and the voting fraud begins

darkcrow

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2006/11/election-fixing-charges-fly-in-utah.html

Election fixing charges fly in Utah county
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Voting appears to be very popular in Daggett County, Utah.

Daggett County has registered 947 voters for Tuesday's election. According to the most recent Census figures, that's four more than the county's population in 2005.

A spokesman for Attorney General Mark Shurtleff says complaints of vote-stuffing in the county are being investigated. Democrats suspect County Clerk Vickie McKee is letting outsiders swell the Daggett County registration rolls to give Republicans an advantage. The Democrats also say the father of a Republican deputy running for sheriff has 14 adults registered at his household. McKee hasn't responded to messages from The Associated Press.

polaris

like i said ... if countries like nicaragua need independant watchdogs, so does this country ...

the sooner people realize their beloved country isn't the beacon of justice and integrity, the sooner you can make it into one ...

darkcrow

not fraud but still an interesting vid http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/07/gop-rep-jean-schmidt-has_n_33501.html

it is funny that a developing nation like india, the worlds largest democracy, can make electronic voting work yet the usa, the richest country, cannot or indeed will not

My3rdEye

darkcrow wrote:

not fraud but still an interesting vid http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/07/gop-rep-jean-schmidt-has_n_33501.html

it is funny that a developing nation like india, the worlds largest democracy, can make electronic voting work yet the usa, the richest country, cannot or indeed will not

and india has somehow managed to control traffic without traffic lights as well...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2063667852598904740&q=Only+in+India&hl=en

LikeAnOcean

The penalty against voting fraud should be you loose your American citizenship and get exiled out of this country. Plain and simple. You don't want to partake in democracy? Goodbye!

darkcrow

My3rdEye wrote:

and india has somehow managed to control traffic without traffic lights as well...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2063667852598904740&q=Only+in+India&hl=en

see how advanced they are!

The Waiting Trophy Man

polaris wrote:

like i said ... if countries like nicaragua need independant watchdogs, so does this country ...

the sooner people realize their beloved country isn't the beacon of justice and integrity, the sooner you can make it into one ...

nicely put. the system is so flawed down there and there is so much corruption, i don't know why they even bother having elections. they might as well just pull names out of a hat.

jeffer96

LikeAnOcean wrote:

The penalty against voting fraud should be you loose your American citizenship and get exiled out of this country. Plain and simple. You don't want to partake in democracy? Goodbye!

I could not agree more. Electronic voting scares the hell out of me. Let's stick with the paper ballots. Then again, even those are counted electronically. Ugh.

darkcrow

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/07/sen-allens-campaign-con_n_33504.html

if this turns out to be true.....

adam42381

My3rdEye wrote:

and india has somehow managed to control traffic without traffic lights as well...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2063667852598904740&q=Only+in+India&hl=en

Wow, that was quite impressive. I would have a panic attack trying to manage the traffic over there.

flywallyfly

darkcrow wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/07/sen-allens-campaign-con_n_33504.html

if this turns out to be true.....

....nothing will be done. Never is. Lotta talk, no action. Allen is pitiful.

Boom The Cat

I love saying Daggett county, it just makes me wanna put on an Uncle Jessie accent


"Daggett County"

I love it!

hippiemom

jeffer96 wrote:

I could not agree more. Electronic voting scares the hell out of me. Let's stick with the paper ballets. Then again, even those are counted electronically. Ugh.

At least there are pieces of paper if a hand-count is needed. Some of the voting machines don't even have that. I voted absentee and dropped my ballot off at the board of elections for just that reason.

My husband voted this morning and it went smoothly. It was a touch-screen machine, but it did print the vote on a piece of paper that you have to review and hit "cast ballot" if it's correct, before your vote is counted, and the paper is stored in the machine.

Kind of funny that I voted absentee because I didn't trust the machines, and now the biggest problem here is that the Diebold scanners that count the absentee ballots were coming up with the wrong vote counts during tests all last weekend. Sometimes you just can't win.

rearviewmiror

Wouldnt surprise me if it was true. I hate Allen with a burning passion. People like him were the reson I left the state. Sadly I like John Warner, but Allen is a vile scumbag.

adam42381

According to the GOP, the exit polls are skewed in favor of Democrats.
http://gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6718

jeffer96

FYI - sites using electronic balloting also have paper ballots on hand. If you ask for a paper ballot, they have to give you one. Just remember one thing: if you use a paper ballot and you accidently mark the wrong oval, take the card back to the check in desk and ask for a new card. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do not try and scribble out your mistake and remark the correct one. I'm a registered Republican, but I do not care who you vote for, just as long as you vote. PLEASE DON'T HALF ASS OR THINK YOUR VOICE DOES NOT COUNT! Too many generations of soldiers have fought for our right to vote. Please do not let their sacrifices go to waste.

Shawn Smith Collective

darkcrow wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/07/sen-allens-campaign-con_n_33504.html

if this turns out to be true.....

If it turns out to be TRUE, then doesn't that mean that the voter is registered in New York, and as such, would be ILLEGALLY voting in the Virginia election? It just seems that in this particular case, the finger might be pointed in the wrong direction.

hippiemom

adam42381 wrote:

According to the GOP, the exit polls are skewed in favor of Democrats.
http://gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6718

Funny how they were always perfectly accurate before 2000.

adam42381

pjny wrote:

If it turns out to be TRUE, then doesn't that mean that the voter is registered in New York, and as such, would be ILLEGALLY voting in the Virginia election? It just seems that in this particular case, the finger might be pointed in the wrong direction.

Arlington, Virginia resident Tim Daly received a personalized phone call on his answering machine yesterday from an individual claiming to be from the "Virginia Elections Commission." The caller stated that "we've determined you are registered in New York to vote. Therefore, you will not be allowed to cast your vote on Tuesday." The caller then warned, "if you do show up, you will be charged criminally."

State elections in Virginia are supervised by the Virginia State Board of Elections (SBE) and there is no "Virginia Elections Commission." Democratic Party officials have reckoned that the GOP hopes to avoid being charged criminally by misidentifying the SBE, however, legal advisers to the Democratic Party have stated that it is a crime to impersonate a state official.

Daly, a wounded Vietnam veteran, has been registered to vote in Virginia since 1998 when he moved from New York. A volunteer with the Jim Webb headquarters in Arlington arranged for Daly to swear an affidavit on the voter intimidation incident to the general counsel for the Democratic Party of Virginia. The GOP has obviously gained access to records of voters who moved to Virginia since at least 1998 and are attempting to intimidate them by claiming they are still registered to vote in their previous states of residence.

Daly, a double Purple Heart recipient, is irked by the GOP voter suppression attempt. He says he will cast his vote tomorrow for a straight Democratic ticket, including voting for fellow Vietnam War veteran US Senate candidate Jim Webb.

There are reports of other similar attempts to suppress the vote in Virginia but Daly was the only one who received such a call to go public, file a sworn affidavit, and volunteer to appear in court as a witness.

jeffbr

hippiemom wrote:

My husband voted this morning and it went smoothly. It was a touch-screen machine, but it did print the vote on a piece of paper that you have to review and hit "cast ballot" if it's correct, before your vote is counted, and the paper is stored in the machine.

Most of the voting in my county is done with paper ballots. But there was 1 Diebold machine at my polling place, so I elected to use that to give it a try since I've always only had the paper option. It worked just like you described above. I marked my selections. After I was done, it went into review mode screen by screen showing my my selections. If there was a problem I could reject it and do that section again. If the page was right (and they all were) I hit the "Print" button to go to the next screen. It would print my votes on paper which I could see behind a translucent cover on the printer. At the end of the review and printing I hit the "Cast Ballot" button. So for my votes, I know that a paper trail exists, and I could see what was printed on the paper is how I actually voted.

seagoat2

polaris wrote:

like i said ... if countries like nicaragua need independant watchdogs, so does this country ...

the sooner people realize their beloved country isn't the beacon of justice and integrity, the sooner you can make it into one ...

As seen on a bumper sticker:
"It ain't over, til' your brother counts the votes"

rearviewmiror

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15603344?GT1=8717

It might be true.

Vedderlution_Baby

If these fucking peices of shit put as much energy into being a good person and a fucking worth while politician as they put into fucking cheating, america really would be the greatest country in the world.


But as of right fucking now, these motherfuckers are screwing us over.

gabers

polaris wrote:

like i said ... if countries like nicaragua need independant watchdogs, so does this country ...

the sooner people realize their beloved country isn't the beacon of justice and integrity, the sooner you can make it into one ...

Great post.

darkcrow

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/06/AR2006110601103_pf.html

darkcrow

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/07/white-house-caught-allege_n_33521.html

Puck78

mh, also the websites of the major italian newspapers report about problems going on with the electronic system and about the possibilities of frauds...

Shawn Smith Collective

adam42381 wrote:

Arlington, Virginia resident Tim Daly received a personalized phone call on his answering machine yesterday from an individual claiming to be from the "Virginia Elections Commission." The caller stated that "we've determined you are registered in New York to vote. Therefore, you will not be allowed to cast your vote on Tuesday." The caller then warned, "if you do show up, you will be charged criminally."

State elections in Virginia are supervised by the Virginia State Board of Elections (SBE) and there is no "Virginia Elections Commission." Democratic Party officials have reckoned that the GOP hopes to avoid being charged criminally by misidentifying the SBE, however, legal advisers to the Democratic Party have stated that it is a crime to impersonate a state official.

Daly, a wounded Vietnam veteran, has been registered to vote in Virginia since 1998 when he moved from New York. A volunteer with the Jim Webb headquarters in Arlington arranged for Daly to swear an affidavit on the voter intimidation incident to the general counsel for the Democratic Party of Virginia. The GOP has obviously gained access to records of voters who moved to Virginia since at least 1998 and are attempting to intimidate them by claiming they are still registered to vote in their previous states of residence.

Daly, a double Purple Heart recipient, is irked by the GOP voter suppression attempt. He says he will cast his vote tomorrow for a straight Democratic ticket, including voting for fellow Vietnam War veteran US Senate candidate Jim Webb.

There are reports of other similar attempts to suppress the vote in Virginia but Daly was the only one who received such a call to go public, file a sworn affidavit, and volunteer to appear in court as a witness.

Aaaahhh...I missed that part of it. Wow.

MakingWaves

There will always be some fraud no matter what, which is the sad truth. Also, the fraud will always be on both sides. They are all greedy bastards.