.

    Hitler brainwashed people and it seems to me that there are a fair majority of Americans that will stand up against Bush. ?
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    jeffbr wrote:
    Not sure if you or Kanye know this, but there are black people in Mississippi, too. And someone they received federal relief pretty quickly. I'm not a Bush apologist, nor am I excusing the Fed's negligent and/or criminal handling of Katrina, but to reduce it to something as inane as an idiotic and racist quote from a rapper really shows a lack of understanding. Ya' feel me?

    It matters none if he took care of one particular area of the Gulf Coast and not in another state or city. As the Commander and Chief/President your responsibility and care should be to ALL the people ALL the time. If by this choice some are neglected and have died because of this inaction to do something to help them, then him being called a racist by a rapper is of small consequence.

    I'm sure he's being called far worse than a racist around this world today.


    Peace and Love
    Earle
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • g under p wrote:
    It matters none if he took care of one particular area of the Gulf Coast and not in another state or city. As the Commander and Chief/President your responsibility and care should be to ALL the people ALL the time. If by this choice some are neglected and have died because of this inaction to do something to help them, then him being called a racist by a rapper is of small consequence.

    I'm sure he's being called far worse than a racist around this world today.


    Peace and Love
    Earle

    I don't think he's a rascist... I don't like him. (I'm not saying I AM a rascist).
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    g under p wrote:
    Kanye West said it best...." George Bush doesn't like black people".




    I have to apologize because I misspoke. I went back and checked, what Kanye West actually said was..."George Bush doesn't care about black people". It can heard at the end of the video here @ "Minority Report" and please take a look and see.

    I think what he was trying to do was to get some attention to the Gulf Coast/New Orleans and to say these are American citizens help them. He didn't say "like" or "hate" he used the word "care" which I believe is more about being compassionate towards these people. Caring about there plight having to fend for themselves in the heat and just the sheer magnitude of what these people had to live through. To them it really seemed like no one cared.

    You can call Kanye West a racist for using those words if you wish but I think all he wanted was to see some "compassion"..... however it was too little too late George.

    So I made a mistake I hope to not make any in the future but I know I will anyway.


    Peace everybody
    Earle
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • g under p wrote:
    I have to apologize because I misspoke. I went back and checked, what Kanye West actually said was..."George Bush doesn't care about black people". It can heard at the end of the video here @ "Minority Report" and please take a look and see.

    I think what he was trying to do was to get some attention to the Gulf Coast/New Orleans and to say these are American citizens help them. He didn't say "like" or "hate" he used the word "care" which I believe is more about being compassionate towards these people. Caring about there plight having to fend for themselves in the heat and just the sheer magnitude of what these people had to live through. To them it really seemed like no one cared.

    You can call Kanye West a racist for using those words if you wish but I think all he wanted was to see some "compassion"..... however it was too little too late George.

    So I made a mistake I hope to not make any in the future but I know I will anyway.


    Peace everybody
    Earle

    I respect you so much for saying you got something wrong.

    I certainly believe this comment more than the one you posted before :) I think Bush should have shown more compassion. I don't think he is a rascist. - Still don't like him though!

    Anyways, bump!
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    g under p wrote:
    It matters none if he took care of one particular area of the Gulf Coast and not in another state or city. As the Commander and Chief/President your responsibility and care should be to ALL the people ALL the time. If by this choice some are neglected and have died because of this inaction to do something to help them, then him being called a racist by a rapper is of small consequence.

    I'm sure he's being called far worse than a racist around this world today.


    Peace and Love
    Earle

    You missed the point. If there are black people in New Orleans, and black people in Mississippi, and Mississippi was taken care of, then how does it follow that he doesn't care for black people? If not helping the people of New Orleans translates to "doesn't care about black people, then by that logic Mayor Nagin doesn't care about black people either, since he was pretty goddam ineffectual (both preceding and following the disaster).

    Bush screwed up. No argument. But the "he doesn't care about black people" comment was plain stupid and didn't do anything but cause further tension.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    g under p wrote:
    You can call Kanye West a racist for using those words if you wish but I think all he wanted was to see some "compassion"..... however it was too little too late George.

    I find that playing the race card is a strange way of seeking compassion and promoting open dialog.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jeffbr wrote:
    I find that playing the race card is a strange way of seeking compassion and promoting open dialog.

    he/she did say that they got it wrong...
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    he/she did say that they got it wrong...

    The misquote was "doesn't like black people" instead of "doesn't care about black people". Either way you slice it it was race baiting.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jeffbr wrote:
    The misquote was "doesn't like black people" instead of "doesn't care about black people". Either way you slice it it was race baiting.

    I don't think it was meant in that way. :)
  • You would be...

    wrong.
    are you always defending bush... i mean, you don't have to necessarily buy into the far left wing just to be against bush and his ideas... as a "christian", i'm completely against that dude
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • are you always defending bush... i mean, you don't have to necessarily buy into the far left wing just to be against bush and his ideas... as a "christian", i'm completely against that dude

    He's pro-bush one minute and against him the next...it just depends on what suits him at the time.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • know1 wrote:
    I wonder who your family could be linked to...

    (I'll bet we all can be linked to some really bad people)

    My dad's mother is a Rothschild, thank you very much.
    No joke.

    :D

    And the point of this thread (albeit, the thread title is misleading) is really that the Bush family seems to have pretty conclusive ties to Nazi Germany.
    It's not comparing Bush to Hitler. It's saying that the Bush family gained prominence by profiting off of the Third Reich and by basicaly being treasonous to their own country in the matters with which they conducted business. I find that pretty abominable. Like a snowman.

    :(
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    My dad's mother is a Rothschild, thank you very much.
    No joke.

    :D

    And the point of this thread (albeit, the thread title is misleading) is really that the Bush family seems to have pretty conclusive ties to Nazi Germany.
    It's not comparing Bush to Hitler. It's saying that the Bush family gained prominence by profiting off of the Third Reich and by basicaly being treasonous to their own country in the matters with which they conducted business. I find that pretty abominable. Like a snowman.

    :(

    That's the only person your family can be linked to?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    jeffbr wrote:
    I think you're mixing up your timelines. These people were already power brokers. The didn't "get their footing" by selling/buying goods & services from the Nazis.
    Correct......Standard Oil was quite well off a long time before the Nazis rose to power in Germany. It is also important to remember that there was a time period when Nazi Germany was not killing Jews and making war on their neighbors. The Nazis, like FDR, came to power during the bleakest years of a world-wide financial depression so great that it is called the "Great Depression." Hitler and the Nazi party performed what looked like an economic miracle in Germany. It is not surprising that many foreign investors wanted a piece of the action....because this "new" Germany did not appear to be a threat to anyone. This is not to say that the Nazis were benign, harmless or correct in their thinking. I am saying that at a certain point in history to those without knowledge of the future (or not having read "Mein Kampf"), the Nazis appeared okay. Charles Lindebergh was convinced that America should be allies with the Nazis and spoke out quite loudly for this.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • A Patton FanA Patton Fan Posts: 176
    I just saw the thread of this title & it made me roll my eyes. I no longer support Bush's way of handling Iraq, but when I see that pic on the Army Reserve site promoting the Chorzow show it makes me cringe.

    But I do appreciate him hosting that show.
  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    jeffbr wrote:
    You missed the point. If there are black people in New Orleans, and black people in Mississippi, and Mississippi was taken care of, then how does it follow that he doesn't care for black people? If not helping the people of New Orleans translates to "doesn't care about black people, then by that logic Mayor Nagin doesn't care about black people either, since he was pretty goddam ineffectual (both preceding and following the disaster).

    Bush screwed up. No argument. But the "he doesn't care about black people" comment was plain stupid and didn't do anything but cause further tension.

    I think Bush' actions spoke volumes about how concerned he was for the people of New Orleans. And the ones left behind - mostly, the poorest of poor - were 95% black. It's probably hard for you or I to truly understand what it's like to be a black American. Yes, we've come a long way, but to deny racism still isn't prevalent, especially in the south, is to not be honest with ourselves. I see it and hear it every day. So you see, Kanye West wasn't stupid, he was just saying what he felt, in the heat of the moment. It's not hard to blame him for thinking that.
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    gabers wrote:
    I think Bush' actions spoke volumes about how concerned he was for the people of New Orleans. And the ones left behind - mostly, the poorest of poor - were 95% black. It's probably hard for you or I to truly understand what it's like to be a black American. Yes, we've come a long way, but to deny racism still isn't prevalent, especially in the south, is to not be honest with ourselves. I see it and hear it every day. So you see, Kanye West wasn't stupid, he was just saying what he felt, in the heat of the moment. It's not hard to blame him for thinking that.

    On one hand, liberals want to deny that race is an issue in welfare payments and unemployment - they want to say that is class-based.

    On the other hand, liberals want to say that Bush refused to help the poor in New Orleans because they were black.

    Simultaneously, they say Bush doesn't care about the poor or black people. We know this is not true because his administration has given millions in aid to African countries heavily impacted with HIV. Kanye West is a dumbass rapstar who doesn't have issues with money.

    You can't say racism exists when it fits your agenda but then refuse to acknowledge it (affirmative action) when it doesn't.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    On one hand, liberals want to deny that race is an issue in welfare payments and unemployment - they want to say that is class-based.

    On the other hand, liberals want to say that Bush refused to help the poor in New Orleans because they were black.

    Simultaneously, they say Bush doesn't care about the poor or black people. We know this is not true because his administration has given millions in aid to African countries heavily impacted with HIV. Kanye West is a dumbass rapstar who doesn't have issues with money.

    You can't say racism exists when it fits your agenda but then refuse to acknowledge it (affirmative action) when it doesn't.

    hahahaha...anyone that thinks bush cares about poor people or minorities is a fool

    and the whole "millions in aid to africa" is bullshit too, considering he is only allowing funding to programs that are abstinence based. look a little futher than the surface for the truth
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen, who had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but who by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler. Business transactions for profit with Nazi Germany were not illegal when Hitler declared war on the United States (December 11, 1941), but, six days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act after it had been made public that U.S. companies were doing business with the declared enemy of the United States. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City. President Franklin Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order, published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news, cited only the Union Banking Corporation (UBC) connections with Von Thyssen. Fox News has reported that recently declassified material "The 4,000 Union Banking shares owned by the Dutch bank were registered in the names of the seven U.S. directors, according a document signed by Homer Jones, chief of the division of investigation and research of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, a World War II-era agency that no longer exists"[2].

    E. Roland Harriman--3991 shares (managed and under voting control of Prescott Bush)
    Cornelis Lievense--4 shares (He was the New York banker of the German Nazi Party)
    Harold D. Pennington--1 share (Employed by Prescott Bush at Brown Brothers Harriman)
    Ray Morris--1 share (a business partner of the Bush and Harriman families)
    Prescott S. Bush--1 share (director of UBC, which was co-founded and sponsored by his father-in-law George Walker; senior managing partner for E. Roland Harriman and Averell Harriman)
    H.J. Kouwenhoven--1 share (organised UBC for Von Thyssen, managed UBC in Nazi occupied Netherlands)
    Johann G. Groeninger--1 share (German Industrial Executive, a not unimportant member of the Nazi party)
    The Harriman business interests seized under the act in October and November 1942 included:

    Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman). The President of UBC at that time was George Herbert Walker, Prescott Bush's father-in-law. He is the grandfather and great-grandfather of the former and current Presidents Bush.
    Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
    the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
    Silesian-American Corporation (this company was partially owned by a German entity; during the war the Germans tried to take full control of Silesian-American. In response to that, the American government seized German owned minority shares in the company, leaving the U.S. partners to carry on the business.)
    The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward. UBC was dissolved in 1951. Prescott Bush was on the board of directors of UBC and held one share in the company. For it, he was reimbursed $1,500,000. These assets were later used to launch Bush family investments in the Texas energy industry.

    Toby Rogers has claimed that Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) make him complicit with the mining operations in Poland which used slave labor out of Auschwitz, where the Auschwitz concentration camp was later constructed.

    The New York Herald-Tribune referred to the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, as "Hitler's Angel" and mentioned Bush as an employee of the investment banking firm Thyssen used in the USA. The underlying importance is Hitler's known ideology; intelligent business partners like Bush and Thyssen and Harriman clearly knew who they were doing business with and were willing to do so. Some records in the National Archives, including the Harriman papers, document the continued relationship of Brown Brothers Harriman with Thyssen and some of his German investments up until his 1951 death.[4] Investigator John Loftus has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averell Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany." Two former slave laborers from Poland have filed suit in London against the government of the United States and the heirs of Prescott Bush in the amount of $40 billion. A class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. in 2001 was dismissed based on the principle of state sovereignty.[5]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    my2hands wrote:
    hahahaha...anyone that thinks bush cares about poor people or minorities is a fool

    and the whole "millions in aid to africa" is bullshit too, considering he is only allowing funding to programs that are abstinence based. look a little futher than the surface for the truth

    Look past your own biased propaganda, numb nuts. I don't even support giving money to Africa because it's a black hole of productivity, but Bush has done it anyway.

    "AIDS alone has left at least 11 million orphans in sub-Sahara Africa.
    The Bush Administration launched the Global AID Fund and initially contributed $200 M.

    Today the Administration has committed $500M for FY02 and 03.

    The Administration is providing approximately $1B in FY02 and 03 for global HIV/AIDS."

    I don't care if it's abstinence-based, that's a shit ton of money. Much of it goes to medical help for blacks.

    Bush would not have done this if he did not care about black people.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    On one hand, liberals want to deny that race is an issue in welfare payments and unemployment - they want to say that is class-based.

    On the other hand, liberals want to say that Bush refused to help the poor in New Orleans because they were black.

    Simultaneously, they say Bush doesn't care about the poor or black people. We know this is not true because his administration has given millions in aid to African countries heavily impacted with HIV. Kanye West is a dumbass rapstar who doesn't have issues with money.

    You can't say racism exists when it fits your agenda but then refuse to acknowledge it (affirmative action) when it doesn't.

    What I'm saying is that the impression is that he didn't care, based on the response time by him and FEMA. I don't think Bush doesn't care about all black people, just not ones that that do nothing for him, like poor blacks from New Orleans that if they vote, they vote democrat. The Africans get our support because it's the least we can do. How could he not?
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