McCain... Wrecking a deal for political or patriotic reason?

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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    FrankBauer wrote:
    if you wouldve used your own link and scrolled down just a tiny bit further, it shows the dems are in the majority. the two independents (lieberman and bernie sanders) caucus with the dems. although lieberman pretty much stands with mccain now. so, maybe it is a draw....

    Sleightofjeff was making it seem like if the Democrats wanted to, they could easily push this bailout legislation through both Houses. It's simply not true. This is also assuming that support and opposition to the bailout proposal is strictly along party lines, which is not the case. There are Republicans that support the bill and Democrats who oppose it, albeit for different reasons.

    One question...I know to override a Presidential veto, the Congress needs a 2/3 majority, but when it comes to legislation passing through the first time, would a simple 51-49 do? (Or 50-50 with a tiebreaker by the VP?) Even then the Dems cannot pass this without bipartisan support, but it's still important to know.
  • YieldInHiding
    YieldInHiding Posts: 1,841
    FrankBauer wrote:
    so, maybe it is a draw....

    oh....maybe it is... :rolleyes:
    No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.
  • YieldInHiding
    YieldInHiding Posts: 1,841
    digster wrote:
    Sleightofjeff was making it seem like if the Democrats wanted to, they could easily push this bailout legislation through both Houses. It's simply not true. This is also assuming that support and opposition to the bailout proposal is strictly along party lines, which is not the case. There are Republicans that support the bill and Democrats who oppose it, albeit for different reasons.

    One question...I know to override a Presidential veto, the Congress needs a 2/3 majority, but when it comes to legislation passing through the first time, would a simple 51-49 do? (Or 50-50 with a tiebreaker by the VP?) Even then the Dems cannot pass this without bipartisan support, but it's still important to know.

    As far as I know, it can be a simple majority. The problem with this bill is that they have to make sure the President will sign it. Too bad they're dealing with that pesky oversight clause. ;)
    No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.
  • DixieN
    DixieN Posts: 351
    darkcrow wrote:
    So I am sure by now everyone has read the arguments that McCain came into the meeting, sat quietly, did nothing and then try to wreck the consensus by putting forward an alternative plan that included suspending corp tax and pushing for more deregulation...
    So is the guy just causing havok to try and help his poll numbers or does he actually think he is doing the right think....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/at-white-house-mccain-pla_n_129438.html

    McCain says he cares about the people, but what he cares most about is himself and his career. He always wants it his way or the highway and hang 'em all if they don't agree.
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    YieldInHiding wrote:
    As far as I know, it can be a simple majority. The problem with this bill is that they have to make sure the President will sign it. Too bad they're dealing with that pesky oversight clause. ;)

    Bush has been very strongly in favor of a bailout, so it seems that he'll sign it. Again, I think the point was that the claim was made that the Democrats can push through any legislation they want, so if a bailout's not happening it's their fault. Again, just not true.

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