genocide of native americans?

darkcrow

Has the mass murder of native americans been recognised as genocide yet? I ask this because of the House's resolution over Ottoman Turky's murder of Armeanians.

mammasan

darkcrow wrote:

Has the mass murder of native americans been recognised as genocide yet? I ask this because of the House's resolution over Ottoman Turky's murder of Armeanians.

No. Our actions are always just.

810wmb

mammasan wrote:

No. Our actions are always just.

wow - you saw the light!!!

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Pacomc79

darkcrow wrote:

Has the mass murder of native americans been recognised as genocide yet? I ask this because of the House's resolution over Ottoman Turky's murder of Armeanians.

the house resolution was political bullshit, it was to try and shake the Turks favorable relationship with the US, there was no other reason to run that crap through at that time. The desired effect was to halt US military operations in Turkey. Genocide is genocide, it is what it is. Horrible blight on humanity but then the Victors tend to have the PR staff don't they?

To answer your question though, yes. It is recognised by anyone who understands history. Looking for governments to acknowledge genocide is just a little far fetched.

Yes we have a haulocaust museum (which was decidated during the Rwandan Genocide to which the world turned a blind eye.)

Genocide is for historians and people to recognise, governments will only do that when it is convenient or they need a photo op.

Essentially that is human nature though, since the beginning of civilization darwnian rules basically apply.

Keiran

It's amazing the actions people are able to justify in the name of God, king, democracy etc.
I'm reading Howard Zinn's book "Peoples History of the US" and I must admit more than once I have had to put it down. This is because the "other side" of the story, be it concerning Native Americans or the Gulf of Tonkin Incident in Vietnam, literally turns my stomach.

darkcrow

Keiran wrote:

It's amazing the actions people are able to justify in the name of God, king, democracy etc.
I'm reading Howard Zinn's book "Peoples History of the US" and I must admit more than once I have had to put it down. This is because the "other side" of the story, be it concerning Native Americans or the Gulf of Tonkin Incident in Vietnam, literally turns my stomach.

Zinn's textbook is rather good. I used it quite a bit for some essays I wrote at Uni.

boxwine_in_hell

The past is past. Anyone with half a brain knows genocide and they don't need an "official recognition". What's next are Italians of Roman descent going to officially recognize that they committed genocide on Etruscans?

darkcrow

boxwine_in_hell wrote:

The past is past. Anyone with half a brain knows genocide and they don't need an "official recognition". What's next are Italians of Roman descent going to officially recognize that they committed genocide on Etruscans?

i think it would mean a lot to native amerians living now that their government recognises what was done in the name of the USA was wrong, barbaric and simply genocide. recognition of ones faults and wrong-doings is never a waste of time.

boxwine_in_hell

darkcrow wrote:

i think it would mean a lot to native amerians living now that their government recognises what was done in the name of the USA was wrong, barbaric and simply genocide. recognition of ones faults and wrong-doings is never a waste of time.

If they want to do something for Native Americans, give them some of their land back.

darkcrow

boxwine_in_hell wrote:

If they want to do something for Native Americans, give them some of their land back.

just some? (ignore.. im just baiting )

even flow?

darkcrow wrote:

just some? (ignore.. im just baiting )

Since you are baiting. Just think of all the movement of people back to their homelands if that were to be the case. All those immigrants to Poland would have to go back to their home land to make space for me to go back to my supposed home. If you could even find the blood line that would link where my roots came from, then I guess maybe I could choose the country of my supposed origin since there are so many that make me up.

Hell the Muslims would feel shunned again having to exodus out of Europe!

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

The government doesnt apologize for these things because the way the law is written, it opens the door for reparations and a slew of other legal problems, which is stupid. There is a legal reason they never will officially reccognize this.

Also, Turkey is an illegal occupation of Byzantine lands, and the Celts want their lands in France and Spain back.

In other news i'm about to perform a genocide on this pizza.

NMyTree

darkcrow wrote:

Has the mass murder of native americans been recognised as genocide yet?

According to one genius here, it never happened. Apparently, there was no genocide:rolleyes:

boxwine_in_hell

darkcrow wrote:

just some? (ignore.. im just baiting )

Shit give it all back to them, I don't care. They can't fuck it up any worse than our government does.

redrock

even flow? wrote:

Hell the Muslims would feel shunned again having to exodus out of Europe!

**quick comment passing by**

Muslim is not a race, therefore no need to 'exodus' from Europe if they are from a European country (may even be Celts wanting their land back!).

**quickly exits thread**

tybird

NMyTree wrote:

According to one genius here, it never happened. Apparently, there was no genocide:rolleyes:

Semantics......define "genocide." Under the right definition, the actions carried out against the North Americans can be considered genocide or could not be considered genocide. It's like that clown trying to argue that whites are genetically more intelligent than Africans.....it's all about how one defines the term/word in question.

As to what happened to the North American natives, the U.S. would have to apologize, England would have to apologize, France would have to apologize, and Spain would have to apologize.

mr orion

After reading 'bury my heart at wounded knee' by Dee Brown I was brought to tears on how the native americans were treated.Evolutionarists might argue it's in the name of progress and Darwin actually stated that the genocide of indigenous cultures was evolution and that a more civilised race would replace them.What's so civilised about massacring tribe's of people?.
I'm also reading a book called 'Terre Nullius' by Sven Lindqvist which is about the genocide of the aboriginal people of Australia and is worth a read.
Indigenous cultures have been mis-treated around the world and it's inevitable that cultures will clash, but it's always a one sided agenda.If the american government had taken the positive aspects of native american culture and not destroyed their sacred land(black mountains etc) then we wouldn't be suffering from global warming. They were true environmentalists.

sourdough

Genocide is not necessarily evaluated on death counts, but the systematic elimination of a culture or cultural identity. I don't know the gruesome details of the US in particular, but in Canada if you look at the residential schools and what went on there or making cultural practices such as potlatches illegal etc.I think it is clear that there was a genocide.

Entire groups were targeted to be destroyed through intentional infection of germs and disease (some of the first biological weapons were infected blankets given as "gifts") and others more explicitly through raids and slaughter.

There were different experiences depending on different aboriginal groups so it may be difficult to make generalizations across the board, however residential schools were something that was in common throughout all.

kenny olav

darkcrow wrote:

Has the mass murder of native americans been recognised as genocide yet?

um... last I checked, Andrew Jackson was still on the $20 bill, so that's a pretty big NO.

rigneyclan

sourdough wrote:

Genocide is not necessarily evaluated on death counts, but the systematic elimination of a culture or cultural identity. I don't know the gruesome details of the US in particular, but in Canada if you look at the residential schools and what went on there or making cultural practices such as potlatches illegal etc.I think it is clear that there was a genocide.

Entire groups were targeted to be destroyed through intentional infection of germs and disease (some of the first biological weapons were infected blankets given as "gifts") and others more explicitly through raids and slaughter.

There were different experiences depending on different aboriginal groups so it may be difficult to make generalizations across the board, however residential schools were something that was in common throughout all.

exactly

Native Americans couldn't even practice their own religions freely without the possiblity of getting arrested until 1978. And even today, a Native American who commits a crime will get a sentence twice as severe than would someone who is white.

It's a fuckin shame.