Palin mixing religion with policy

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    know1 wrote:
    All she's saying is that if it's not God's will, then the pipeline won't go through (wasn't she addressing a church, anyway?).

    It's kind of like saying - if Federer's backhand is working, he'll win the US Open. Or - it's basically her affirming that she believes in God.

    It has nothing to do with the issue, policy or the bill.

    In this instance I can agree with you, but what happens when she starts saying that we need to invade a country because it's God's will, which she has already done. At this point she is using religion to push through policy and that is where it becomes dangerous.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    know1 wrote:
    Again, I said that if she were trying to pass a bill outlawing a certain religion or endorsing another, then there is a big problem.

    If she's standing in front of a religious congregation and affirming her Christian faith by stating that if the bill passes it's because of God's will, then I don't see a problem.
    This pipeline business is likely a popularly voted on issue - or at least needs popular support so that the politicians who support it don't get voted out. So she says, "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas pipeline built. So pray for that ... I can do my job there in developing my natural resources. But all of that doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart is not good with God."

    Asside from the clumsy wording, what she's saying is "vote for (or support) the pipeline or your heart is not good with God." That's trying to get a policy passed by using religion, and that's scary. Probably not illegal - but voters should know where she stands here.
  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 1,081
    know1 wrote:
    Again, I said that if she were trying to pass a bill outlawing a certain religion or endorsing another, then there is a big problem.

    If she's standing in front of a religious congregation and affirming her Christian faith by stating that if the bill passes it's because of God's will, then I don't see a problem.

    some of us do. thus the thread's purpose: show some of her quotes and beliefs and ask people to think about whether or not that is something they are comfortable with in a politician. personally, i don't like a politician who feels their god has charged them to conduct a war or who feels we should just "pray there's a plan" for the war rather than ask our leaders to make sure they have one. that's the sort of thing osama bin laden does, not american government.
    and like that... he's gone.
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    know1 wrote:
    Again, I said that if she were trying to pass a bill outlawing a certain religion or endorsing another, then there is a big problem.

    If she's standing in front of a religious congregation and affirming her Christian faith by stating that if the bill passes it's because of God's will, then I don't see a problem.

    Yeah I don't see anything wrong with whoring out religion to pull the strings on the Jesus marionette in front of the masses that vote for god.

    Jesus wants a fucking pipeline Goddammit!!!!!!
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    RainDog wrote:
    This pipeline business is likely a popularly voted on issue - or at least needs popular support so that the politicians who support it don't get voted out. So she says, "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas pipeline built. So pray for that ... I can do my job there in developing my natural resources. But all of that doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart is not good with God."

    Asside from the clumsy wording, what she's saying is "vote for (or support) the pipeline or your heart is not good with God." That's trying to get a policy passed by using religion, and that's scary. Probably not illegal - but voters should know where she stands here.


    Well said. Better than the way I said it, that's for sure.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Strangest Tribe wrote:

    Jesus wants a fucking pipeline Goddammit!!!!!!

    lol :D
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    God told me that he wants all good Christians to pitch in and buy me an Aston Martin.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    None of your christian hearts will be good with god, unless you all take up a collection and buy me........

    ..... two McIntosh MC402 audio amplifiers, one MCD 301 CD/SACD Player and one C220 Tubed Pre Amplifier.

    If you want your hearts to be good with God, that is.

    :D
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    Yeah I don't see anything wrong with whoring out religion to pull the strings on the Jesus marionette in front of the masses that vote for god.

    Jesus wants a fucking pipeline Goddammit!!!!!!

    No, but I see a lot wrong with the way you've phrased this and with your attitude.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I see mammasan had a very similar idea:D And beat me to the punch....by a good 30 minutes or so

    :D
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    know1 wrote:
    No, but I see a lot wrong with the way you've phrased this and with your attitude.

    And what attitude would that be?

    An attitude that doesn't appreciate religious lunatics/bullies infesting and infecting our political system with their religious beliefs and casually beat everyone about the brow with it?
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    NMyTree wrote:
    And what attitude would that be?

    An attitude that doesn't appreciate religious lunatics/bullies infesting and infecting our political system with their religious beliefs and casually beat everyone about the brow with it?

    The kind of attitude that stereotypes every religious person as a "lunatic" or "bully".
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • locked
    locked Boston Posts: 4,048
    hey, you've got religion in my politics..!
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    know1 wrote:
    The kind of attitude that stereotypes every religious person as a "lunatic" or "bully".

    Well, the subject matter is Palin. And it's clear she is one of those looneys.

    Secondly, when refering to religious looneys and bullies; I am refering to those that are. Which certainly is a large percentage. Which excludes those who are not.

    One thing for sure, the thing religious looneys/bullies hate the most....is resistence and challenging. That really gets them all worked up and furious.
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    There's no way to keep religion and politics entirely separate; someone's faith and religion often guide their principles and concisence, and as such cannot be excluded from the conversation. The problem is when "God" becomes the justification for political acts. Politics in this country (and I suppose any country) thrives on debate and compromise. Take the War in Iraq; you can engage in productive debates on the pros and cons about the current military and political situation there, and with everything laid out on the table, Democrats and Republicans give and take to hopefully reach a middle ground. It's why when immigration comes out, there's talk of a guide to citizenship along with a border fence. People need to (eventually) compromise or things never get done.

    But how do you debate someone who says that his or her reasoning for believing something is because it is "God's will?" How would I argue the positives and negatives of the war in Iraq with Sarah Palin, if she truly does believe that the war is a "task that is from God?" There is no where else to go with such a statement, and such religious zealotry can be dangerous when brought into a situation like politics that requires debate and compromise to work efficiently.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    NMyTree wrote:
    One thing for sure, the thing religious looneys/bullies hate the most....is resistence and challenging. That really gets them all worked up and furious.

    Not sure I agree with that statement about hating that the "most", but if it is true, then it probably also applies to looneys and bullies on the anti-religion side of things as well.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    my2hands wrote:
    if McCain/Palin win in Novemeber...


    it is absolute proof that there is no God

    Not according to the Catholic Church who calls Palin a "dream candidate."

    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/palin/2008/09/08/128840.html?s=al&promo_code=6991-1
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  • nfanel
    nfanel Posts: 2,558
    Solat13 wrote:
    Not according to the Catholic Church who calls Palin a "dream candidate."

    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/palin/2008/09/08/128840.html?s=al&promo_code=6991-1
    i'm catholic and i find her to be a nightmare...but then again i'm not a very good catholic.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    nfanel wrote:
    i'm catholic and i find her to be a nightmare...but then again i'm not a very good catholic.

    Yeah, she's too extreme for me, but then again I'm not a good Catholic either in terms of going to Church. The whole being nice to people and treating people as I'd want to be treated I got nailed down though. ;)
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    know1 wrote:
    Not sure I agree with that statement about hating that the "most", but if it is true, then it probably also applies to looneys and bullies on the anti-religion side of things as well.

    Ah yes, the rubber/glue defense. Well played.

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