Live Even Flow comparison from '00, '03, '06

gossardstradlingossardstradlin Posts: 324
edited May 2008 in The Porch
IMO the Even Flow still rocks if not better and the reason, in addition to Mike's soloing and Matt's drumming, is....

Stone's playing during the guitar solo.

The riffs that he does in '06 during the solo are IMO incredible. Also loved the thing he did in '03 and I liked Mike's solos more that year for some reason.

Its honestly hard for me to listen to the '00 Even Flows without Stone coming in during or after the solo, definitely something missing, but I am also biased because I think Stone is the greatest rythm guitarist ever.

Thoughts, which versions do you like better? I picked these three tours because of the bootleggs being high quality and mass released.

Didn't mean to leave Jeff out, he is the rock that helps hold it together.
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  • Any ideas?
    "She knows there is no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all."

    "Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."

    "Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
    A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
  • PappasPappas Posts: 809
    06 are best out of all 3, but i must say i prefer mikes soloing from the 90's to how he does evenflow now. more hendrix and vaughan style rather than his own 'aggressive blues' style he tends to do lately in his evenflow solos

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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    My favorite solos are from '03. Like you said, I think Stone did not do as good a job in '00, but Mikey seems to have lost a little bit of the fire from the '03 solos. I think the song is just played a little too much. Its tough to bring the same intensity to a song every night. But in '03, man were they fucking on. Just check out Uniondale '03.
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  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    Actually one of my favorites is 9/1/05 The Gorge. Not exactly because anything special happens (although Mike really shreds during the solo) but because it has so much fucking energy!!!

    However out of the three '03 was best imo. Mike's solos were the most dynamic that year. He'd do a lot of shredding but at some point the band would take it down a little so he did some really kinda soulful playing at times. However, I do like the Cameron solo so '06 is good, too. I love when he finishes the solo and goes into that beat whereupon Stone reenters. Awesome.
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  • pearljammerpearljammer Posts: 237
    The Uniondale 03 Evenflow is IMO the best performance that I've heard, but another worth mentioning is Monterrey, Mexico 05. Stone adds some strange and awesome chords to the end of the solo, and Mikey's guitar has a more raw sound during this performance..
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  • I agree with 03 being the best for Even Flow. And.. drum solos are fine, but not in the middle of even flow, imho.
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  • PJamGrunge10PJamGrunge10 California Posts: 596
    Stone's side riff was one of my favorite things to listen for during the solo (besides the solo :p). I think he stopped it around '95, but I'm glad to hear him doing something again! So I prefer '06 out of those three.
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  • NotoriousIMPNotoriousIMP Posts: 141
    Uniondale, NY 03' gets my nod. Great intro to solo. Although im one who thinks evenflow should go back to the way they played it in the early days or just retire it. Uniondale, NY imo had started off with one of the best set lists.
    96' Randalls island II
    98' NJ, MSG II
    00' Jones Beach I,II,III
    03' Nassau, MSG I, II
    05' Montreal, Ottawa, Borgata II
    06' NJ I, II
    08' Camden II, MSG II, Hartford, Beacon NY, Ed Ved NYC I
    09' Philly 4
    10' MSG I,II
    11' Ed Ved Hartford
    13' Chicago, Brooklyn II
    15' GCF NY
    16' Philly II, MSG I
  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Uniondale, NY 03' gets my nod. Great intro to solo. Although im one who thinks evenflow should go back to the way they played it in the early days or just retire it. Uniondale, NY imo had started off with one of the best set lists.

    That was a sick show until the end. The band was on fire.
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  • NotoriousIMPNotoriousIMP Posts: 141
    I agree. Great show. They were tight that night. Encore 1 slowed things down a bit (last kiss, thumbing my way, crazy mary, down) they should have stayed with uptempo songs. Could have been one of the best ever!!
    96' Randalls island II
    98' NJ, MSG II
    00' Jones Beach I,II,III
    03' Nassau, MSG I, II
    05' Montreal, Ottawa, Borgata II
    06' NJ I, II
    08' Camden II, MSG II, Hartford, Beacon NY, Ed Ved NYC I
    09' Philly 4
    10' MSG I,II
    11' Ed Ved Hartford
    13' Chicago, Brooklyn II
    15' GCF NY
    16' Philly II, MSG I
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    I was watching a certain 1995 tour video that we are not allowed to talk about the other day, and I was completly blown away by the version of Even Flow from Austrailia.

    The song was so fucking aggressive it blew me away. It was like a brand new song.

    The problem I have with the modern day version of Even Flow is Eddie's total lack of conviction. He totally phones this song in at every show. He constantly forgets the lyrics, and displays absoloutly no passion what so ever.

    It's really gotten annoying for me to see them play this live. Eddie is probably sick to death of singing this every night. He's probably sung Even Flow a million times by now and probably just doesn't relate to it the way he did back in the day.

    Matt, Mike, Stone, and Jeff are great as always. I like the guitar solo/drum solo thing they've been doing as of late; Lollapalooza was a definate highlight in that respect.

    Unfortunatley despite the efforts of the rest of the band...I think Eddie really wrecks the song and I think it really suffers because of Eddie's obvious lack of interest. Jeremy is often met with the same lack of passion and suffers for it as well.

    Both Songs will never get dropped from the setlist rotation because they are 2 of the bands biggest songs...But both have been pretty lame for quite some time now. There are probably cover bands out there that can play these songs better

    Anyways...If you get a chance check out the version from 1995 as mentioned above. The intro is changed up a bit and the guitar and vocals are really raw and agressive. Mike's guitar solo is awesome in the fact that it is subtle and conise. Stone's rhythm guitar is really cool and funky. Eddie just flat out growls this version. It's pure pefection and I believe it rivals any version they played back in the ten era and beyond. Excellent stuff.
  • Army & NavyArmy & Navy Posts: 120
    The 06 versions were awful, Mike's solos were just pure noise..The Cameron solo was a nice touch, and I loved the rhythm he laid down before Stone came back in with the riff, but Mike, deary me.

    Check out the MSG 1 03 version. Now that's a solo.

    Mike was more restrained in 00, but I liked the quiet parts he brought into the solo.

    Not sure what happenned in 06.
  • NotoriousIMPNotoriousIMP Posts: 141
    Totally agree with Gonzo!!
    Evenflow is a signiture song for eddies growl. Needs to be played like the old days.
    96' Randalls island II
    98' NJ, MSG II
    00' Jones Beach I,II,III
    03' Nassau, MSG I, II
    05' Montreal, Ottawa, Borgata II
    06' NJ I, II
    08' Camden II, MSG II, Hartford, Beacon NY, Ed Ved NYC I
    09' Philly 4
    10' MSG I,II
    11' Ed Ved Hartford
    13' Chicago, Brooklyn II
    15' GCF NY
    16' Philly II, MSG I
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,322
    IMO the Even Flow still rocks if not better and the reason, in addition to Mike's soloing and Matt's drumming, is....

    Stone's playing during the guitar solo.

    The riffs that he does in '06 during the solo are IMO incredible. Also loved the thing he did in '03 and I liked Mike's solos more that year for some reason.

    Its honestly hard for me to listen to the '00 Even Flows without Stone coming in during or after the solo, definitely something missing, but I am also biased because I think Stone is the greatest rythm guitarist ever.

    Thoughts, which versions do you like better? I picked these three tours because of the bootleggs being high quality and mass released.

    Didn't mean to leave Jeff out, he is the rock that helps hold it together.


    i've said it before on here, but i just hate "speedy-flow." the last time i liked evenflow was with mighty jack behind the kit during the 95-96 shows. BRING BACK THE GROOVE THE SONG ORGINALLY SOUNDED LIKE!
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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,322
    The 06 versions were awful, Mike's solos were just pure noise..The Cameron solo was a nice touch, and I loved the rhythm he laid down before Stone came back in with the riff, but Mike, deary me.

    Check out the MSG 1 03 version. Now that's a solo.

    Mike was more restrained in 00, but I liked the quiet parts he brought into the solo.

    Not sure what happenned in 06.


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  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    The problem it would seem these days is just the tone of the guitars. Is it just me or does the tone seem too saturated and boring?
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  • StuffnJunkStuffnJunk Posts: 896
    uniondale 03 - i was taking a leak during even flow, like i always do, cuz I AM SO SICK TO DEATH OF THIS FREAKIN SONG!!!!!!!

    its too fast!!! the album or video versions are the ideal speed

    it's funk..............funk = slow...............fast funk = SHIT

    but i can't complain, it is the perfect song to piss to...a) you know you'll get to piss around the middle of the set, b) 7-8 minutes is just about enough time c) no one else in the arena leaves during even flow, so you got the bathroom to yourself

    i have said all these things in countless other threads, just repeating myself cuz you brought it up and reminded me how much i loathe this song, yet appreciate it for its piss break value
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,887
    IMO the Even Flow still rocks if not better and the reason, in addition to Mike's soloing and Matt's drumming, is....

    Stone's playing during the guitar solo.

    The riffs that he does in '06 during the solo are IMO incredible. Also loved the thing he did in '03 and I liked Mike's solos more that year for some reason.

    Its honestly hard for me to listen to the '00 Even Flows without Stone coming in during or after the solo, definitely something missing, but I am also biased because I think Stone is the greatest rythm guitarist ever.

    Thoughts, which versions do you like better? I picked these three tours because of the bootleggs being high quality and mass released.

    Didn't mean to leave Jeff out, he is the rock that helps hold it together.


    yeah I wasn't keen on how they transitioned back to the chorus on the 2000 tour but that's my only complaint about Evenflow circa 2000. otherwise, Mike's solos were awesome.....unlike the crappy "solos" that Evenflow has now. my god in heaven they suck. how he just holds one note........and holds it..............and holds it..............and holds it. seriously, he sounds like a hack playing Evenflow now; a shadow of his former self. Kudos to them for switching it up a little and adding a drum solo. but really, Mike has given his life to Evenflow....and he simply has nothing left in the tank.
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  • StuffnJunk wrote:
    uniondale 03 - i was taking a leak during even flow, like i always do, cuz I AM SO SICK TO DEATH OF THIS FREAKIN SONG!!!!!!!

    its too fast!!! the album or video versions are the ideal speed

    it's funk..............funk = slow...............fast funk = SHIT

    but i can't complain, it is the perfect song to piss to...a) you know you'll get to piss around the middle of the set, b) 7-8 minutes is just about enough time c) no one else in the arena leaves during even flow, so you got the bathroom to yourself

    i have said all these things in countless other threads, just repeating myself cuz you brought it up and reminded me how much i loathe this song, yet appreciate it for its piss break value

    Appreciate the honesty. I agree it does get tiresome but for whatever reason I still love to hear it. I pay way more attention to what Stone and the rythm section is doing now. Not a big fan of the drum solo and Mike playing behind his head..a little too much in my opinion.

    I would love to check out some of the 95 shows.
    "She knows there is no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all."

    "Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."

    "Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
    A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
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